That AntiFa rioter that attacked people with a bike lock..
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El stovey said:
That’s not true at all.
Far left and far right (and there’s disgusting examples of both) are much the same.
The path either way from the 'Center' politics is not a line to the 'left' or 'right', it's a circular path that meets at the top of the circle where in both extreme left or right a controlling, brutal elite have everything.Far left and far right (and there’s disgusting examples of both) are much the same.
Countdown said:
The article and video describes the exact MO of how antifa works. They gather in big groups with face coverings and weapons. Then intentionally approach other groups to cause problems and instigate violence. Are vice going to do a article on them as a organised group instigating violence? The fact that the article is blaming the reporter or whatever he is because he was with or in anyway affiliated with this patriot prayer group. The article reads because of this it excuses the violent assault on him, its incredible. "Look he was seen talking to them so he deserves a brain hemorrhage".
Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Wednesday 28th August 22:35
jshell said:
El stovey said:
That’s not true at all.
Far left and far right (and there’s disgusting examples of both) are much the same.
The path either way from the 'Center' politics is not a line to the 'left' or 'right', it's a circular path that meets at the top of the circle where in both extreme left or right a controlling, brutal elite have everything.Far left and far right (and there’s disgusting examples of both) are much the same.
I.e. far right and left are closer together than the centre but you can’t really go from far left to right or the other way.
Not-The-Messiah said:
Countdown said:
The article and video describes the exact MO of how antifa works. They gather in big groups with face coverings and weapons. Then intentionally approach other groups to cause problems and instigate violence. Are vice going to do a article on them as a organised group instigating violence? The fact that the article is blaming the reporter or whatever he is because he was with or in anyway affiliated with this patriot prayer group. The article reads because of this it excuses the violent assault on him, its incredible. "Look he was seen talking to them so he deserves a brain hemorrhage".
Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Wednesday 28th August 22:35
I'm amazed that someone diagnosed with a brain haemorrhage was allowed to leave the hospital after only a few hours observation.
Not-The-Messiah said:
The fact that the article is blaming the reporter or whatever he is because he was with or in anyway affiliated with this patriot prayer group. The article reads because of this it excuses the violent assault on him, its incredible. "Look he was seen talking to them so he deserves a brain hemorrhage".
I see an article that says Ngo misrepresented the clash between Antifa and the right wing group, who he was seen associating prior to the incident.You see an article that says "he deserves a brain haemorrhage" as well as interpreting the article as blaming Ngo for his injuries.
To me you're doing some mental gymnastics to get to where you are. As you say, it's incredible.
_dobbo_ said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
The fact that the article is blaming the reporter or whatever he is because he was with or in anyway affiliated with this patriot prayer group. The article reads because of this it excuses the violent assault on him, its incredible. "Look he was seen talking to them so he deserves a brain hemorrhage".
I see an article that says Ngo misrepresented the clash between Antifa and the right wing group, who he was seen associating prior to the incident.You see an article that says "he deserves a brain haemorrhage" as well as interpreting the article as blaming Ngo for his injuries.
To me you're doing some mental gymnastics to get to where you are. As you say, it's incredible.
Let me go and see...
The Proud Boys were brought to my attention by a Times article about Fred Perry having to distance the brand from the group.
Not sure I want to take them seriously let alone defend them but having been started as a joke an anti-Antifa group, refusing to apologise for being born Western males, you do have to wonder whether they make a better point than a violent Antifa group.
Not sure I want to take them seriously let alone defend them but having been started as a joke an anti-Antifa group, refusing to apologise for being born Western males, you do have to wonder whether they make a better point than a violent Antifa group.
I'm not sure if I would consider them a "joke" to be honest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
R Mutt said:
Not sure I want to take them seriously let alone defend them but having been started as a joke an anti-Antifa group, refusing to apologise for being born Western males, you do have to wonder whether they make a better point than a violent Antifa group.
If you think the proud boys are a non violent joke group who are defined by their refusal to apologise for being white males then you're not paying enough attention.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
If you read this and still think they are making a better point than antifa then, well, f
k.Edit: beaten to it by Countdown!
I mean in the sense that they're not undermining themselves with the violence, but it's still 2 groups of idiots fighting.
If I were to turn up at a pro-Corbyn rally, not to stand up against Corbyn but as a self fulfilling stance against those who were there to fight anti-Corbyn groups. Or were I there simply to oppose his supporters, what sort of twisted mindset would that be?
If I were to turn up at a pro-Corbyn rally, not to stand up against Corbyn but as a self fulfilling stance against those who were there to fight anti-Corbyn groups. Or were I there simply to oppose his supporters, what sort of twisted mindset would that be?
Countdown said:
You mean like the one where Tommy Robinson is filming two supposed "Antifa" encouraging them to hit him?
Incidentally is anybody who opposes fascism "Antifa"?
No. That's where they corrupt a noble goal and hide under its auspices.Incidentally is anybody who opposes fascism "Antifa"?
It's a shame I can't oppose these anarchists etc without then being cast by default to the right of the spectrum.
There is a map showing all proud boys incidents
https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?web...
...the antifascist movement has grown in recent years, coinciding with the rise of Trump and the spread of far-right populism across the globe. Antifascists have also become more visible as white supremacists and other far-right extremists have increased their activity and started organizing more public events, prompting antifascists to meet them wherever they show up.
Still, most of what antifascists do is behind the scenes. They make headlines when they confront white supremacists in the street, but few hear about their quieter activities, including research, monitoring, and surveillance of far-right extremist groups, community organizing, and advocating for historically marginalized populations.
Quiet a good article by Caroline Orr
https://arcdigital.media/in-defense-of-antifa-62c6...
https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?web...
...the antifascist movement has grown in recent years, coinciding with the rise of Trump and the spread of far-right populism across the globe. Antifascists have also become more visible as white supremacists and other far-right extremists have increased their activity and started organizing more public events, prompting antifascists to meet them wherever they show up.
Still, most of what antifascists do is behind the scenes. They make headlines when they confront white supremacists in the street, but few hear about their quieter activities, including research, monitoring, and surveillance of far-right extremist groups, community organizing, and advocating for historically marginalized populations.
Quiet a good article by Caroline Orr
https://arcdigital.media/in-defense-of-antifa-62c6...
Byker28i said:
There is a map showing all proud boys incidents
https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?web...
...the antifascist movement has grown in recent years, coinciding with the rise of Trump and the spread of far-right populism across the globe. Antifascists have also become more visible as white supremacists and other far-right extremists have increased their activity and started organizing more public events, prompting antifascists to meet them wherever they show up.
Still, most of what antifascists do is behind the scenes. They make headlines when they confront white supremacists in the street, but few hear about their quieter activities, including research, monitoring, and surveillance of far-right extremist groups, community organizing, and advocating for historically marginalized populations.
Quiet a good article by Caroline Orr
https://arcdigital.media/in-defense-of-antifa-62c6...
One of Tommy Robinson's first acts of protest was against Islamist groups protesting at the return of troops from Afghanistan. I'm not sure why being racist undermines that any more than being violent anarchists might undermine Antifa unless you support that sort of thing and I'm not sure why all the ideologies are inseparable.https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?web...
...the antifascist movement has grown in recent years, coinciding with the rise of Trump and the spread of far-right populism across the globe. Antifascists have also become more visible as white supremacists and other far-right extremists have increased their activity and started organizing more public events, prompting antifascists to meet them wherever they show up.
Still, most of what antifascists do is behind the scenes. They make headlines when they confront white supremacists in the street, but few hear about their quieter activities, including research, monitoring, and surveillance of far-right extremist groups, community organizing, and advocating for historically marginalized populations.
Quiet a good article by Caroline Orr
https://arcdigital.media/in-defense-of-antifa-62c6...
Countdown said:
Noodle1982 said:
Don't doubt it.
There's a million and one videos out there of Antifa being the instigators.
You mean like the one where Tommy Robinson is filming two supposed "Antifa" encouraging them to hit him?There's a million and one videos out there of Antifa being the instigators.
Incidentally is anybody who opposes fascism "Antifa"?
I mean in the situations between Antifa and the Proud Boys.
R Mutt said:
One of Tommy Robinson's first acts of protest was against Islamist groups protesting at the return of troops from Afghanistan. I'm not sure why being racist undermines that any more than being violent anarchists might undermine Antifa unless you support that sort of thing and I'm not sure why all the ideologies are inseparable.
Because it suggests that his motivation for doing so was because he's a racist rather than any noble desire to stand up for British soldiers. Much the same reason why questions are asked about his protests about asian grooming gangs when he's strangely silent about paedophiles within his own support group.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff