Will Trump ever get fair treatment?
Discussion
alock said:
I try and have no bias either way. I'm not an American voter and originally just observed from afar trying to pick apart biased media.
All I know for sure is I'm now bored of the constant media bashing. Whether it is too much or not enough is irrelevant. I'm bored of it and hence now ignore 99% of it. If he does something truly great or truly terrible I'll probably miss it due to being swamped by all the other crap.
Everyone now falls into one of two camps.
1. You've already made up your mind. The media will therefore either be fair or unfair depending on your own biases.
2. You're bored and don't care.
Not really. Plenty of middle ground there. The media bias and lies are easy to distinguish, particularly when they are caught red-handed or write editorials "rededicating" themselves to truthful reporting.All I know for sure is I'm now bored of the constant media bashing. Whether it is too much or not enough is irrelevant. I'm bored of it and hence now ignore 99% of it. If he does something truly great or truly terrible I'll probably miss it due to being swamped by all the other crap.
Everyone now falls into one of two camps.
1. You've already made up your mind. The media will therefore either be fair or unfair depending on your own biases.
2. You're bored and don't care.
What we are witnessing is the exposure and downfall of the corporate media (propaganda) machine as we know it. This exists independently of whether one supports or voted for Trump.
scherzkeks said:
What we are witnessing is the exposure and downfall of the corporate media (propaganda) machine as we know it. This exists independently of whether one supports or voted for Trump.
That's one way to look at it. For a few years now the internet has been a means by which fringe views can be advanced as legitimate - someone sets up a webpage and gets a degree of instant credibility (not dissimilar to how minor party leaders get a massive boost from simply being on the same platform as the PM in a pre-election debate).
What we have seen over the last year or so though is a second phase - the concerted and determined undermining of conventional news outlets by fringe outlets. The fringe outlets accuse the conventional ones of lying, whilst peddling their own lies at the same time. Pretty quickly credibility takes a hit and news blurs into entertainment, and who really cares whether entertainment is true? Outlandish rubbish gets swallowed whole because people want to believe it.
Where we will be in 5/10/20 years isn't a happy thought.
Greg66 said:
What we have seen over the last year or so though is a second phase - the concerted and determined undermining of conventional news outlets by fringe outlets. The fringe outlets accuse the conventional ones of lying, whilst peddling their own lies at the same time. Pretty quickly credibility takes a hit and news blurs into entertainment, and who really cares whether entertainment is true? Outlandish rubbish gets swallowed whole because people want to believe it.
That's one way to look at it. What we have seen is the exposure of our mainstream "news" media as nothing but propaganda and paid advertising, deserving no more respect than the soap operas they compete with for views.
I hope the soap operas continue to win. It's bad fiction, but it's honest bad fiction.
The treatment of Trump in the media is 100% fair and fully deserving.
As he himself admitted the other day, the job is a LOT more difficult than he imagined.
I have never seen a person so unsuited for the position in this office. It's incredible to watch and I just hope both the US and the rest of the world survives this aberration.
As he himself admitted the other day, the job is a LOT more difficult than he imagined.
I have never seen a person so unsuited for the position in this office. It's incredible to watch and I just hope both the US and the rest of the world survives this aberration.
Countdown said:
The beeb are reporting what Trump says and does. The fact that he does and says stupid things which make him look stupid isn't the fault of the Beeb. the fact that he lies, and the beeb then reports what he said, doesn't make the Beeb unfair or impartial.
There are ways of doing things, and the BBC yesterday decided to run a hugely unbalanced piece which was so clearly biased it reflected worse upon them than Trump. My OP was questioning whether news agencies should try to be more neutral; something that many of them seem to be struggling with. Forget for a moment whether you like or dislike Trump and what his successes and failures have been, it's about the tone of reporting by the news agencies.Is it possible to show Trump in any sort of positive light?
It's his own words and deeds that does him damage.
He doesn't need to blame impartial media for negative coverage. All he needs to do is blame himself. Although we have seen plenty of examples now where he falls over himself to blame others first - which to me is a despicable and cowardly attribute for a person in his position.
It's his own words and deeds that does him damage.
He doesn't need to blame impartial media for negative coverage. All he needs to do is blame himself. Although we have seen plenty of examples now where he falls over himself to blame others first - which to me is a despicable and cowardly attribute for a person in his position.
So said:
Countdown said:
The beeb are reporting what Trump says and does. The fact that he does and says stupid things which make him look stupid isn't the fault of the Beeb. the fact that he lies, and the beeb then reports what he said, doesn't make the Beeb unfair or impartial.
There are ways of doing things, and the BBC yesterday decided to run a hugely unbalanced piece which was so clearly biased it reflected worse upon them than Trump. My OP was questioning whether news agencies should try to be more neutral; something that many of them seem to be struggling with. Forget for a moment whether you like or dislike Trump and what his successes and failures have been, it's about the tone of reporting by the news agencies.Reporting what he says and does isn't bias. It's fact.
Countdown said:
Reporting what he says and does isn't bias. It's fact.
You've missed the point.I could say, "Countdown missed the point I made, however clear the message might have been. But at other points in the thread he has made some good arguments."
Or I could say, "Countdown missed the quite simple point I was making, which indicates that save the occasional inteligent comment he is thick as pig s
t".I have reported the situation two different ways, which do you consider more balanced?
Eric Mc said:
Is it possible to show Trump in any sort of positive light?
It's his own words and deeds that does him damage.
He doesn't need to blame impartial media for negative coverage. All he needs to do is blame himself. Although we have seen plenty of examples now where he falls over himself to blame others first - which to me is a despicable and cowardly attribute for a person in his position.
Tend to agree, not least:It's his own words and deeds that does him damage.
He doesn't need to blame impartial media for negative coverage. All he needs to do is blame himself. Although we have seen plenty of examples now where he falls over himself to blame others first - which to me is a despicable and cowardly attribute for a person in his position.
the tax statement issue - why is it such a mystery? Is it that he's lost so much money it could cast doubt on his 'genius' as a business man?
His pre-election tweets and statements critical of Obama for, for instance, playing golf and travel. But once in office he's off at his resort virtually every weekend.... playing golf and that travel, combined with security in NY for his wife and son is set to outstrip travel/security costs for Obama's administration within a year.
But, one of the most fundamental, to me, is this 'make America great again' twaddle which he repeats - what golden age was it 'great' before that he wants to turn the clock back to? One he could choose would be after the declaration of independence..... but that was commemorated by the Statue of Liberty and the last lines of the poem New Colossus;
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
not sure that matches his plan!So said:
Countdown said:
Reporting what he says and does isn't bias. It's fact.
You've missed the point.I could say, "Countdown missed the point I made, however clear the message might have been. But at other points in the thread he has made some good arguments."
Or I could say, "Countdown missed the quite simple point I was making, which indicates that save the occasional inteligent comment he is thick as pig s
t".I have reported the situation two different ways, which do you consider more balanced?
t so reporting it as such wouldn't be biased, would it?Obviously, to fans of Trump, that's going to be quite offensive, and rather than challenge on the facts, they'll start throwing around accusations of "MSM bias", arther than actually trying to prove that what was reported was factually wrong.
Edited by Countdown on Sunday 30th April 17:36
His assertion that America only ever won wars when he was growing up was total nonsense of the first order.
He said, “When I was young, in high school and in college, everybody used to say we never lost a war. America never lost,” Mr. Trump said. “Now, we never win a war.”
He was born in 1946. So his "school and college years would be 1953 to 1968 or so. I would say that in his "growing up" period America was in the process of losing its most notorious and divisive war ever i.e. Vietnam.
What was Trump doing in that era - watching game shows on TV?
He said, “When I was young, in high school and in college, everybody used to say we never lost a war. America never lost,” Mr. Trump said. “Now, we never win a war.”
He was born in 1946. So his "school and college years would be 1953 to 1968 or so. I would say that in his "growing up" period America was in the process of losing its most notorious and divisive war ever i.e. Vietnam.
What was Trump doing in that era - watching game shows on TV?
Countdown said:
So said:
Countdown said:
Reporting what he says and does isn't bias. It's fact.
You've missed the point.I could say, "Countdown missed the point I made, however clear the message might have been. But at other points in the thread he has made some good arguments."
Or I could say, "Countdown missed the quite simple point I was making, which indicates that save the occasional inteligent comment he is thick as pig s
t".I have reported the situation two different ways, which do you consider more balanced?
t so reporting it as such wouldn't be biased, would it?I am not a fan particularly, by the way.
Eric Mc said:
His assertion that America only ever won wars when he was growing up was total nonsense of the first order.
He said, “When I was young, in high school and in college, everybody used to say we never lost a war. America never lost,” Mr. Trump said. “Now, we never win a war.”
He was born in 1946. So his "school and college years would be 1953 to 1968 or so. I would say that in his "growing up" period America was in the process of losing its most notorious and divisive war ever i.e. Vietnam.
What was Trump doing in that era - watching game shows on TV?
He was busy at college, then magically developing heel spurs (which disappeared soon after) .. at least, that's what his draft deferment record says..He said, “When I was young, in high school and in college, everybody used to say we never lost a war. America never lost,” Mr. Trump said. “Now, we never win a war.”
He was born in 1946. So his "school and college years would be 1953 to 1968 or so. I would say that in his "growing up" period America was in the process of losing its most notorious and divisive war ever i.e. Vietnam.
What was Trump doing in that era - watching game shows on TV?
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