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Burwood said:
Don't be too fast to lump all politicians into the say heap. Abbott deserves this level of scrutiny. She has never said anything useful. It's always controversial . It is as though she enjoys stirring and getting that headline. Taunting the right with her views. She displays a complete lack of acumen when it comes to figures. Disdain for 'white people' and by her very appearance the woman lacks any self control and is a terrible liar. If all of that wasn't bad enough, her attitude is like 'so what, i will do and say whatever i like without fear of sanction.
I believe the most recent 'car crash' comments are a desperate attempt to lose votes. She doesn't want the job as HS. Too difficult. Sneering from the side lines is much better.
Not lumping them all in as such. But where a person is out of their depth, your local MP or your preferred party policy and any combinations in-between, where is the cross over for people. Around here it is still a hanging offence to think anything but Labour...... (well, cons are creeping up on my local MP).I believe the most recent 'car crash' comments are a desperate attempt to lose votes. She doesn't want the job as HS. Too difficult. Sneering from the side lines is much better.
This particular one is an enigma in that she keeps getting voted back in. 1985 till today. Last two general elections were the only ones with any real turnout and increased her majority. Maybe she is a good local MP.......
Only real reason I turn on any politics show now, is if she is on.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Are pensioners really the wealthiest section in society? .
Median incomes 5% higher in pensioner households after adjusting for housing costs.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance...
PurpleMoonlight said:
The personal allowance is not new, it was committed to in 2015.
But remains a policy they are committed to. Sorry the thread has been moving too fast, I am responding to a point made or raised about the use of nuclear weapons from several pages back.
The question is around the use of these weapons as part of a tactical capability in conventional warfare. The clue is right there in the word tactical. This country gave up the tactical nuclear weapons we had and now only have a single strategic system on the Vanguard class submarines.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-nucl...
Very big difference between the two broad categories, tactical weapons could conceivably be used as part of conventional warfare to take out major enemy installations etc. something which previous governments decided would be a wholly immoral use of WMD. Thus we are left with something which has no place in any kind of conventional warfare and only exists as threat to prevent a MAD scenario.
This does however place us in a difficult position because how can having strategic nuclear capability only be a credible deterrent to countries developing tactical or even sub-tactical in there effectiveness systems? Thus one can only conclude that our Trident system is not a deterrent at all to those countries (seems to be a plain fact given the rush to acquire WMD), and we are forced to rely on the threat of our conventional military capabilities, economic sanctions etc. to pressure those seeking WMD.
The question is around the use of these weapons as part of a tactical capability in conventional warfare. The clue is right there in the word tactical. This country gave up the tactical nuclear weapons we had and now only have a single strategic system on the Vanguard class submarines.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-nucl...
Very big difference between the two broad categories, tactical weapons could conceivably be used as part of conventional warfare to take out major enemy installations etc. something which previous governments decided would be a wholly immoral use of WMD. Thus we are left with something which has no place in any kind of conventional warfare and only exists as threat to prevent a MAD scenario.
This does however place us in a difficult position because how can having strategic nuclear capability only be a credible deterrent to countries developing tactical or even sub-tactical in there effectiveness systems? Thus one can only conclude that our Trident system is not a deterrent at all to those countries (seems to be a plain fact given the rush to acquire WMD), and we are forced to rely on the threat of our conventional military capabilities, economic sanctions etc. to pressure those seeking WMD.
zygalski said:
Evanivitch said:
Burwood said:
.... Abbott deserves this level of scrutiny. She has never said anything useful. ...She displays a complete lack of acumen when it comes to figures. Disdain for 'white people' and by her very appearance the woman lacks any self control and is a terrible liar. ...She doesn't want the job as HS. Too difficult. Sneering from the side lines is much better.
Wow. Someone has "Abbott" issues.Female.
Black.
Leftie.
'it's cos she's black innit'
JagLover said:
Median incomes 5% higher in pensioner households after adjusting for housing costs.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance...
Does that mean that pensioners have more disposable income than non pensioners because they have paid off their mortgage?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance...
Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Sunday 28th May 11:18
PurpleMoonlight said:
Moonhawk said:
Why - it needs to happen at some point whatever party get's in. At least the Conservatives have acknowledged there is a problem.
Oh it needs to happen all right, but it won't.Evanivitch said:
Claims MI5 has changed as an organisation, but she can draw on her experience of the Home office nearly 40 years ago.
Aye, anything she said more than five minutes ago is to be ignored, nothing to see here. Especially if it was in the 80's, involved the IRA or anything relating to terror. She's moved on, like her hair. But her experience as a junior in the home office in the 70's, when desks had ashtrays and no computers is fundamental to her role as wannabe home secretary?
She must think we're as thick as she is.
Moonhawk said:
Must be that - somebody cannot possible hold genuinely critical views on her based on her apparent incompetence and arguably racist attitudes can they.
'it's cos she's black innit'
She's appeared no more incompetent than Fallon in the last 48 hours, but no one on here is attacking his appearance on here or his association with Assad only 10 years ago...'it's cos she's black innit'
Evanivitch said:
Moonhawk said:
Must be that - somebody cannot possible hold genuinely critical views on her based on her apparent incompetence and arguably racist attitudes can they.
'it's cos she's black innit'
She's appeared no more incompetent than Fallon in the last 48 hours, but no one on here is attacking his appearance on here or his association with Assad only 10 years ago...'it's cos she's black innit'
Moonhawk said:
zygalski said:
Evanivitch said:
Burwood said:
.... Abbott deserves this level of scrutiny. She has never said anything useful. ...She displays a complete lack of acumen when it comes to figures. Disdain for 'white people' and by her very appearance the woman lacks any self control and is a terrible liar. ...She doesn't want the job as HS. Too difficult. Sneering from the side lines is much better.
Wow. Someone has "Abbott" issues.Female.
Black.
Leftie.
'it's cos she's black innit'
Evanivitch said:
Moonhawk said:
Must be that - somebody cannot possible hold genuinely critical views on her based on her apparent incompetence and arguably racist attitudes can they.
'it's cos she's black innit'
She's appeared no more incompetent than Fallon in the last 48 hours, but no one on here is attacking his appearance on here or his association with Assad only 10 years ago...'it's cos she's black innit'
Fallon was tricked with a comment that was De-contextualised.
It's your vote- do as you wish, just don't come on here, talk s
t and expect to go unchallenged 
Evanivitch said:
jmorgan said:
As much as I enjoy good foot in mouth politics, how many will actually listen to what she says and sway them to vote for the other side? Same for all politicians (of any party) that fudge it at the interview.
Quite significantly actually. I was swaying towards Labour, in all honesty as a tactical vote as I don't support current Tory policy. I have in the past voted Lib Dem.I'm not a big fan of Corbyn, but his more radical policies are tempered by his obedience to democracy within the party (i.e. trident and an industry I am associated with).
I have defended Abbott in the past because some of the comments directed at her on this site have been borderline racist/sexist. But I do feel she performed incredibly badly today and it makes me reconsider whether I could vote for Labour in good faith.
Burwood said:
What nonsense. Abbott is the car crash queen. Have you been absent these past few years? She can't add. She lies, racist comments. Supports dictators. Is a terrorist apologist.
Fallon was tricked with a comment that was De-contextualised.
It's your vote- do as you wish, just don't come on here, talk st and expect to go unchallenged
I expect to be challenged,I don't venture into political forums for an echo chamber.Fallon was tricked with a comment that was De-contextualised.
It's your vote- do as you wish, just don't come on here, talk s
t and expect to go unchallenged Fallon was tricked? Was he tricked when he celebrated a 97% Assad majority? What about his drunk driving conviction? Or how he could cut the Royal Marines, a force we need to protect the Falklands?
It's the focus on Dianne Abbott I find remarkable, and the personal attacks when in reality she's little worse than any other politician.
Evanivitch said:
Burwood said:
What nonsense. Abbott is the car crash queen. Have you been absent these past few years? She can't add. She lies, racist comments. Supports dictators. Is a terrorist apologist.
Fallon was tricked with a comment that was De-contextualised.
It's your vote- do as you wish, just don't come on here, talk st and expect to go unchallenged
I expect to be challenged,I don't venture into political forums for an echo chamber.Fallon was tricked with a comment that was De-contextualised.
It's your vote- do as you wish, just don't come on here, talk s
t and expect to go unchallenged Fallon was tricked? Was he tricked when he celebrated? a 97% Assad majority? What about his drunk driving conviction? Or how he could cut the Royal Marines, a force we need to protect the Falklands?
It's the focus on Dianne Abbott I find remarkable, and the personal attacks when in reality she's little worse than any other politician.
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