Social Justice Syndrome: ‘Rising Tide of Personality Disorde
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anonymous said:
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I partially agree. Housing and pensions are brutal for them certainly but in terms of employment you have to be kidding me; the employment opportunities both in the UK and globally are incredible for anyone prepared to get off their a55, take a risk, learn a new skill or get a worthwhile degree in the first place. Full employment last century meant getting black lung or going hungry. Blaming the parents is a cop out; they didn't screw anyone over deliberately they just got lucky by having the same pensions as their parents but then having the temerity to actually reach retirement age. Millenials will inherit all the wealth they moan about, most likely live long healthy lives and have next generation viagra. Sitting in starbucks on a macbook pro complaining about your opportunities when your great grandmother was learning to type and your great grandfathers safe space was a trench knee deep in blood and feces is whining in my book.
esxste said:
Rovinghawk said:
Nobody created a job for me to take- I made my own career.
They could always do the same for themselves rather than expecting others to do it for them.
Of course you did. I'm sure it was a hard battle the whole way, and nothing at all was ever in your favour. They could always do the same for themselves rather than expecting others to do it for them.
Or we can look objectively at the various statistics that show wealth distribution has over the years skewered towards the upper end of the age spectrum. The term "bank of mum and dad" is indicative of this. The older generations generate more wealth (mostly through property price rises & buy to let, but also the fact less of them are dying and are retiring later)
The millennials are the generation that were told to go to university, rack up student loans, in the promise of fantastic jobs. Now they've come out of university, the promised jobs ended up being mostly zero-hour, minimum wage service jobs. Even those who've made a success of themselves struggled to earn enough to reach the first rung of the housing ladder. This is proven by the average age of first time buyers increasing.
esxste said:
Of course you did. I'm sure it was a hard battle the whole way, and nothing at all was ever in your favour.
For example:My first house was bought at age 30, the dinner table being an old picnic table that had been left in the garden. We slept on just a mattress until I could afford a bed. No, it wasn't all sunshine & lollipops.
Edited by Rovinghawk on Monday 24th April 16:30
Rovinghawk said:
For example:
My first house was bought at age 30, the dinner table being an old picnic table that had been left in the garden. We slept on just a mattress until I could afford a bed. No, it wasn't all sunshine & lollipops.
Luxury. We dreamed of a picnic table. My first house was bought at age 30, the dinner table being an old picnic table that had been left in the garden. We slept on just a mattress until I could afford a bed. No, it wasn't all sunshine & lollipops.
Edited by Rovinghawk on Monday 24th April 16:30
esxste said:
The millennials are the generation that were told to go to university, rack up student loans, in the promise of fantastic jobs. Now they've come out of university, the promised jobs ended up being mostly zero-hour, minimum wage service jobs. Even those who've made a success of themselves struggled to earn enough to reach the first rung of the housing ladder. This is proven by the average age of first time buyers increasing.
Maybe if they'd been a little less stupid and done proper degree subjects at proper places instead of just randomly jumping at the chance to spend 3 years doing a nothing degree with no obvious value afterwards they might not be so f
ked?From my experience the people who would have benefitted in the past from degree education still manage to achieve positive outcomes and do things like buy houses.
People who wouldn't have gone to university in the past but benefitted from the bar being lowered are stuck as they would have been in the past, just with more debt and a less realistic view of their place in the world.
Labour are partially to blame for their inclusive all must have prizes ideals but the people who believed them and didn't think through the consequences aren't blameless either. Did they really think that spending years and cash on a random degree would inevitably lead to a nice job? Because that was *never* going to happen.
I wonder what health care and provision for the elderly are going to be like in 20-30 years, when a generation that feel done over by the ones before them are funding it and deciding how the taxes are to be allocated.
I think there could be all sorts of nasty surprises when old rich people are trying to enjoy retirement and these young people with ever decreasing empathy are looking at old people with great pensions, they'll never get, living in houses they could never afford.
I see it even in my workplace now where people about to retire are going with much better pensions than people joining at the bottom will ever get. There is a feeling that the older people have raised the drawbridge and agreed cuts that leave them OK but the younger employees with much worse terms and conditions.
I can't see all these people sitting back and saying "well done, you've earned it" when we're all old living in big old family houses that they can't afford, just because we were born 20-30 years before them. Perhaps there will be more taxes aimed at old people? Rules about what size houses people can own? It's going to get worse as automation really starts to influence the workplace.
There will be no use in telling them it's their fault for doing st degrees and not grafting when you're being forced out of your house and into an old folks camp so a more deserving family can use your house. Then we'll see what they mean by social justice. 
I think there could be all sorts of nasty surprises when old rich people are trying to enjoy retirement and these young people with ever decreasing empathy are looking at old people with great pensions, they'll never get, living in houses they could never afford.
I see it even in my workplace now where people about to retire are going with much better pensions than people joining at the bottom will ever get. There is a feeling that the older people have raised the drawbridge and agreed cuts that leave them OK but the younger employees with much worse terms and conditions.
I can't see all these people sitting back and saying "well done, you've earned it" when we're all old living in big old family houses that they can't afford, just because we were born 20-30 years before them. Perhaps there will be more taxes aimed at old people? Rules about what size houses people can own? It's going to get worse as automation really starts to influence the workplace.
There will be no use in telling them it's their fault for doing s
t degrees and not grafting when you're being forced out of your house and into an old folks camp so a more deserving family can use your house. Then we'll see what they mean by social justice. Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 24th April 17:43
Robotics and automation will deal with a lot of the care needs.
Prices for large houses will inevitably fall to match the unaffordability problem at some point - whilst demand and supply are relevant, they are capped by affordability and the current market imbalance, particularly in London, will need to unwind at some point.
loafer123 said:
Robotics and automation will deal with a lot of the care needs.
Prices for large houses will inevitably fall to match the unaffordability problem at some point - whilst demand and supply are relevant, they are capped by affordability and the current market imbalance, particularly in London, will need to unwind at some point.
Until one of those autistic angry millenials hacks the robots to euthanize all the elderly? Prices for large houses will inevitably fall to match the unaffordability problem at some point - whilst demand and supply are relevant, they are capped by affordability and the current market imbalance, particularly in London, will need to unwind at some point.
El stovey said:
There will be no use in telling them it's their fault for doing st degrees and not grafting when you're being forced out of your house and into an old folks camp so a more deserving family can use your house. Then we'll see what they mean by social justice.
I too wonder if pensioners will actually be able to preserve the value of their capital.t degrees and not grafting when you're being forced out of your house and into an old folks camp so a more deserving family can use your house. Then we'll see what they mean by social justice. There's the politics. If a yoof asks why his taxes or the profits of his employer are being paid to a pensioner and the answer is, "40 years ago I lent the government money to fund the services we all benefitted from back then, and I bought some shares 40 years ago too", there has to be a risk that the yoof is going to say, "Tough luck, Grandad. I wasn't around 40 years so I'll be damned if I'm going to be bound by that arrangement."
And there's also the pure economics. If you've got a load of pensioners producing nothing, but sitting on piles of cash, and they try to buy the output of a shrinking productive workforce, the elderly's cash is going to trigger price inflation and that in turn will naturally trigger wage inflation. The net effect will be the devaluation of pensioners' assets and income. The productive workers will continue pretty much as before.
If pensioners' interests diverge wildly from the interests of the rest of the population, the pensioners are always going to lose and suffer because ultimately they've got nothing much to bargain with.
Jonesy23 said:
Maybe if they'd been a little less stupid and done proper degree subjects at proper places instead of just randomly jumping at the chance to spend 3 years doing a nothing degree with no obvious value afterwards they might not be so fked?
To be fair, I saw a lot of that 30 years ago when education was 'free'.ked?A lot of people wasted the school's time, and their own, simply because it was easier than getting a job.
Drinking and shagging and ignoring classes and assignments.
No one can blame them for the first two, but the last - that was the real point of being there.
I had always hoped that would change once people had to actually be financially responsible for their choices.
I'm sure it has concentrated the minds of many in the last few years.
Jonesy23 said:
From my experience the people who would have benefitted in the past from degree education still manage to achieve positive outcomes and do things like buy houses.
People who wouldn't have gone to university in the past but benefitted from the bar being lowered are stuck as they would have been in the past, just with more debt and a less realistic view of their place in the world.
Labour are partially to blame for their inclusive all must have prizes ideals but the people who believed them and didn't think through the consequences aren't blameless either. Did they really think that spending years and cash on a random degree would inevitably lead to a nice job? Because that was *never* going to happen.
And yet generations prior to us 'bought' the pension and NHS 'dream' and voted for labour back then too.People who wouldn't have gone to university in the past but benefitted from the bar being lowered are stuck as they would have been in the past, just with more debt and a less realistic view of their place in the world.
Labour are partially to blame for their inclusive all must have prizes ideals but the people who believed them and didn't think through the consequences aren't blameless either. Did they really think that spending years and cash on a random degree would inevitably lead to a nice job? Because that was *never* going to happen.
Bloody great ponzi schemes.
Realising that the ponzi would soon be discovered, Blair increased immigration enormously and anyone who could spell 'IT' got a free pass in.
It helped patch the cracks for a while, and made big business happy because pay rates could be dropped.
Once businesses were able to 'off shore' most of the work, the bubble broke.
Apparently no one has bothered to measure the habitable area of the UK and do the mathematics required to determine just how long we can keep importing (temporarily) cheaper labour and doubling the population, to keep the ponzi running, before people begin falling off the edges into the sea.
Forget infrastructure and resources. That can be dealt with by another government.
Or, people might just wake up.
But with Corbyn offering more national holidays, well why would you vote any other way?
It's coming home to roost.
Maybe not today, or even this decade, but it's coming.
UK Millennials are screwed because of *globalisation*.
Their parents and grandparents only ever had to compete with about 10 countries... Now, UK Millennials have to compete with about 50 countries...
UK Millennials are screwed... But Chinese, Indian and other Millennials are experiencing euphoria and riches beyond even their parents' wildest dreams.
Globalisation has taken from the rich (UK, France, etc.) and given their wealth to the poor (China, Mexico, etc.).
Their parents and grandparents only ever had to compete with about 10 countries... Now, UK Millennials have to compete with about 50 countries...
UK Millennials are screwed... But Chinese, Indian and other Millennials are experiencing euphoria and riches beyond even their parents' wildest dreams.
Globalisation has taken from the rich (UK, France, etc.) and given their wealth to the poor (China, Mexico, etc.).
What annoys me about this phenomenon is the belief amongst these groups that only their opinion is right; there is no space for discussion or debate on any matter. As we have seen in the post Brexit and post Trump environments, they are happy to march and protest (and fight) against democratic results, yet would scream blue murder if the right protested against a Labour or Green victory.
The whole thing appears to be idealism and a feeling of entitlement rather than Socialism (though one could argue that summarises Socialism), which is truly a hallmark of naivety and inexperience.
More concerning is the real lack of humanity these people show towards anyone who doesn't match their criteria and they faill to see the irony in their racial and gender profiling. An example of this lack of humanity is shown below, a reference to the toddler killed at Disneyland last year. Following that tragic event, this 'sjw' posted the tweet, and was then unsurprisingly heavily criticised for it. The link below the photo is of a 'millenial' reaction to the tweeter being forced off the internet. The article and the comments beggar belief. Rather than being outraged at making light of the death of a toddler, they are upset that the tweeter has become a victim of online lynching.Note how the article refers to the tweeter being a woman of colour, then look at the photo of the tweeter below the link. But, as the article says, 'there is a lot more to being black than having physical characteristics associated with sub-Saharan ancestry.' I think perhaps the reason the Social Justice movement has become so big is that it's incredibly hard to argue against stupidity when the opposition are so convinced by it.
https://medium.com/@JWinWhitIV/brienne-of-snarth-i...
The whole thing appears to be idealism and a feeling of entitlement rather than Socialism (though one could argue that summarises Socialism), which is truly a hallmark of naivety and inexperience.
More concerning is the real lack of humanity these people show towards anyone who doesn't match their criteria and they faill to see the irony in their racial and gender profiling. An example of this lack of humanity is shown below, a reference to the toddler killed at Disneyland last year. Following that tragic event, this 'sjw' posted the tweet, and was then unsurprisingly heavily criticised for it. The link below the photo is of a 'millenial' reaction to the tweeter being forced off the internet. The article and the comments beggar belief. Rather than being outraged at making light of the death of a toddler, they are upset that the tweeter has become a victim of online lynching.Note how the article refers to the tweeter being a woman of colour, then look at the photo of the tweeter below the link. But, as the article says, 'there is a lot more to being black than having physical characteristics associated with sub-Saharan ancestry.' I think perhaps the reason the Social Justice movement has become so big is that it's incredibly hard to argue against stupidity when the opposition are so convinced by it.
https://medium.com/@JWinWhitIV/brienne-of-snarth-i...
fblm said:
That "has" to be a parody. Surely. "thinkfluencer"
"doing violence"
ClaphamGT3 said:
esxste said:
Heh, the author makes no mention about how millennials have been screwed over by the 'baby boomers'.
Millennials are the first generation who will do less well than their parents.
Is it their fault?
Or is it the fault of the generation that turned Britain into a service economy, encouraged the millennials to study for degrees but fail to create anything more than zero-hour contract jobs for them to take. Not to mention the added bonus of saddling them with a lifetime of debt to sap their resources. Or to mention the housing policy that has inflated house prices ensuring millennials have to save for 10-20 years before being able to afford their own home.
And on top of all that, millennials are called "snowflakes".
Blame the parents I say.
And therein you encapsulate the problem. Millenials believe it is someone else's responsibility to set them up for success; we generation X/Y lot knew that was for us to do for ourselvesMillennials are the first generation who will do less well than their parents.
Is it their fault?
Or is it the fault of the generation that turned Britain into a service economy, encouraged the millennials to study for degrees but fail to create anything more than zero-hour contract jobs for them to take. Not to mention the added bonus of saddling them with a lifetime of debt to sap their resources. Or to mention the housing policy that has inflated house prices ensuring millennials have to save for 10-20 years before being able to afford their own home.
And on top of all that, millennials are called "snowflakes".
Blame the parents I say.
I was born in 1970, and whilst I've almost certainly had it better than my kids will, I can look back and compare what I get "given" to what my father did, working for the very same company, and there really is no comparison...
He got a superb index-linked final salary pension scheme, got all of his costs paid any time they decided they wanted a bigger house by getting a new role elsewhere in the country (to the point where they made a profit out of the act of relocating each time), tax relief on mortgage payments and a whole bunch more, then when the time came, he got a redundancy payout of 1 month per year employed and kept Bupa for him and my mum until he was 65.
In comparison, I'll get the standard contributory pension, and statutory redundancy should they decide they want to lose me.
Yes, they can point to rampant inflation and high interest rates, but you can also point to rampant pay rises to take that into account, and we now get paid in advance on the 5th of the month, both of which are legacies from my employer finding ways to cheat the government ban on pay rises and still provide a chunk of extra cash to their employees back in the Seventies.
The one hope I hold out for my own kids (currently 14, 11 & 9) is that by the time they're looking to buy a house, everyone will have realised that with fast broadband and video-conferencing, most people really can work from anywhere, so they won't be stuck in the M25 rat race like we've been but will be able to live somewhere pleasant for a fraction of the cost instead.
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