Will Trump ever get fair treatment?

[scherzkeks]

C70R said:

5ohmustang said:

A gun in the hand of Doris, is better than a cop on the phone.

Freedom, since 1776.


Criminals love gun control, it makes their jobs safer.

Classic bit of Yankee indoctrination there.

The truth is "a gun in the hand of Doris" leads to higher per capita gun deaths than any other first world country, and almost daily "mass shooting events*".
Yeeha!
The fun part, America seems to think that almost daily mass shootings are simply caused by "mental illness". Classic American compartmentalisation and post-rationalisation. Everywhere in the world suffers with mental illness - the difference is that mass-killing weapons aren't readily available in these countries.

It's largely a cultural and socio-economic issue. The mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon and don't speak to the availabilty of guns as being the key issue.

[Europa1]

5ohmustang said:

Europa1 said:

I thought you were leaving? Several weeks ago?

Oh, and it's just "drown", not "drown to death". If death doesn't happen, you haven't drowned.

Whining over a healthcare system that doesn't even affect you?

Just save the whining. Let the social justice flow through you and start the crying.

Meanwhile for the realists in the room, Obummercare will soon be a distant memory.

A few years from now people will be saying "remember that time when we were fined thousands of dollars because we didn't have the money to pay for extremely expensive healthcare in the first place, what were they thinking."

I was actually expressing surprise that you're still posting, given that you said you were leaving, and commenting on your use of language. I wasn't expressing any view on the US healthcare system. Your use of language in your post above is, I would venture, far more indicative of "whining".

[C70R]

scherzkeks said:

C70R said:

5ohmustang said:

A gun in the hand of Doris, is better than a cop on the phone.

Freedom, since 1776.


Criminals love gun control, it makes their jobs safer.

Classic bit of Yankee indoctrination there.

The truth is "a gun in the hand of Doris" leads to higher per capita gun deaths than any other first world country, and almost daily "mass shooting events*".
Yeeha!
The fun part, America seems to think that almost daily mass shootings are simply caused by "mental illness". Classic American compartmentalisation and post-rationalisation. Everywhere in the world suffers with mental illness - the difference is that mass-killing weapons aren't readily available in these countries.

It's largely a cultural and socio-economic issue. The mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon and don't speak to the availabilty of guns as being the key issue.

That's missing the point, spectacularly. Reported mental health issues are on the rise in almost every country with a system to count them - at the same time, the number of guns/capita in the US is at its highest.

Smart people will point to a decline in gun-related violence in the US, corresponding to the rise in guns/capita. However, the decline has flattened out and levels are still mental compared to the rest of the civilised world.

[Hugo a Gogo]

Freedom, since 1776, except for those colored folk

[scherzkeks]

C70R said:

scherzkeks said:

C70R said:

5ohmustang said:

A gun in the hand of Doris, is better than a cop on the phone.

Freedom, since 1776.


Criminals love gun control, it makes their jobs safer.

Classic bit of Yankee indoctrination there.

The truth is "a gun in the hand of Doris" leads to higher per capita gun deaths than any other first world country, and almost daily "mass shooting events*".
Yeeha!
The fun part, America seems to think that almost daily mass shootings are simply caused by "mental illness". Classic American compartmentalisation and post-rationalisation. Everywhere in the world suffers with mental illness - the difference is that mass-killing weapons aren't readily available in these countries.

It's largely a cultural and socio-economic issue. The mass shootings are a relatively recent phenomenon and don't speak to the availabilty of guns as being the key issue.

levels are still mental compared to the rest of the civilised world.

Indeed. We Americans have a violent culture that places little value on human life.

Gun ownership is pretty widespread here in Germany, too. But there aren't mass shootings every 2 weeks.

[IroningMan]

Hugo a Gogo said:

Freedom, since 1776, except for those colored folk

Social Darwinism since 1776, with a side order of genocide.

[5ohmustang]

Hugo a Gogo said:

Freedom, since 1776, except for those colored folk

Ah you're talking about that British Import there.

[5ohmustang]

When Obummercare was being promoted, it was delivered to the public in a misleading manner, drawing pararells to the NHS, in that it was free like the NHS. Before someone tries to correct me and says the NHS is not free, it comes out of NI,

Compared to the U.S. System, it is practically is free. 50 quid a month is not 500.

At tax time I have to provide documentation of health insurance coverage so I am not fined under obummacare. My potential fine was around $1700 had I not had coverage.

My healthcare is not a regular private one. Due to my occupation my family and I are covered by Tricare so we do not pay. I a pay $33 a month for my families dental, but that has a yearly cap. I am unlimited however.

Certain medications and certain doctors are not tri care approved so we avoid those.

However for the regular civilians that I know, employers offer health care as a benefit, but that is anywhere from 300-500 a month. Plus you have a deductable.

So for example, the first $2k each year you pay out of pocket, after that then the health insurance kicks in. Also you can bet you are paying for the meds.

Before Obummacare, I had insurance subsided through my employer at that time, I believe it was around $400 a month.

It's a total scam, all the consumable items in that hospital room are billed to you, from a measuring cup to 1 pill of aspirin. I think they bill one pill of aspirin at $30.

If obummacare was an exact mirror of the NHS, it would be great, it's not.

Judging by Obummas other actions, I highly doubt anything he came up with in the aca would have been positive, if he had any involvement at all. The Democrats are worse than the mafia. Totally incompetent and corrupt. Truly dispicable people.

With that being said, I would not change my lifestyle for the world. Everything else is inexpensive. In order to have to maintain my way of life in the UK, I would have to be a millionaire.

[Shakermaker]

it may have already been posted, but what is the proposal from Trump to replace it with?

And thanks for the info. Useful to know.

[C70R]

Shakermaker said:

it may have already been posted, but what is the proposal from Trump to replace it with?

And thanks for the info. Useful to know.

Basically that you're completely f*cked if you have a pre-existing condition. And get this, the list of pre-existing conditions list includes: cancer and sexual assault.
I can picture the meeting now... "Yeah, those cancer sufferers and rape victims have had it much too easy for much too long."

Even Trump himself isn't close enough to the policy to defend it robustly (see the CBS interview). It goes COMPLETELY against his promise not to remove funding for Medicaid and Medicare ( https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/5963383...), but his supporters (even the ones who rely on those initiatives) seem oblivious.

Worryingly, the bill is also being pushed through without consultation of the COB, whose sole role is to accurately estimate the total cost of the bill. I'm happy to be corrected, but I think this is possibly the first time such a big bill (in budget % terms) has been railroaded.

He really hasn't a clue what he's pushing through, except for the fact that him and his mates in Congress are exempt from it. You actually couldn't make it up.

To come back to the OP - how can you treat that person "fairly"?

Edited by C70R on Friday 5th May 14:21

[rscott]

scherzkeks said:

Indeed. We Americans have a violent culture that places little value on human life.

Gun ownership is pretty widespread here in Germany, too. But there aren't mass shootings every 2 weeks.

Gun ownership in the US it's around 90 per 100 people, Germany's is around 1/3 of that and not that different from many other European countries. ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/natio... )

Yet the number of homicides by guns per 100,000 people is over 10 times is vastly different - 10 times as high in the US. Suggests it's not gun ownership alone, but attitudes to firearms which are causing the issues. I doubt encouraging every little Doris to carry a gun,'just in case' would help though.

[5ohmustang]

Shakermaker said:

it may have already been posted, but what is the proposal from Trump to replace it with?

And thanks for the info. Useful to know.

In all honesty I cannot answer you. I've not read the hundreds of pages in the bill, while I am sure others on here enraged about it on here, have not either. Despite the experts they make out to be. Some people like to feel involved with world events I guess. Maybe it makes them feel important.

Due to the fakeness of the msm, it's hard to find out what the truth really is. I don't watch the news anymore or any television for that matter.

The main thing I am taking from it is, if I choose not to have health insurance, I will not be fined thousands.

[scherzkeks]

rscott said:

scherzkeks said:

Indeed. We Americans have a violent culture that places little value on human life.

Gun ownership is pretty widespread here in Germany, too. But there aren't mass shootings every 2 weeks.

I doubt encouraging every little Doris to carry a gun,'just in case' would help though.

True, it wouldn't.
I am for strict background checks, proper permits, barriers to ownership, etc., as well. But the idea that the problem is simply the no. of guns available (as in the post I replied to) is rather silly -- particularly in the case of mass shootings, which, as mentioned, are a recent societal phenomenon in the US.

[5ohmustang]

rscott said:

Gun ownership in the US it's around 90 per 100 people, Germany's is around 1/3 of that and not that different from many other European countries. ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/natio... )

Yet the number of homicides by guns per 100,000 people is over 10 times is vastly different - 10 times as high in the US. Suggests it's not gun ownership alone, but attitudes to firearms which are causing the issues. I doubt encouraging every little Doris to carry a gun,'just in case' would help though.

• Fake News

[C70R]

5ohmustang said:

Shakermaker said:

it may have already been posted, but what is the proposal from Trump to replace it with?

And thanks for the info. Useful to know.

In all honesty I cannot answer you. I've not read the hundreds of pages in the bill, while I am sure others on here enraged about it on here, have not either. Despite the experts they make out to be. Some people like to feel involved with world events I guess. Maybe it makes them feel important.

Due to the fakeness of the msm, it's hard to find out what the truth really is. I don't watch the news anymore or any television for that matter.

The main thing I am taking from it is, if I choose not to have health insurance, I will not be fined thousands. If Rand Paul voted for it, I will trust his judgement, one of the few trustworthy politicians left.

So you haven't bothered to even seek out some "non-MSM" opinions?
You haven't even bothered to read a summary of the bill?
You haven't made any effort to try and form your own opinion?

Instead, you throw vague claims around about "MSM" and make up childish names for Obama...

Trump supporters, personified.

[Hugo a Gogo]

5ohmustang said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

Freedom, since 1776, except for those colored folk

Ah you're talking about that British Import there.

as of 1776 it was All-American, and UK never had segregation as you well know, being a Brit

[5ohmustang]

C70R said:

So you haven't bothered to even seek out some "non-MSM" opinions?
You haven't even bothered to read a summary of the bill?
You haven't made any effort to try and form your own opinion?

Instead, you throw vague claims around about "MSM" and make up childish names for Obama...

Trump supporters, personified.

Well first off I was talking to Shakermaker, one of the few real people left on here. He can critically think and is open to hearing from people that have been and know people, that have been affected by the previous regieme's actions.

So no I have not bothered to seek out fake information from the msm, nor the truth from the alternative media. Why because my opinion, just like yours is worthless.

So, instead of whining about a President of a country in which you do not live, turn off your programming and live in the real world.

I once used to sit around a TV, drinking tea and eating biscuits, soaking up the bullst soup the BBC told me was real and that I should be concerned with.

[rscott]

scherzkeks said:

rscott said:

scherzkeks said:

Indeed. We Americans have a violent culture that places little value on human life.

Gun ownership is pretty widespread here in Germany, too. But there aren't mass shootings every 2 weeks.

I doubt encouraging every little Doris to carry a gun,'just in case' would help though.

True, it wouldn't.
I am for strict background checks, proper permits, barriers to ownership, etc., as well. But the idea that the problem is simply the no. of guns available (as in the post I replied to) is rather silly -- particularly in the case of mass shootings, which, as mentioned, are a recent societal phenomenon in the US.

Not often we agree on here , but I'm certainly with you on those things. I'd also agree it's not just number of guns, but attitudes to them which is the biggest problem.

[rscott]

5ohmustang said:

Shakermaker said:

it may have already been posted, but what is the proposal from Trump to replace it with?

And thanks for the info. Useful to know.

In all honesty I cannot answer you. I've not read the hundreds of pages in the bill, while I am sure others on here enraged about it on here, have not either. Despite the experts they make out to be. Some people like to feel involved with world events I guess. Maybe it makes them feel important.

Due to the fakeness of the msm, it's hard to find out what the truth really is. I don't watch the news anymore or any television for that matter.

The main thing I am taking from it is, if I choose not to have health insurance, I will not be fined thousands.

It'd appear that's the biggest complaint of many of those who voted against it - lack of time for proper review, unlike almost every other piece of legislation they deal with.

[Shakermaker]

5ohmustang said:

C70R said:

So you haven't bothered to even seek out some "non-MSM" opinions?
You haven't even bothered to read a summary of the bill?
You haven't made any effort to try and form your own opinion?

Instead, you throw vague claims around about "MSM" and make up childish names for Obama...

Trump supporters, personified.

Well first off I was talking to Shakermaker, one of the few real people left on here. He can critically think and is open to hearing from people that have been and know people, that have been affected by the previous regieme's actions.

So no I have not bothered to seek out fake information from the msm, nor the truth from the alternative media. Why because my opinion, just like yours is worthless.

So, instead of whining about a President of a country in which you do not live, turn off your programming and live in the real world.

I once used to sit around a TV, drinking tea and eating biscuits, soaking up the bullst soup the BBC told me was real and that I should be concerned with.

How do you know I'm a real person? Did you just assume my conscious being? I am so triggered.

Anyway - it wasn't 5oh who brought up the issue of healthcare but he responded to it and then when asked (by me) gave some answers. Albeit with his own token brand of silly name calling. There are, at least given his answers, arguments why Obamacare isn't the best solution for everyone. It has gone too far in one direction - yes, millions of people who did not have that safety net of insurance are now cleared, but at the potentially huge expense of many others.