Boris Johnson - Secret Weapon OR Achilles Heel?

Boris Johnson - Secret Weapon OR Achilles Heel?

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avinalarf

6,438 posts

142 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Justayellowbadge said:
Why do you keep using the non-existent term 'etonite'?

I cannot believe anyone could be so ill informed not to know the correct 'Etonian' so what is it you are trying to deliberately convey, if not ignorance?
Definition of "etonite".......
During the course of the film "Batman....The dark Destroyer....
Batman meets a chap who went to Eton and during a conversation the Etonian inadvertently came into contact with harmful rays from a small amount of Kryptonite that Batman had in his underpants.
Those harmful rays of Kryptonite affected the old Etonian and changed him from a useless lump of social detritus into a useful member of society that votes for Jeremy.
Then known to future generations as an Etonite.

Goaty Bill 2

3,408 posts

119 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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avinalarf said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Why do you keep using the non-existent term 'etonite'?

I cannot believe anyone could be so ill informed not to know the correct 'Etonian' so what is it you are trying to deliberately convey, if not ignorance?
Definition of "etonite".......
During the course of the film "Batman....The dark Destroyer....
Batman meets a chap who went to Eton and during a conversation the Etonian inadvertently came into contact with harmful rays from a small amount of Kryptonite that Batman had in his underpants.
Those harmful rays of Kryptonite affected the old Etonian and changed him from a useless lump of social detritus into a useful member of society that votes for Jeremy.
Then known to future generations as an Etonite.
No! Damn you!
I've already explained this.

Goaty Bill 2 said:
A rare metal from Etonia
[A planet] just across the galaxy from Krypton.
Damned revisionists. biggrin


avinalarf

6,438 posts

142 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Goaty Bill 2 said:
avinalarf said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Why do you keep using the non-existent term 'etonite'?

I cannot believe anyone could be so ill informed not to know the correct 'Etonian' so what is it you are trying to deliberately convey, if not ignorance?
Definition of "etonite".......
During the course of the film "Batman....The dark Destroyer....
Batman meets a chap who went to Eton and during a conversation the Etonian inadvertently came into contact with harmful rays from a small amount of Kryptonite that Batman had in his underpants.
Those harmful rays of Kryptonite affected the old Etonian and changed him from a useless lump of social detritus into a useful member of society that votes for Jeremy.
Then known to future generations as an Etonite.
No! Damn you!
I've already explained this.

Goaty Bill 2 said:
A rare metal from Etonia
[A planet] just across the galaxy from Krypton.
Damned revisionists. biggrin
Apologies Mr Goaty but you surely don't expect me to trawl through endless drivel to see one of your posts.
Anyway my explanation sounds more convincing ,so buzz off. smile

Evanivitch

20,078 posts

122 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Justayellowbadge said:
Why do you keep using the non-existent term 'etonite'?

I cannot believe anyone could be so ill informed not to know the correct 'Etonian' so what is it you are trying to deliberately convey, if not ignorance?
On a tangent, Boris referred to Corbyn as a Islingtonian. Couldn't think of a more pathetic attempt at trying to paint Corbyn as part of a privileged elite.

avinalarf

6,438 posts

142 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Evanivitch said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Why do you keep using the non-existent term 'etonite'?

I cannot believe anyone could be so ill informed not to know the correct 'Etonian' so what is it you are trying to deliberately convey, if not ignorance?
On a tangent, Boris referred to Corbyn as a Islingtonian. Couldn't think of a more pathetic attempt at trying to paint Corbyn as part of a privileged elite.
Absolutely agree.....I can think of lots more disparaging epithets for Jeremy....
Here's one for starters......Corbynite. smile

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

242 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Evanivitch said:
On a tangent, Boris referred to Corbyn as a Islingtonian. Couldn't think of a more pathetic attempt at trying to paint Corbyn as part of a privileged elite.
Well, true.

His prep school and grammar education, followed by 35 years at the heart of the establishment as an MP (earning what, top 5% salary?) before becoming leader of the opposition do show his everyman status.

He must look back to his childhood in the manor house and wonder where it all went wrong.

Eddie Strohacker

3,879 posts

86 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Justayellowbadge said:
Well, true.

His prep school and grammar education, followed by 35 years at the heart of the establishment as an MP (earning what, top 5% salary?) before becoming leader of the opposition do show his everyman status.

He must look back to his childhood in the manor house and wonder where it all went wrong.
Only one way to have skin in the game though, have to play the system form within if you want to change it. Not that his chance will come.

As for Boris, let's add up his week. Garden bridge clusterfk comes tumbling down, his sister jumps ship & he lobs a foreign policy grenade at Theresa from the Today studios. I'd say he's had a stinker entirely in keeping with his record on just about everything he's ever done ever.

Unusable water cannons, eradicating homelessness in London, pledging to maintain ticket offices on the tube - all closed now, promised to negotiate a no strike deal on the tube in 2008..., commissioning the Boris buses which turned out to be no more efficient or clean than off the peg vehicles but a fkbunch more expensive.

In fairness, he did roll out the bike scheme but failed to make it paid for by sponsorsas he promised & It receives a TFL subsidy to this day. Back to business - he repeatedly denied he would close fire stations in London - closed ten & got rid of 27 fire engines.

There's lots more - cronyism, failures with the poilce, council tax, knife crime, cabbies cabinet, I can't be arsed to type it all out 7 I'm still only on his time as mayor.

In short, imo he's not a rapier sharp mind hiding behind the façade of an amiable buffoon. He is a buffoon, by any yardstick that he set for himself he's a failure & one more example of how an easy charm & a bon mot here & there will carry you along way past the right stop & fool otherwise rational people.

Evanivitch

20,078 posts

122 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Justayellowbadge said:
Well, true.

His prep school and grammar education, followed by 35 years at the heart of the establishment as an MP (earning what, top 5% salary?) before becoming leader of the opposition do show his everyman status.

He must look back to his childhood in the manor house and wonder where it all went wrong.
All valid, but you can't claim that Boris hasn't benefited from the 2 most nepotistic institutions in the UK.

Which, I'd argue Corbyn has not even tried to do so. He certainly didn't appear to make any efforts as a back bench MP to get to the top by calling in favours.

AnotherClarkey

3,596 posts

189 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Evanivitch said:
ll valid, but you can't claim that Boris hasn't benefited from the 2 most nepotistic institutions in the UK.

Which, I'd argue Corbyn has not even tried to do so. He certainly didn't appear to make any efforts as a back bench MP to get to the top by calling in favours.
Labour has quite some form for nepotism.

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

233 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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he is a fking weapon alright, but that's no secret

PH XKR

1,761 posts

102 months

Saturday 29th April 2017
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Hugo a Gogo said:
he is a fking weapon alright, but that's no secret
Occasionally I would watch the mayoral chambers on tv. His handling of the cabinet was nothing short of brilliant.

He is a master politician.

Oilchange

8,462 posts

260 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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I do enjoy it when the raving 'left' attack schools and privelage, aiming their 'hard done by' and ruled by the 'Elite' arguments to try to justify why their brand of politics isn't quite as successful. I never went to a public school but I value the contribution they make, not only by relieving the congestion in stateschools but also by producing well rounded, intelligent and polite kids. So much so that I send my daughter to one.
Anyway, just to counter the Tories>privilege argument:


He left school at 16 with 3 O-levels...

Evanivitch

20,078 posts

122 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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Oilchange said:
He left school at 16 with 3 O-levels...
Great example, but an absolute corner case.

In 2015
BBC said:
Almost a third (32%) of MPs in the new House of Commons went to private school, according to an analysis by an education charity.
Of these, almost one in 10 went to Eton, suggests the Sutton Trust study.
among Conservative MPs, nearly half (48%) were privately educated, the report indicates.

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among Labour MPs, some 17% went to private schools, among Liberal Democrats the figure was 14%.

Oilchange

8,462 posts

260 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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I would say 'corner cases' don't win General Elections...

Evanivitch said:
Oilchange said:
He left school at 16 with 3 O-levels...
Great example, but an absolute corner case.


gothatway

5,783 posts

170 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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Evanivitch said:
In 2015
BBC said:
Almost a third (32%) of MPs in the new House of Commons went to private school, according to an analysis by an education charity.
Of these, almost one in 10 went to Eton, suggests the Sutton Trust study.
among Conservative MPs, nearly half (48%) were privately educated, the report indicates.

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among Labour MPs, some 17% went to private schools, among Liberal Democrats the figure was 14%.
So if there is a correlation between getting a "better" education at private schools then it seems that better educated people become Tory MPs. One of the arguments used by detractors of private education is that it robs the public sector of better resources (teachers and facilities), so we might indeed expect better education of privately educated children.

hairyben

8,516 posts

183 months

Sunday 30th April 2017
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Did he ever state as fact that the 350 would go to the nhs? The impression I got was more suggestion of how we could use the $$, but in all honesty I wasn't following the campaign that closely.

As for boris hes a bit old guard in an era where the momentum seems to be change, of rejecting some of the elites... he should tread carefully.