Young woman shot by Police in terrror op.

[98elise]

MarshPhantom said:

Elroy Blue said:

I used to be a Police Firearms Officer. We don't aim for legs or arms.

Yet the Police involved managed to keep Lee Rigby's killers alive.

If you believe there is a threat to life you shoot.

If the person survives being shot, and is no longer a threat, then you try to keep them alive.

Its not a hard concept, but I suspect you are being deliberately obtuse just to troll.

[anonymous-user]

There's a balance between accuracy of information and timliness. If one reads Stockwell 2 (Menezes), then they'd see the will to get information into the public domain contributed to misinformation. Misinformation that to this day causes people to say silly things about perjury as per page 1.

What's the rush? Let the investigators do their job and release accurate information when it has been established.

MarshPhantom said:

Elroy Blue said:

I used to be a Police Firearms Officer. We don't aim for legs or arms.

Yet the Police involved managed to keep Lee Rigby's killers alive.

How does that have anything to do with what he wrote?

[Hainey]

zarjaz1991 said:

This thread is most unfair to our police.
If they have found it necessary to shoot someone, then there will be a very good reason.
For instance, the person may have been using a mobile phone to pay at a McDonalds drive through. Or perhaps they weren't wearing a seatbelt. They could even have been on a station platform looking elusive.

Dear Troll.

Just do one.

Thanks,

Everyone.

[zarjaz1991]

Hainey said:

Dear Troll.

Just do one.

Thanks,

Everyone.

Oh do bugger off. I don't like the police and I have bloody good reasoning as to why. Rather than the long whiny posts others like to make, I use humour and sarcasm.
You not agreeing with that is fine but it doesn't make me a "troll".

This is what the internet has become really, everyone who has a different viewpoint to your own is a troll. Sigh.

[98elise]

zarjaz1991 said:

Hainey said:

Dear Troll.

Just do one.

Thanks,

Everyone.

Oh do bugger off. I don't like the police and I have bloody good reasoning as to why. Rather than the long whiny posts others like to make, I use humour and sarcasm.
You not agreeing with that is fine but it doesn't make me a "troll".

This is what the internet has become really, everyone who has a different viewpoint to your own is a troll. Sigh.

You haven't presented a different viewpoint. You've made a stupid comment designed to get a rise out of other posters. Thats pretty much the definition of a troll.

[Derek Smith]

zarjaz1991 said:

Hainey said:

Dear Troll.

Just do one.

Thanks,

Everyone.

Oh do bugger off. I don't like the police and I have bloody good reasoning as to why. Rather than the long whiny posts others like to make, I use humour and sarcasm.
You not agreeing with that is fine but it doesn't make me a "troll".

This is what the internet has become really, everyone who has a different viewpoint to your own is a troll. Sigh.

zarjaz1991 said:

Oh do bugger off. I don't like the police and I have bloody good reasoning as to why. Rather than the long whiny posts others like to make, I use humour and sarcasm.
You not agreeing with that is fine but it doesn't make me a "troll".

This is what the internet has become really, everyone who has a different viewpoint to your own is a troll. Sigh.

Wiki suggests a troll is:

. . . a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement.

Q.E.D. I'd say for Hainey.

You admit you are prejudiced. Well good for you. Just one additional point, look up the definition of humour. You will find that it does not include sarcasm, insinuation and innuendo.

To return to the topic: at the moment the news is that two terror operations appear to have been thwarted by the police. I would have thought that this would be a reason to rejoice, even for this most anti-police ranters. But I've been proved wrong.

[Hainey]

zarjaz1991 said:

Hainey said:

Dear Troll.

Just do one.

Thanks,

Everyone.

Oh do bugger off. I don't like the police and I have bloody good reasoning as to why. Rather than the long whiny posts others like to make, I use humour and sarcasm.
You not agreeing with that is fine but it doesn't make me a "troll".

This is what the internet has become really, everyone who has a different viewpoint to your own is a troll. Sigh.

If you have a point to make that stands scrutiny, make it. You didnt.

You posted as a troll in a juvenile manner with all the maturity of a 15yr old who hates 'the po-po' or whatever stupid import phrase kids are trying to use now as they seek an identity. From a man of your age thats an embarrasing way to write, further compounded here by the subject matter.

I to have had issues with the Police but I still support them and I still respect the fact that someone lost their life here. I shoot with a PFO and believe me my sympathies are with the man who took the shot because he will have his every thought and every movement analysed over this event and if he got it wrong woe will betide him in a manner you cannot comprehend. How those guys can do that job when there is a huge trapdoor under them and a queue of people waiting to pull the bolt on it astounds me. Not a process your post indicates you even have a clue over.

My suggestion would be you either go get some life experience and grow up, or keep your delightful analogies to a more suitable thread until then.

[bitchstewie]

Derek Smith said:

To return to the topic: at the moment the news is that two terror operations appear to have been thwarted by the police. I would have thought that this would be a reason to rejoice, even for this most anti-police ranters. But I've been proved wrong.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't Derek.

I must admit I do wonder what some people are on when they appear to let their personal prejudices of the Police cloud their judgement over what would look to be a job very well done.

[Hainey]

bhstewie said:

Derek Smith said:

To return to the topic: at the moment the news is that two terror operations appear to have been thwarted by the police. I would have thought that this would be a reason to rejoice, even for this most anti-police ranters. But I've been proved wrong.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't Derek.

I must admit I do wonder what some people are on when they appear to let their personal prejudices of the Police cloud their judgement over what would look to be a job very well done.

Hear Hear.

The country is under a threat level that the IRA would have given anything to achieve 30 years ago and yet certain elements find any reason to downplay the achievements of the Police and intelligence services in how well they have thwarted these cells so far.

Constrictive Critisism is one thing, what we see from some outlets is quite something else entirely.

[MarshPhantom]

Hainey said:

bhstewie said:

Derek Smith said:

To return to the topic: at the moment the news is that two terror operations appear to have been thwarted by the police. I would have thought that this would be a reason to rejoice, even for this most anti-police ranters. But I've been proved wrong.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't Derek.

I must admit I do wonder what some people are on when they appear to let their personal prejudices of the Police cloud their judgement over what would look to be a job very well done.

Hear Hear.

The country is under a threat level that the IRA would have given anything to achieve 30 years ago and yet certain elements find any reason to downplay the achievements of the Police and intelligence services in how well they have thwarted these cells so far.

Constrictive Critisism is one thing, what we see from some outlets is quite something else entirely.

Or it could possibly be The Police getting their excuses in early. If you think things today are anywhere near as bad as they were back in the 70s, 80s and 90s you really are deluded.

Edited by MarshPhantom on Saturday 29th April 09:42

[Hainey]

Well I know what I base my conclusions on Marsh. What do you base yours on?

[anonymous-user]

zarjaz1991 said:

Hainey said:

Dear Troll.

Just do one.

Thanks,

Everyone.

Oh do bugger off. I don't like the police and I have bloody good reasoning as to why. Rather than the long whiny posts others like to make, I use humour and sarcasm.
You not agreeing with that is fine but it doesn't make me a "troll".

This is what the internet has become really, everyone who has a different viewpoint to your own is a troll. Sigh.

I think it speaks volumes that you think you actually presented a 'view point'.

Typical troll. No substance, just sit on the sidelines making snide comments.

To be fair, at least you've not done the ever-hilarious, "they fell down the stairs", line yet.

[davidball]

The victim, who is seriously wounded and under armed guard, is not under arrest. Perhaps someone can explain:

Who is she being protected from?
If she is suspected of being part of a terror plot why is she not under arrest?

[greygoose]

davidball said:

The victim, who is seriously wounded and under armed guard, is not under arrest. Perhaps someone can explain:

Who is she being protected from?
If she is suspected of being part of a terror plot why is she not under arrest?

Why start the PACE clock when she is not going anywhere?

[turbobloke]

London424 said:

battered said:

TTmonkey said:

5 shots fired and no ones died.... (yet)

Some training needed perhaps?

On the contrary. Shooting to immobilize is preferable to shooting dead, where possible, and this seems to have happened here. That's what the training should be for.

It really isn't. This is action movies where the hero shoots the gun out of their hand or shoots them deliberately in the leg or some nonsense.

I agree with you, and post this purely as the exception that proves the rule.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff4XuPtAOUk

[davidball]

So she is free to leave hospital at any time, free to have visits from whoever she chooses and free to talk to the press?

[Greendubber]

MarshPhantom said:

Hainey said:

bhstewie said:

Derek Smith said:

To return to the topic: at the moment the news is that two terror operations appear to have been thwarted by the police. I would have thought that this would be a reason to rejoice, even for this most anti-police ranters. But I've been proved wrong.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't Derek.

I must admit I do wonder what some people are on when they appear to let their personal prejudices of the Police cloud their judgement over what would look to be a job very well done.

Hear Hear.

The country is under a threat level that the IRA would have given anything to achieve 30 years ago and yet certain elements find any reason to downplay the achievements of the Police and intelligence services in how well they have thwarted these cells so far.

Constrictive Critisism is one thing, what we see from some outlets is quite something else entirely.

Or it could possibly be The Police getting their excuses in early. If you think things today are anywhere near as bad as they were back in the 70s, 80s and 90s you really are deluded.

Edited by MarshPhantom on Saturday 29th April 09:42

What are you basing your assessment of the current threat level on?

[Smiler.]

Greendubber said:

MarshPhantom said:

Hainey said:

bhstewie said:

Derek Smith said:

To return to the topic: at the moment the news is that two terror operations appear to have been thwarted by the police. I would have thought that this would be a reason to rejoice, even for this most anti-police ranters. But I've been proved wrong.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't Derek.

I must admit I do wonder what some people are on when they appear to let their personal prejudices of the Police cloud their judgement over what would look to be a job very well done.

Hear Hear.

The country is under a threat level that the IRA would have given anything to achieve 30 years ago and yet certain elements find any reason to downplay the achievements of the Police and intelligence services in how well they have thwarted these cells so far.

Constrictive Critisism is one thing, what we see from some outlets is quite something else entirely.

Or it could possibly be The Police getting their excuses in early. If you think things today are anywhere near as bad as they were back in the 70s, 80s and 90s you really are deluded.

Edited by MarshPhantom on Saturday 29th April 09:42

What are you basing your assessment of the current threat level on?

Going by the usual standard, a quick flick of the Morning Star during the post elevenses dump.

[Mastodon2]

battered said:

On the contrary. Shooting to immobilize is preferable to shooting dead, where possible, and this seems to have happened here. That's what the training should be for.

Why is this fantasy always trotted out?

[gruffalo]

davidball said:

So she is free to leave hospital at any time, free to have visits from whoever she chooses and free to talk to the press?

I think once she is well enough for visitor's or leaving she will be arrested.

No point arresting her when the hospital is an effective containment method.