That AntiFa rioter that attacked people with a bike lock..

[R Mutt]

Countdown said:

R Mutt said:

One of Tommy Robinson's first acts of protest was against Islamist groups protesting at the return of troops from Afghanistan. I'm not sure why being racist undermines that any more than being violent anarchists might undermine Antifa unless you support that sort of thing and I'm not sure why all the ideologies are inseparable.

Because it suggests that his motivation for doing so was because he's a racist rather than any noble desire to stand up for British soldiers. Much the same reason why questions are asked about his protests about asian grooming gangs when he's strangely silent about paedophiles within his own support group.

Works equally well the other way with those quick to brand Saville a Tory conspiracy. Is that not politically motivated if they have nothing to say about Rotherham or is that different?

Edited by R Mutt on Tuesday 3rd September 11:10

[rscott]

Noodle1982 said:

Countdown said:

Noodle1982 said:

Don't doubt it.

There's a million and one videos out there of Antifa being the instigators.

You mean like the one where Tommy Robinson is filming two supposed "Antifa" encouraging them to hit him?

Incidentally is anybody who opposes fascism "Antifa"?

No.

I mean in the situations between Antifa and the Proud Boys.

Plenty of evidence of far right groups planning violent attacks too - https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2019/08/2... .

[Noodle1982]

rscott said:

Plenty of evidence of far right groups planning violent attacks too - https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2019/08/2... .

Ahhh the Cider Riot fiasco.

Watch the full coverage and tell me who threw the first punch. I'll give you a clue, they were dressed in black with their faces covered.

[rscott]

Noodle1982 said:

rscott said:

Plenty of evidence of far right groups planning violent attacks too - https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2019/08/2... .

Ahhh the Cider Riot fiasco.

Watch the full coverage and tell me who threw the first punch. I'll give you a clue, they were dressed in black with their faces covered.

Yep, the pre-planned attack by Patriot Prayer, you mean. The one where they were caught on camera planning their attack and are now being sued by Cider Riot because of it?

[Noodle1982]

rscott said:

Yep, the pre-planned attack by Patriot Prayer, you mean. The one where they were caught on camera planning their attack and are now being sued by Cider Riot because of it?

Cider Riot is run by Antifa sympathising hipsters. Of course they are going to attempt to sue someone from patriot prayer (even though my last few posts were about the proud boys and not patriot prayer.).

Antifa were the violent ones. Patriot prayer retaliated.

My point proven.

[_dobbo_]

Noodle1982 said:

My point proven.

You're winning all over this thread with your well researched carefully analysed "I watched it on youtube" approach. well done.

[Noodle1982]

_dobbo_ said:

Noodle1982 said:

My point proven.

You're winning all over this thread with your well researched carefully analysed "I watched it on youtube" approach. well done.

Thanks, mate.

[Countdown]

Noodle1982 said:

Cider Riot is run by Antifa sympathising hipsters. Of course they are going to attempt to sue someone from patriot prayer (even though my last few posts were about the proud boys and not patriot prayer.).

Antifa were the violent ones. Patriot prayer retaliated.

My point proven.

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2019/08/22/27017873/new-evidence-shows-joey-gibsons-role-in-planning-may-day-attack-at-cider-riot

I think 6 people fro Patriot Prayer have been charged with criminal offences. There's video evidence of them planning the attack but yes, your point is proven, Cider Riot aka Antifa were the violent ones.

I'm sure there will be evidence of Antifa violently headbutting various fists and metal bars...

[Spanna]

_dobbo_ said:

Noodle1982 said:

My point proven.

You're winning all over this thread with your well researched carefully analysed "I watched it on youtube" approach. well done.

Other than watching the footage and then watching and reading some analysis from left and right media, how else would you ‘research’ it?

Proud Boys began with Gavin McInnes who started the group as a reaction to Antifa protesting and it did at times get violent. They have in the 4-5 years since then been co-opted by angry white dudes who want a fight and the original lot stepped away. No doubt the Proud Boys as of now have some white supremacists within. Also no doubt Antifa has instigated and been violent towards innocent people too.

The far left and far right are fuelling each other. The left wing and right wing media and activists go quiet on ‘their side’s’ (if you can call it that) transgressions and ramp up the rhetoric or spin the story to suit themselves or their ideology.

Meanwhile, actual white supremacist Richard Spencer can appear on CNN and go about his business behind the scenes, using the whole Antifa v Proud Boys as cover. And Antifa can go on wearing masks in huge crowds and bouncing things off people’s heads.

There will be some guns turn up at some of these protests soon and st will really hit the fan. And I don’t blame either ‘side’ as such, it’s inevitable as it’s just getting fuelled that way.

[_dobbo_]

Spanna said:

Other than watching the footage and then watching and reading some analysis from left and right media, how else would you ‘research’ it?

I'd start by reading the well researched wikipedia article just a few posts back.

When the starting point is "Proud Boys are peaceful" and you follow it with "videos on youtube prove it" then I've not got much time for that. Noodles "he started it miss" defence is risible. They're there to fight, plain and simple.

To join the group, you have to start a fight. But apparently millions of videos on the internet prove they never have because they are peaceful.

The reality is Proud boys and antifa are both basically thugs looking for a fight. And thugs looking for a fight usually get one.

[southendpier]

Countdown said:

Noodle1982 said:

Cider Riot is run by Antifa sympathising hipsters. Of course they are going to attempt to sue someone from patriot prayer (even though my last few posts were about the proud boys and not patriot prayer.).

Antifa were the violent ones. Patriot prayer retaliated.

My point proven.

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2019/08/22/27017873/new-evidence-shows-joey-gibsons-role-in-planning-may-day-attack-at-cider-riot

I think 6 people fro Patriot Prayer have been charged with criminal offences. There's video evidence of them planning the attack but yes, your point is proven, Cider Riot aka Antifa were the violent ones.



I'm sure there will be evidence of Antifa violently headbutting various fists and metal bars...

Portland Antifa? lovely bunch. Appear to not like being filmed, while at at illegal protest to abolish ICE - by Andy Ngo - who was attacked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb4KREvKYBA

[Spanna]

_dobbo_ said:

Spanna said:

Other than watching the footage and then watching and reading some analysis from left and right media, how else would you ‘research’ it?

I'd start by reading the well researched wikipedia article just a few posts back.

When the starting point is "Proud Boys are peaceful" and you follow it with "videos on youtube prove it" then I've not got much time for that. Noodles "he started it miss" defence is risible. They're there to fight, plain and simple.

To join the group, you have to start a fight. But apparently millions of videos on the internet prove they never have because they are peaceful.

The reality is Proud boys and antifa are both basically thugs looking for a fight. And thugs looking for a fight usually get one.

A lot of labels and ‘according to’ on the Wiki. SPLC for example lost a multi million lawsuit to Majid Nawaz after branding him a right wing extremist. They’re supposed to be a factual non-profit but have exhibited tons of partisan views.

Proud Boys started in or before 2015 not 2016, so that’s inaccurate. McInnes appeared on Joe Rogan in 2015 and was talking about its beginnings back then.

I wasn’t referencing anything Noodle may have got right or wrong, I haven’t read any of his posts.

[Noodle1982]

What was Andy Ngo guilty of when Antifa decided to attack him?

[rscott]

southendpier said:

Countdown said:

Noodle1982 said:

Cider Riot is run by Antifa sympathising hipsters. Of course they are going to attempt to sue someone from patriot prayer (even though my last few posts were about the proud boys and not patriot prayer.).

Antifa were the violent ones. Patriot prayer retaliated.

My point proven.

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2019/08/22/27017873/new-evidence-shows-joey-gibsons-role-in-planning-may-day-attack-at-cider-riot

I think 6 people fro Patriot Prayer have been charged with criminal offences. There's video evidence of them planning the attack but yes, your point is proven, Cider Riot aka Antifa were the violent ones.



I'm sure there will be evidence of Antifa violently headbutting various fists and metal bars...

Portland Antifa? lovely bunch. Appear to not like being filmed, while at at illegal protest to abolish ICE - by Andy Ngo - who was attacked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb4KREvKYBA

You're using Andy Ngo as a neutral source? The guy filmed hanging around with various far right groups, laughing and encouraging their attacks?
The guy who falsely claimed antifa had taken a hammer to the Portland protests? And had to admit he'd lied when the unedited version of the video he published appeared, showing the right wingers using the hammer first.

I'm not defending the violent actions of antifa at all - but to accuse them of being the only ones up for a fight is laughable.
Some of the far right groups are at least, if not more, prone to starting trouble.

[Noodle1982]

A list of Antifa members, over 35 of them, arrested in Boston over the weekend for battery of officers and assault with dangerous weapons to name but a few offences.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/116854...

[Byker28i]

again with Ngo as a source...?

[rscott]

Noodle1982 said:

A list of Antifa members, over 35 of them, arrested in Boston over the weekend for battery of officers and assault with dangerous weapons to name but a few offences.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/116854...

How do you know they're all Antifa? Most reports just list them as arrested during the match and counter protest - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/...

[Byker28i]

Andy Ngo, who falsely claimed milkshakes had quick dry cement in them, who had a video showing Ngo pal around with the Proud Boys-adjacent group Patriot Prayer.


The Portland Mercury reports that Patriot Prayer members targeted antifa while they were celebrating a day of peaceful May Day celebrations. The lawsuit brought by the bar owners alleges that Patriot Prayer leader Joey Gibson and six others trespassed onto the property with the aim of engaging in violence.

The video of Ngo laughing as the group plans their attack, wrote Portland Mercury news editor Alex Zielinski, “is the clearest evidence I’ve seen supporting the claim that [Patriot Prayer] & leader Joy Gibson were intent on instigating a fight that afternoon.”
https://www.salon.com/2019/08/28/right-wing-journa...

The legal team representing local cider bar Cider Riot in a lawsuit against far-right group Patriot Prayer has filed a new motion containing potentially damning evidence.
The lawsuit came after members of Patriot Prayer—including leader Joey Gibson—instigated a brawl with Cider Riot patrons on the sidewalk and street outside of the NE Couch business on May 1.

https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2019/08/2...

[southendpier]

Byker28i said:

again with Ngo as a source...?

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/09/02/boston-pol...

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/09/03/call-uglin...

[_dobbo_]

Spanna said:

I wasn’t referencing anything Noodle may have got right or wrong, I haven’t read any of his posts.

Well, you were directly quoting and continuing a comment chain with Noodle and myself in it, so excuse me for thinking that's exactly what you were referencing.

Deleted the rest as it was needlessly combative and clearly wasn't what you were saying - apologies if you read before I deleted.