2017 Election Result - a PH poll
Poll: 2017 Election Result - a PH poll
Total Members Polled: 395
Discussion
Oilchange said:
more reading between the lines I think
No, I pay an absolute shed load on tax. Way way into the 40% threshold. But i'm not shortsighted and selfish. I fully understand that for every one of me there are 10 people earning minimum wage without the benefits I have and disposable income I have.If I live in a society with low tax for my group, with low/no benefits for the needy, no council housing, no NHS, then I will live in a society with huge poverty, increased crime and intolerance.
therefore I am quite happy to pay tax,( though annoyed when other in the same grouping and higher do not)
And so the issues I care about are NHS & Education
Efbe said:
No, I pay an absolute shed load on tax. Way way into the 40% threshold. But i'm not shortsighted and selfish. I fully understand that for every one of me there are 10 people earning minimum wage without the benefits I have and disposable income I have.
If I live in a society with low tax for my group, with low/no benefits for the needy, no council housing, no NHS, then I will live in a society with huge poverty, increased crime and intolerance.
therefore I am quite happy to pay tax,( though annoyed when other in the same grouping and higher do not)
And so the issues I care about are NHS & Education
Thanks for the clarification, that makes sense.If I live in a society with low tax for my group, with low/no benefits for the needy, no council housing, no NHS, then I will live in a society with huge poverty, increased crime and intolerance.
therefore I am quite happy to pay tax,( though annoyed when other in the same grouping and higher do not)
And so the issues I care about are NHS & Education
However, in order to maximise tax revenue, some care is needed to ensure that higher taxes (regardless of whether they are set with the best of intentions) do not have adverse effects. And that's why I am concerned about taxation as well as the NHS and Education etc!
sidicks said:
Thanks for the clarification, that makes sense.
However, in order to maximise tax revenue, some care is needed to ensure that higher taxes (regardless of whether they are set with the best of intentions) do not have adverse effects. And that's why I am concerned about taxation as well as the NHS and Education etc!
haha, yes I do get that.However, in order to maximise tax revenue, some care is needed to ensure that higher taxes (regardless of whether they are set with the best of intentions) do not have adverse effects. And that's why I am concerned about taxation as well as the NHS and Education etc!
Personally my view is there should be way more clampdown on contractors earning through a business to pay a low rate of tax, multinational corporations paying very little, rather than an increase on the max rate of tax, or a decrease in the threshold for this.
Efbe said:
haha, yes I do get that.
Personally my view is there should be way more clampdown on contractors earning through a business to pay a low rate of tax, multinational corporations paying very little, rather than an increase on the max rate of tax, or a decrease in the threshold for this.
Is that because you are neither a contractor nor a multinational corporation? Personally my view is there should be way more clampdown on contractors earning through a business to pay a low rate of tax, multinational corporations paying very little, rather than an increase on the max rate of tax, or a decrease in the threshold for this.
Murph7355 said:
Is that because you are neither a contractor nor a multinational corporation?
haha, why yes of course!Perhaps do not like that contractors are able to get away with 10% tax (probably an exxageration from google search) and many of the biggest multinational companies pay 0%.
Efbe said:
haha, yes I do get that.
Personally my view is there should be way more clampdown on contractors earning through a business to pay a low rate of tax, multinational corporations paying very little, rather than an increase on the max rate of tax, or a decrease in the threshold for this.
Firstly there's a avoidance/evasion issue, many operate within the law - so not a clampdown on them but a change in the system. Secondly, Corbyn et al's assumption is that if you change the system the entities will not change and you can increase revenue. This isn't the case; a proportion of them will either find other ways or leave - those operating within the system at any rate. You can't assume a static situation.Personally my view is there should be way more clampdown on contractors earning through a business to pay a low rate of tax, multinational corporations paying very little, rather than an increase on the max rate of tax, or a decrease in the threshold for this.
I agree in principal to revising the system to capture more fairly (ie from a common-sense point of view) but perversely if you lower tax you may gain more as more corporations are attracted to be here and contractors may feel less need to jump through hoops to get out of paying a more reasonable amount.
It would be interesting to see what a low tax regime (flat, reasonable / lower than the competition) could generate, apart from headlines of outrage of course.
Hackney said:
Some of that UK>EU trade is made up of non EU companies (Nissan, Toyota to name a couple) who "manufacture" in the UK as a way into the EU. Nissan's backhanders aside how will this continue?
Same way they managed to work around us not joining the Euro in 2002? ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/2835573/Nissan-... ) I suspect they would have already move it to France [or elsewhere] if their domestic plants weren't so inefficient!andy_s said:
Firstly there's a avoidance/evasion issue, many operate within the law - so not a clampdown on them but a change in the system. Secondly, Corbyn et al's assumption is that if you change the system the entities will not change and you can increase revenue. This isn't the case; a proportion of them will either find other ways or leave - those operating within the system at any rate. You can't assume a static situation.
I agree in principal to revising the system to capture more fairly (ie from a common-sense point of view) but perversely if you lower tax you may gain more as more corporations are attracted to be here and contractors may feel less need to jump through hoops to get out of paying a more reasonable amount.
It would be interesting to see what a low tax regime (flat, reasonable / lower than the competition) could generate, apart from headlines of outrage of course.
The clampdown I am referring to, is the period for which you can work as a contractor for a company for. But there also needs to be a change in the law here to make it more fair. I just don't see why you should be able to do this.I agree in principal to revising the system to capture more fairly (ie from a common-sense point of view) but perversely if you lower tax you may gain more as more corporations are attracted to be here and contractors may feel less need to jump through hoops to get out of paying a more reasonable amount.
It would be interesting to see what a low tax regime (flat, reasonable / lower than the competition) could generate, apart from headlines of outrage of course.
I think the vast majority of people doing this will work within whatever framework they can, they wil not leave. In my company, a very large financial one, there are contractors that have been here for over 15 years in the same role. All on day rates, which is fair enough, but paying amazingly low tax rates due to being paid through an Ltd.
Multinational tax is a different one that does not really need explanation
Tory is the only sensible option if you have even a passing interest in politics. Unfortunately this is not a prerequisite of being able to vote.
As a 28 year old I'm positively concerned how the majority of my peers seem to be praising lefty Corbyn outright bullsh*t on social media. The younger generation seem to be the big hope for labour, but I am not sold on their policies at all, despite the brain washing which seems to have worked on my friends.
Example post seen this evening :
'should you vote Tory'
'Are you a c*nt? '
Y/N
'Are you a rich c*nt?'
Y/N
Intelligent argument to put forward. Quite how anyone can be so naive as to think we'll all suddenly be much better off financially under a labour government is frankly frightening. In order for those on the lowest incomes the rest of us will have to pay more in. Money doesn't stretch, even those fancy new plastic fivers won't. Take all the money off the high earners, increase public holidays and greater benefits for all! Even Johnny foreigner. Nutters.
As a 28 year old I'm positively concerned how the majority of my peers seem to be praising lefty Corbyn outright bullsh*t on social media. The younger generation seem to be the big hope for labour, but I am not sold on their policies at all, despite the brain washing which seems to have worked on my friends.
Example post seen this evening :
'should you vote Tory'
'Are you a c*nt? '
Y/N
'Are you a rich c*nt?'
Y/N
Intelligent argument to put forward. Quite how anyone can be so naive as to think we'll all suddenly be much better off financially under a labour government is frankly frightening. In order for those on the lowest incomes the rest of us will have to pay more in. Money doesn't stretch, even those fancy new plastic fivers won't. Take all the money off the high earners, increase public holidays and greater benefits for all! Even Johnny foreigner. Nutters.
You might want to rerun this poll ///ajd.
It's clearly not going the way you would of liked, so rerunning it would be the sensible solution.
I'd suggest giving the poll some upper/lower limits of percentages for each of the categories that you would find acceptable, it would avoid the need for further reruns.
It's clearly not going the way you would of liked, so rerunning it would be the sensible solution.
I'd suggest giving the poll some upper/lower limits of percentages for each of the categories that you would find acceptable, it would avoid the need for further reruns.
don'tbesilly said:
You might want to rerun this poll ///ajd.
It's clearly not going the way you would of liked, so rerunning it would be the sensible solution.
I'd suggest giving the poll some upper/lower limits of percentages for each of the categories that you would find acceptable, it would avoid the need for further reruns.
12% LD on PH is crazy high.It's clearly not going the way you would of liked, so rerunning it would be the sensible solution.
I'd suggest giving the poll some upper/lower limits of percentages for each of the categories that you would find acceptable, it would avoid the need for further reruns.
don'tbesilly said:
You might want to rerun this poll ///ajd.
It's clearly not going the way you would of liked, so rerunning it would be the sensible solution.
I'd suggest giving the poll some upper/lower limits of percentages for each of the categories that you would find acceptable, it would avoid the need for further reruns.
It's clearly not going the way you would of liked, so rerunning it would be the sensible solution.
I'd suggest giving the poll some upper/lower limits of percentages for each of the categories that you would find acceptable, it would avoid the need for further reruns.
sidicks said:
don'tbesilly said:
You might want to rerun this poll ///ajd.
It's clearly not going the way you would of liked, so rerunning it would be the sensible solution.
I'd suggest giving the poll some upper/lower limits of percentages for each of the categories that you would find acceptable, it would avoid the need for further reruns.
It's clearly not going the way you would of liked, so rerunning it would be the sensible solution.
I'd suggest giving the poll some upper/lower limits of percentages for each of the categories that you would find acceptable, it would avoid the need for further reruns.
Slightly offended that he felt the need to create an identical poll to one already created
They even give broadly the same result
| Party | BC Poll | ///AJD Poll |
| Conservative | 73 | 77 |
| Lib Dem | 10 | 12 |
| Labour | 3 | 6 |
| SNP | 1 | Not Included |
| MRL | 4 | Not Included |
| Greens | 0 | Not Included |
| Coallition | 3 | Not Included |
| UKIP | 5 | 3 |
| NOTA | Not Included | 2 |
It is an easy Tory vote for me. I was on the fence brexit wise due to the nonsense from both campaigns, the post vote armageddon never happened and I knew full well the NHS wasnt getting 350 Mil a week.
I am still somewhat skeptical about the approach taken by TM & Co and "hard Brexit" purely because on the face of it it looks like an All-in poker move and it has the chance of failing spectacularly. I do hope the country is strong enough to stand on its own two feet and prosper and we still have a close relationship with the EU so I would like to believe TM as she is saying the right things.
Away from brexit they are taking an awful hammering on cuts to public services, but there wasnt any other real alternative to tackling the defecit and in hindsight was the best way forward with brexit looming.
What has annoyed me more, and made a Tory vote a no brainer is the lack of any credible oposition.
The brexit vote was like a bomb going off in labour Hq, and now they are frantically trying to align themselves with the electorate again but making a complete shambles of it. All I hear from Corbyn is utter nonsense and attacks on Tory policy rather than any solid policies of their own. Most of their MP's are just down right imbeciles too.
As for the lib dems, bring back clegg is all I can say, Tim Farron is an idiot. a thoroughbred weapons grade plonker of a human.
And the greens, who are a waste of server space even typing their name.
I am still somewhat skeptical about the approach taken by TM & Co and "hard Brexit" purely because on the face of it it looks like an All-in poker move and it has the chance of failing spectacularly. I do hope the country is strong enough to stand on its own two feet and prosper and we still have a close relationship with the EU so I would like to believe TM as she is saying the right things.
Away from brexit they are taking an awful hammering on cuts to public services, but there wasnt any other real alternative to tackling the defecit and in hindsight was the best way forward with brexit looming.
What has annoyed me more, and made a Tory vote a no brainer is the lack of any credible oposition.
The brexit vote was like a bomb going off in labour Hq, and now they are frantically trying to align themselves with the electorate again but making a complete shambles of it. All I hear from Corbyn is utter nonsense and attacks on Tory policy rather than any solid policies of their own. Most of their MP's are just down right imbeciles too.
As for the lib dems, bring back clegg is all I can say, Tim Farron is an idiot. a thoroughbred weapons grade plonker of a human.
And the greens, who are a waste of server space even typing their name.
B'stard Child said:
Not a bad idea
Slightly offended that he felt the need to create an identical poll to one already created
They even give broadly the same result
No need to be offended, I only intended to bring out some voting intentions such as "lib dem as protest" and "tories as they are most competent" which yours didn't. The interesting thing for me was that in my poll the lib dem vote was 66% protest. Thats quite a big jump.Slightly offended that he felt the need to create an identical poll to one already created
They even give broadly the same result
| Party | BC Poll | ///AJD Poll |
| Conservative | 73 | 77 |
| Lib Dem | 10 | 12 |
| Labour | 3 | 6 |
| SNP | 1 | Not Included |
| MRL | 4 | Not Included |
| Greens | 0 | Not Included |
| Coallition | 3 | Not Included |
| UKIP | 5 | 3 |
| NOTA | Not Included | 2 |
I think competence / confidence is a key factor in elections which doesn't get discussed that much really, and it will really hurt the lib dems. Clegg would be much better.
You also spiked your poll a bit by asking "who do you think will win" rather than "who will you vote for". Technically the answer to your poll question should be 99% tory. I'm not sure the 5% in your poll really think UKIP will win with Nuttal as PM, so its a bit unclear in yours who was really clicking for what. Better to ask who will vote for what and then work out the result.
I meant your oroginal post. Maybe I wasn't clear...
If I live in a society with low tax for my group, with low/no benefits for the needy, no council housing, no NHS, then I will live in a society with huge poverty, increased crime and intolerance.
therefore I am quite happy to pay tax,( though annoyed when other in the same grouping and higher do not)
And so the issues I care about are NHS & Education
Efbe said:
Oilchange said:
more reading between the lines I think
No, I pay an absolute shed load on tax. Way way into the 40% threshold. But i'm not shortsighted and selfish. I fully understand that for every one of me there are 10 people earning minimum wage without the benefits I have and disposable income I have.If I live in a society with low tax for my group, with low/no benefits for the needy, no council housing, no NHS, then I will live in a society with huge poverty, increased crime and intolerance.
therefore I am quite happy to pay tax,( though annoyed when other in the same grouping and higher do not)
And so the issues I care about are NHS & Education
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