Fox Hunting

[Halb]

rxe said:

I can’t get worked up about hunting, but it does seem a pretty inefficient way of killing foxes.

THat was shown in the report years ago, more foxes die of old age than the hunt. The hunt is one of the worst aspects of british culture, celebrating torture as a fun thing.

[rxe]

Toffs shooting pheasants are great, they raise thousands of the blighters which of course spread out into the local countryside. A grain feeder and a little bit of cover is all you need to bring them in. You can then slot them with a .22 LR in the bonce, and then straight in the pot. I don’t hang them, I prefer my meat not to taste of cheese.

[popeyewhite]

Halb said:

more foxes die of old age than the hunt.

Never!

[gareth_r]

rxe said:

... hunting ... does seem a pretty inefficient way of killing foxes.

Isn't that a good thing (if you're a fox)?

[isaldiri]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

That is probably possible but awfully hard to believe unless your bil has unbelievable hand to eye coordination....

[NomduJour]

How many of you frothing antis own a cat? Poison other vermin? Eat meat? Even vegetarians have blood on their hands via normal farming practices.

Killing things is a fundamental part of existing for both humans and lesser animals, and it’s very, very rarely pleasant. It seems that there’s a real disconnect between this and the sanitised version of what’s involved when people see death only in neat little supermarket packets.

Having seen both sides, I’d happily take my chances as a fox in hunt country rather than as anything farmed for meat.

[anonymous-user]

LDN said:

citizensm1th said:

gazza285 said:

NorfolkInClue1 said:

Just watching Wild Alaska on the travel channel, some chap has just killed and skinned two foxes so he can sell the fur to fund his life and survival in the artic circle.
Oddly, there were no protesters trying to stop him.
I guess there were no decent gastro pubs nearby to meet up, or maybe the universal credit didn’t stretch to a return flight to Alaska?
Maybe the outraged on here could organise something?
Come on people, killing foxes for fur to survive, the comfortable middle classes and the feckless unemployed protest attendees must come together and go to Alaska to tell him how to live his life, unless of course there is an imminent fracking protest.Then we have the true definition of moral dilemma..............

Merry Xmas

A direct comparison right there.

the clue is in the posters name

very true. He’s tried to make a comparison between two entirely different things; one person kills fox for survival. Another gets dressed up like a clown and plays pretend cowboy whilst drinking merrily and eating mince pies.

Norfolk’ing clue is right!

Must try harder, user name is a bit desperate, although I’m honoured to have one of the more “prominent” errrrr posters respond, he usually pops up with some expertise on every issue, just done ask questions, the citizen isn’t keen on answering as it somewhat exposes.
I’m just glad that we’ve established that it’s ok to kill a fox, skin it and then use the pelt to support the fur trade and make some extra spending money ( the chap singled out the fox as it would make him more money by the way ) but it’s not ok to kill a fox, leave it in a field and make money from rich people taking part, as of course, it’s only rich people involved in hunting ............oh hang on, it isn’t the rich people thing isn’t it, no, what kind of stupid would think like that...
What a privilege to have selective morals, I’d hate to think it was a class issue, nope, nothing to do with it eh........


Oh and I like the dressing as clowns comment, really singles you out as informed, not at all desperate and melodramatic......


Tally ho............

[citizensm1th]

NorfolkInClue1 said:

LDN said:

citizensm1th said:

gazza285 said:

NorfolkInClue1 said:

Just watching Wild Alaska on the travel channel, some chap has just killed and skinned two foxes so he can sell the fur to fund his life and survival in the artic circle.
Oddly, there were no protesters trying to stop him.
I guess there were no decent gastro pubs nearby to meet up, or maybe the universal credit didn’t stretch to a return flight to Alaska?
Maybe the outraged on here could organise something?
Come on people, killing foxes for fur to survive, the comfortable middle classes and the feckless unemployed protest attendees must come together and go to Alaska to tell him how to live his life, unless of course there is an imminent fracking protest.Then we have the true definition of moral dilemma..............

Merry Xmas

A direct comparison right there.

the clue is in the posters name

very true. He’s tried to make a comparison between two entirely different things; one person kills fox for survival. Another gets dressed up like a clown and plays pretend cowboy whilst drinking merrily and eating mince pies.

Norfolk’ing clue is right!

Must try harder, user name is a bit desperate, although I’m honoured to have one of the more “prominent” errrrr posters respond, he usually pops up with some expertise on every issue, just done ask questions, the citizen isn’t keen on answering as it somewhat exposes.
I’m just glad that we’ve established that it’s ok to kill a fox, skin it and then use the pelt to support the fur trade and make some extra spending money ( the chap singled out the fox as it would make him more money by the way ) but it’s not ok to kill a fox, leave it in a field and make money from rich people taking part, as of course, it’s only rich people involved in hunting ............oh hang on, it isn’t the rich people thing isn’t it, no, what kind of stupid would think like that...
What a privilege to have selective morals, I’d hate to think it was a class issue, nope, nothing to do with it eh........


Oh and I like the dressing as clowns comment, really singles you out as informed, not at all desperate and melodramatic......


Tally ho............

You are living up to your name again.

I live in the country and i was born and brought up in the country and have rabbited with ferrets and rifles since i was about 12 (used the ferrets much younger).

I still shoot on occasion ,My brother and his wife and daughter are all heavily involved with the isle of wight hunt and i can assure you they are clowns, they think it is fun chasing around the countryside after mr fox, but even my idiot brother will freely admit if you want to control foxes the hunt is not the way to do it.

there is a very large amount of perceived social climbing involved in both attending and becoming a member of the hunt even though real old money know exactly the type of person who thinks being in the hunt raises their status.

other than providing a small amount of beer money for country types(you will also find them reffing on clayshoots) the hunt adds nothing to country life.

[tangerine_sedge]

NorfolkInClue1 said:

LDN said:

citizensm1th said:

gazza285 said:

NorfolkInClue1 said:

Just watching Wild Alaska on the travel channel, some chap has just killed and skinned two foxes so he can sell the fur to fund his life and survival in the artic circle.
Oddly, there were no protesters trying to stop him.
I guess there were no decent gastro pubs nearby to meet up, or maybe the universal credit didn’t stretch to a return flight to Alaska?
Maybe the outraged on here could organise something?
Come on people, killing foxes for fur to survive, the comfortable middle classes and the feckless unemployed protest attendees must come together and go to Alaska to tell him how to live his life, unless of course there is an imminent fracking protest.Then we have the true definition of moral dilemma..............

Merry Xmas

A direct comparison right there.

the clue is in the posters name

very true. He’s tried to make a comparison between two entirely different things; one person kills fox for survival. Another gets dressed up like a clown and plays pretend cowboy whilst drinking merrily and eating mince pies.

Norfolk’ing clue is right!

Must try harder, user name is a bit desperate, although I’m honoured to have one of the more “prominent” errrrr posters respond, he usually pops up with some expertise on every issue, just done ask questions, the citizen isn’t keen on answering as it somewhat exposes.
I’m just glad that we’ve established that it’s ok to kill a fox, skin it and then use the pelt to support the fur trade and make some extra spending money ( the chap singled out the fox as it would make him more money by the way ) but it’s not ok to kill a fox, leave it in a field and make money from rich people taking part, as of course, it’s only rich people involved in hunting ............oh hang on, it isn’t the rich people thing isn’t it, no, what kind of stupid would think like that...
What a privilege to have selective morals, I’d hate to think it was a class issue, nope, nothing to do with it eh........


Oh and I like the dressing as clowns comment, really singles you out as informed, not at all desperate and melodramatic......


Tally ho............

This is not rich vs poor or town vs countryside, but opposition to dressing up sadistic torture as a jolly countryside jape.

If you have a fox problem then shoot them, but you don't have to dress up and make a song and dance about it.

[thetrickcyclist]

citizensm1th said:

NorfolkInClue1 said:

LDN said:

citizensm1th said:

gazza285 said:

NorfolkInClue1 said:

Just watching Wild Alaska on the travel channel, some chap has just killed and skinned two foxes so he can sell the fur to fund his life and survival in the artic circle.
Oddly, there were no protesters trying to stop him.
I guess there were no decent gastro pubs nearby to meet up, or maybe the universal credit didn’t stretch to a return flight to Alaska?
Maybe the outraged on here could organise something?
Come on people, killing foxes for fur to survive, the comfortable middle classes and the feckless unemployed protest attendees must come together and go to Alaska to tell him how to live his life, unless of course there is an imminent fracking protest.Then we have the true definition of moral dilemma..............

Merry Xmas

A direct comparison right there.

the clue is in the posters name

very true. He’s tried to make a comparison between two entirely different things; one person kills fox for survival. Another gets dressed up like a clown and plays pretend cowboy whilst drinking merrily and eating mince pies.

Norfolk’ing clue is right!

Must try harder, user name is a bit desperate, although I’m honoured to have one of the more “prominent” errrrr posters respond, he usually pops up with some expertise on every issue, just done ask questions, the citizen isn’t keen on answering as it somewhat exposes.
I’m just glad that we’ve established that it’s ok to kill a fox, skin it and then use the pelt to support the fur trade and make some extra spending money ( the chap singled out the fox as it would make him more money by the way ) but it’s not ok to kill a fox, leave it in a field and make money from rich people taking part, as of course, it’s only rich people involved in hunting ............oh hang on, it isn’t the rich people thing isn’t it, no, what kind of stupid would think like that...
What a privilege to have selective morals, I’d hate to think it was a class issue, nope, nothing to do with it eh........


Oh and I like the dressing as clowns comment, really singles you out as informed, not at all desperate and melodramatic......


Tally ho............

You are living up to your name again.

I live in the country and i was born and brought up in the country and have rabbited with ferrets and rifles since i was about 12 (used the ferrets much younger).

I still shoot on occasion ,My brother and his wife and daughter are all heavily involved with the isle of wight hunt and i can assure you they are clowns, they think it is fun chasing around the countryside after mr fox, but even my idiot brother will freely admit if you want to control foxes the hunt is not the way to do it.

there is a very large amount of perceived social climbing involved in both attending and becoming a member of the hunt even though real old money know exactly the type of person who thinks being in the hunt raises their status.

other than providing a small amount of beer money for country types(you will also find them reffing on clayshoots) the hunt adds nothing to country life.

Must be hard being the ODD one out in the family.

In case your too thick, I am giving your views the same amount of respect you give to those of your family.

[popeyewhite]

citizensm1th said:

other than providing a small amount of beer money for country types(you will also find them reffing on clayshoots) the hunt adds nothing to country life.

Isn't horse riding part of country life? Or are the horses associated with hunts ridden in urban areas all the time It was my understanding that to train a horse to jump fences you had to have a field of sorts to practice in? Isn't that what the whole sport of horsejumping is based on? And even if a horse owner doesn't join in hunts you can bet they've jumped fences at some stage. What about the employment of all the stable boys/girls who look after the horses - don't they all add to the culture of country life? I'd also point out that not everyone who takes part in a hunt is a 'toff'. Some very normal people chug up with a battered horsebox behind an old 4x4 on the day of the hunt. It's quite a good leveller. If anything clay shoots are more snobby, grouse shoots even more so. These people are brought into contact with the countryside and don't want to cover it with houses - they want to enjoy its open spaces - how on Earth can anyone say that's adding nothing to country life?

Edited by popeyewhite on Thursday 27th December 20:43

[stichill99]

I would quite like to see some animal rights activists challenge the Hare Coursers. Although most of the illegal hare coursers around our area would be up for a discussion with said animal righters it might go along the lines of 'If you don't f**k o** I will stab you you cun*. But it would be nice for the animal righters to meet some lower class animal murderers so they could explain their views and I might believe that they aren't against fox hunting for class warfare reasons. Tally Ho

[eccles]

thetrickcyclist said:

In case your too thick,

[citizensm1th]

popeyewhite said:

citizensm1th said:

other than providing a small amount of beer money for country types(you will also find them reffing on clayshoots) the hunt adds nothing to country life.

Isn't horse riding part of country life? Or are the horses associated with hunts ridden in urban areas all the time It was my understanding that to train a horse to jump fences you had to have a field of sorts to practice in? Isn't that what the whole sport of horsejumping is based on? And even if a horse owner doesn't join in hunts you can bet they've jumped fences at some stage. What about the employment of all the stable boys/girls who look after the horses - don't they all add to the culture of country life? I'd also point out that not everyone who takes part in a hunt is a 'toff'. Some very normal people chug up with a battered horsebox behind an old 4x4 on the day of the hunt. It's quite a good leveller. If anything clay shoots are more snobby, grouse shoots even more so. These people are brought into contact with the countryside and don't want to cover it with houses - they want to enjoy its open spaces - how on Earth can anyone say that's adding nothing to country life?

Edited by popeyewhite on Thursday 27th December 20:43

you think people would stop riding their nags if hunting with hounds stopped do you?

you should try english sporting clays great mix of types taking part not like skeet

[citizensm1th]

eccles said:

thetrickcyclist said:

In case your too thick,

eckzackerly M'Lord.

[ClaphamGT3]

I haven't hunted for years now as my horsemanship just isn't up to it but, having grown up in a hunting family, I'm a supporter. I believe that it does a great deal to benefit the countryside, both in terms of husbandary & conservation of the land and in terms of economic benefit to the rural community.

As a way of controlling the fox population, however, it sucks.

[citizensm1th]

ClaphamGT3 said:

I haven't hunted for years now as my horsemanship just isn't up to it but, having grown up in a hunting family, I'm a supporter. I believe that it does a great deal to benefit the countryside, both in terms of husbandary & conservation of the land and in terms of economic benefit to the rural community.

As a way of controlling the fox population, however, it sucks.

Come on be honest it is done for the thrill of it the rest is very much secondary, and as for economic benefit that would not change in any way other than the kennel man needing to find a new job.

the not very yummy mommy in her range rover would still want tubby little angelica to ride her horse fox hunt or not.

[gazza285]

Good for conservation...

https://www.google.com/search?b&q=gamekeeper+p...

I understand the need for pest control, but that is much better done with a rifle.

As for "do I own a cat?" What the fk has that got to do with anything? I don't kill other natural predators to encourage the local mice population to keep my cat happy, also, if I keep feeding my cat, it can't be arsed to hunt anything.
Would well fed foxhounds be that bothered about chasing a fox?

It's all about the thrill of the chase at the end of the day, and while I don't agree with the killing of wildlife as a source of fun, I can understand the excitement of the chase, it's the same feeling that makes participating in sport exciting, even if you are the tail runner, you are still chasing the person in front. It's what makes spectating exciting, and gambling exciting, not much difference between spectating and speculating, however in sport, you have a victor, in hunting you have a loser.

[johnxjsc1985]

citizensm1th said:

Come on be honest it is done for the thrill of it the rest is very much secondary, and as for economic benefit that would not change in any way other than the kennel man needing to find a new job.

the not very yummy mommy in her range rover would still want tubby little angelica to ride her horse fox hunt or not.

what planet do you live on. I get the feeling there is more than a degree of jealousy about the perceived wealth of these people. Two season tickets at Arsenal could set you back £3500.00p probably more than Yummy Mummys costs for "Angelica".
This has nothing to do with Foxes for most protestors its just a way to get at those nasty Tories who have far too much money

[citizensm1th]

johnxjsc1985 said:

citizensm1th said:

Come on be honest it is done for the thrill of it the rest is very much secondary, and as for economic benefit that would not change in any way other than the kennel man needing to find a new job.

the not very yummy mommy in her range rover would still want tubby little angelica to ride her horse fox hunt or not.

what planet do you live on. I get the feeling there is more than a degree of jealousy about the perceived wealth of these people. Two season tickets at Arsenal could set you back £3500.00p probably more than Yummy Mummys costs for "Angelica".
This has nothing to do with Foxes for most protestors its just a way to get at those nasty Tories who have far too much money

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