Will Trump ever get fair treatment?
Discussion
5ohmustang said:
C70R said:
So you haven't bothered to even seek out some "non-MSM" opinions?
You haven't even bothered to read a summary of the bill?
You haven't made any effort to try and form your own opinion?
Instead, you throw vague claims around about "MSM" and make up childish names for Obama...
Trump supporters, personified.
Well first off I was talking to Shakermaker, one of the few real people left on here. He can critically think and is open to hearing from people that have been and know people, that have been affected by the previous regieme's actions.You haven't even bothered to read a summary of the bill?
You haven't made any effort to try and form your own opinion?
Instead, you throw vague claims around about "MSM" and make up childish names for Obama...
Trump supporters, personified.
So no I have not bothered to seek out fake information from the msm, nor the truth from the alternative media. Why because my opinion, just like yours is worthless.
So, instead of whining about a President of a country in which you do not live, turn off your programming and live in the real world.
I once used to sit around a TV, drinking tea and eating biscuits, soaking up the bulls
t soup the BBC told me was real and that I should be concerned with.Additionally, I'm a staunch Tory supporter, so (ostensibly) the GOP should be a party I can get behind. I do a lot of business in the US, and have a large number of friends, family and colleagues who live there. Relevant enough for you?
However, they, unlike you, have taken an interest in the things that affect them. They have bothered to seek out the truth and form their own opinions about the important things in their lives (like taxes and healthcare). Most of them didn't vote Trump, nor did they vote Hilary - but the universal sentiment is one of sadness mixed with derision.
The fact that so many Trump supporters seem unaware that their elected candidate is both going back on his absolute promises AND removing many of the privileges that they enjoyed under Obamacare (let's not forget the prevalence of Medicare/Medicaid among the working-class Trump voters), is a scary symptom of the post-fact world that the US now lives in.
I almost took a job in NYC 2 years ago, but was concerned that being a "liberal" (Tory) non-Yank I would get tired of the political and media circus. I'm very glad I decided against it.
Shakermaker said:
How do you know I'm a real person? Did you just assume my conscious being? I am so triggered.
Anyway - it wasn't 5oh who brought up the issue of healthcare but he responded to it and then when asked (by me) gave some answers. Albeit with his own token brand of silly name calling. There are, at least given his answers, arguments why Obamacare isn't the best solution for everyone. It has gone too far in one direction - yes, millions of people who did not have that safety net of insurance are now cleared, but at the potentially huge expense of many others.
How do I know your real?Anyway - it wasn't 5oh who brought up the issue of healthcare but he responded to it and then when asked (by me) gave some answers. Albeit with his own token brand of silly name calling. There are, at least given his answers, arguments why Obamacare isn't the best solution for everyone. It has gone too far in one direction - yes, millions of people who did not have that safety net of insurance are now cleared, but at the potentially huge expense of many others.
That glorious beard you have. There's men that exist solely because of their chromosomes. Then there's real men with beards. The blue collar heros, the grafters, the get s**t done men. Your beard puts you in that bracket.
rscott said:
scherzkeks said:
rscott said:
scherzkeks said:
Indeed. We Americans have a violent culture that places little value on human life.
Gun ownership is pretty widespread here in Germany, too. But there aren't mass shootings every 2 weeks.
I doubt encouraging every little Doris to carry a gun,'just in case' would help though.Gun ownership is pretty widespread here in Germany, too. But there aren't mass shootings every 2 weeks.
I am for strict background checks, proper permits, barriers to ownership, etc., as well. But the idea that the problem is simply the no. of guns available (as in the post I replied to) is rather silly -- particularly in the case of mass shootings, which, as mentioned, are a recent societal phenomenon in the US.
, but I'm certainly with you on those things. I'd also agree it's not just number of guns, but attitudes to them which is the biggest problem. 5ohmustang said:
Shakermaker said:
How do you know I'm a real person? Did you just assume my conscious being? I am so triggered.
Anyway - it wasn't 5oh who brought up the issue of healthcare but he responded to it and then when asked (by me) gave some answers. Albeit with his own token brand of silly name calling. There are, at least given his answers, arguments why Obamacare isn't the best solution for everyone. It has gone too far in one direction - yes, millions of people who did not have that safety net of insurance are now cleared, but at the potentially huge expense of many others.
How do I know your real?Anyway - it wasn't 5oh who brought up the issue of healthcare but he responded to it and then when asked (by me) gave some answers. Albeit with his own token brand of silly name calling. There are, at least given his answers, arguments why Obamacare isn't the best solution for everyone. It has gone too far in one direction - yes, millions of people who did not have that safety net of insurance are now cleared, but at the potentially huge expense of many others.
That glorious beard you have. There's men that exist solely because of their chromosomes. Then there's real men with beards. The blue collar heros, the grafters, the get s**t done men. Your beard puts you in that bracket.
But thanks. It needs some maintenance though. I've got a bald-looking patch in it. It took me a long time to work out that it was at the polar opposite of the crown on my hair where my hair all goes around in a circle - who knew the same thing happened in beards? I didn't, until now.
I'd be worried that the new act being put forward won't go far enough to cover many people, especially if you have a pre-existing condition, from what I have read. I don't think that is really the way that the USA should go. Healthcare should be available - to all. Yes, you can indeed go and pay for private care if you want, but some part of the tax money that everyone pays, is going to provide healthcare in the eventuality that you get cancer/tumors/shoot yourself in the dick whilst out hunting/whatever.
Nanook said:
grumbledoak said:
Venturist said:
Why should I have a right to have someone else pay to keep me alive, regardless of cost, even if I have never contributed anything toward that cost myself?
His profile will go some way to explaining his "right to other people's money" stance. 
I suspect a case of 'blind righty rage'
Countdown said:
If only they would let individuals make that choice with other forms of taxation. For example people should be able to opt in or out of funding the Police, the Fire Brigade, or Military...why can't the "self-reliance" argument be used in those cases?
I'm not against the US model per se I just think people can be quite hypocritical and self-serving at times.
Too right, those that advocate such are fundamentalists.I'm not against the US model per se I just think people can be quite hypocritical and self-serving at times.
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