Intruders shoot dead homeowner in St Ives.

[Rich_W]

babatunde said:

So please explain how London knife crime is related to a New Forest Shooting?

Other poster was trolling about how the cuts to the Police force budgets meant this event in Dorset was all too likely.

babatunde said:

By the way "Stop and Search" was only a step across from "Driving while Black" which I experienced first hand back in the day

I don't doubt it. But in 2017 how would you like to stop young black males being victims of knife crime?

SnS isn't perfect by any means. But given some sections of the community would rather wash away blood on the streets than actually "snitch" that such and such is carrying a blade with intent, how exactly are the authorities supposed to make intelligence based stops?

[anonymous-user]

FurtiveFreddy said:

I'd say there's a little more to this than it being a "botched burglary".

I have to admit my first reaction was that it's very odd to be calling it a botched burglary so soon. What evidence would so quickly rule out the scenario that he was deliberately killed?

[FurtiveFreddy]

fblm said:

I have to admit my first reaction was that it's very odd to be calling it a botched burglary so soon. What evidence would so quickly rule out the scenario that he was deliberately killed?

Of course, we don't know what the Police have seen or heard yet. All we know is what's been reported and that is notoriously untrustworthy, but my opinion is that there was more intent than the Police seem to be suggesting at the moment. I could be completely wrong.

[Oakey]

Could it be that they only intended to wound him after he disturbed them? Ie, shot in the leg or something? I've read a few of the articles and I've not seen them mention where he was shot?

If they intended to kill him why leave the other guy alive? Why leave a witness? If you get caught it's not like you're going to be in less trouble only murdering one person.

[928]

Oakey said:

Could it be that they only intended to wound him after he disturbed them? Ie, shot in the leg or something? I've read a few of the articles and I've not seen them mention where he was shot?

If they intended to kill him why leave the other guy alive? Why leave a witness? If you get caught it's not like you're going to be in less trouble only murdering one person.

Waving a loaded gun around it "just went off/didn't think it was loaded"?

St.Ives isn't really rural, is close to major A roads and the local den of iniquity, Bournemouth.

[Cupramax]

928 said:

St.Ives isn't really rural, is close to major A roads and the local den of iniquity, Trickett's Cross

EFA, for the locals

[anonymous-user]

Cupramax said:

928 said:

St.Ives isn't really rural, is close to major A roads and the local den of iniquity, Trickett's Cross

EFA, for the locals

And don't forget those mad golfers up at Ferndown!

[Rich_W]

Oakey said:

Could it be that they only intended to wound him after he disturbed them? Ie, shot in the leg or something? I've read a few of the articles and I've not seen them mention where he was shot?

If they intended to kill him why leave the other guy alive? Why leave a witness? If you get caught it's not like you're going to be in less trouble only murdering one person.

If you shot 1 person by accident and he died would be manslaughter (slap on the wrist and suspended sentence probably )
If you shot 1 person intentionally would be one sentence (10-15?)
Shooting 2 people would be a longer sentence (probably life)

[GT03ROB]

garyhun said:

Cupramax said:

928 said:

St.Ives isn't really rural, is close to major A roads and the local den of iniquity, Trickett's Cross

EFA, for the locals

And don't forget those mad golfers up at Ferndown!

Oi!!

& St Ives is nowhere near this incident.

There is something about this that does not add up. In due course I hope we will hear the full story.

[princealbert23]

Greendubber said:

Tryke3 said:

Again who made a big deal about stop and search?

Sadiq Khan

Lee Jasper

[princealbert23]

Tryke3 said:

Who was the head of the police for 5 years ? Who reformed the police ?
Who reformed the prison system that is at breaking point ?
Yep, yours truly

You were?

[princealbert23]

fblm said:

At least we know what the house is worth. Is that the sound of the Telegraph flushing it's self down the toilet to join the Mail?

Yes, concentrate on the things that matter.

[Greendubber]

princealbert23 said:

Greendubber said:

Tryke3 said:

Again who made a big deal about stop and search?

Sadiq Khan

Lee Jasper

Ha, yes I'd forgotten all about that racist.

[essayer]

Rich_W said:

If you shot 1 person by accident and he died would be manslaughter (slap on the wrist and suspended sentence probably )
If you shot 1 person intentionally would be one sentence (10-15?)
Shooting 2 people would be a longer sentence (probably life)

20+ years for the first
Life for the other two, obviously; 20+ years before release on licence

[OzzyR1]

dandarez said:

Just to add, when I saw the thread title my immediate thought was St Ives ...Cornwall.

Didn't read the article and was thinking the same until I read your post.

Then I thought It was St Ives in Cambridgeshire...

No idea there was a third in Dorset!!

[Alucidnation]

There are many houses to choose from if you were so inclined, as this property is in a road called Castlewood, where there is only one way in or out.

One would have thought that if you were going to target a place around there to burgle, one would choose one with a quick exit.

Also, most of those properties are gated, and so i cant imagine he would have left them open/unlocked etc.

My wife used to work alongside him at LV and said he was very amiable person.




https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.8378187,-1.80874...

[Derek Smith]

essayer said:

Rich_W said:

If you shot 1 person by accident and he died would be manslaughter (slap on the wrist and suspended sentence probably )
If you shot 1 person intentionally would be one sentence (10-15?)
Shooting 2 people would be a longer sentence (probably life)

20+ years for the first
Life for the other two, obviously; 20+ years before release on licence

Indeed. Being is possession of a loaded firearm during the course of a burglary is one hell of an aggravating factor. Using it is a leap up. You'd need some clever brief to limit it to a release in five.

I can't remember the last time I read of a burglary with firearm. I would suggest the offender who fired the weapon is either a nutter or else was after the chap.

[s3fella]

Apparently a shotgun was used. Could it have been his?

[Alucidnation]

Source?

However, unlikely.

[Bigends]

Derek Smith said:

essayer said:

Rich_W said:

If you shot 1 person by accident and he died would be manslaughter (slap on the wrist and suspended sentence probably )
If you shot 1 person intentionally would be one sentence (10-15?)
Shooting 2 people would be a longer sentence (probably life)

20+ years for the first
Life for the other two, obviously; 20+ years before release on licence

Indeed. Being is possession of a loaded firearm during the course of a burglary is one hell of an aggravating factor. Using it is a leap up. You'd need some clever brief to limit it to a release in five.

I can't remember the last time I read of a burglary with firearm. I would suggest the offender who fired the weapon is either a nutter or else was after the chap.

Likewise - looks like a perfectly successful murder rather than a botched Burglary