Discussion
Halb said:
wiggy001 said:
To lighten the mood and remind us of what site we are on.... I think more foxes are killed on the roads than by hunting, so let's ban hunting and buy more cars and everyone is happy! 
Baggsy the Range Rover!popeyewhite said:
desolate said:
They haven't got the nuts to be open about what they are actually fighting for so accuse everyone else of being ignorant townies.
I think a major problem is some antis have an idealised view of rural life and simply don't grasp how tough life is for many working farmers today. To them the fox is a pest, full stop, and any method of getting rid of them is fine. Fortunately fox populations in rural areas are declining, which should please both parties - less vermin for farmers to contend with (and less for hunts to chase) and more urban foxes for 'townies' to pet. My uncle was a farmer, when the bottom dropped out of the milk market he moved into grain and beef farming. He never needed to shoot foxes because they dont eat corn and barley or bother the cattle, plus he didn't really have the time to be dicking around on a horse with a pack of hounds. Fox hunting is something the idle middle/upper class do and they use every excuse in the book to keep on doing it.
sugerbear said:
My uncle was a farmer, when the bottom dropped out of the milk market he moved into grain and beef farming. He never needed to shoot foxes because they dont eat corn and barley or bother the cattle, plus he didn't really have the time to be dicking around on a horse with a pack of hounds. Fox hunting is something the idle middle/upper class do and they use every excuse in the book to keep on doing it.
Try sheep farming, or free range poultry...Since there are so many urban foxes its as if they get rounded up and released around me. Keeping them under control keeps the game keeper busy on the shoot...
battered said:
You also won't find the UK retailers knowingly taking on fur or meat from places that maltreated animals, that would be commercial suicide. The retailers go to great lengths to avoid that, because it could sink them.
How long did some retailers sell tainted meat for before they realised/it was uncovered as being tainted with horse meat?lemmingjames said:
How long did some retailers sell tainted meat for before they realised/it was uncovered as being tainted with horse meat?
For as long as they were defrauded by criminal suppliers. Scandals like Horsegate are precisely why the retailers go to great lengths to protect themselves, and the huge financial fallout when they are caught out demonstrates why they do so.I supply the retailers and I see their due diligence at first hand. If the retailers had knowingly supplied horse, then your question would be worth asking. As it stands the legal cases between retailers and the supply chain are still going on, and some individuals in the supply chain who knew what was going on have been imprisoned for it.
I was working for a meat pie manufacturer at the time, we supplied Tesco, Aldi, and others. Our stuff tested out OK, we were using trustworthy suppliers who weren't buying from the ones who turned out to be crims. However there is a certain amount of luck in that statement, if there are criminals out there then you can only protect yourself so much. You lock your doors at night, but during the day you leave the house empty.
wiggy001 said:
The reports all suggest the cost to farmers is small and I would assume that farmers, being businessmen, pass these costs onto the consumer. Is this not correct?
Dear Mr AsdaThose pesky foxes have been at the birds again, and I've lost £10k worth of stock. I'm going to have to get some uber fencing installed to thwart the little beggers. The fence cost is c£20k, but dont worry I'll just pass the cost onto you.
Yours
A.Farmer
Dear Mr Farmer
We've decided next year we need to reduce our costs on the whole chicken and egg thing, so will be paying you less for your products. We've decided we're going to pay you £x instead of this years £xx. If you dont like this, we'll find a supplier that does.
Yours
Mr Asda
Stickyfinger said:
Leptons said:
Thinking outside the box, Allow hunting but muzzle the Dogs. When the fox is caught/tired shoot it. Everyone's happy.
Next.
Stop smoking sNext.
t drugsHounds only kill foxes, because they've been trained to.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36598935
El stovey said:
Pretty sick. Same sort of mind that goes with badger baiting, dog-fighting and sticking cats in microwaves.Leptons said:
Thinking outside the box, Allow hunting but muzzle the Dogs. When the fox is caught/tired shoot it. Everyone's happy.
Next.
Not everyone. The fox still gets the s**t scared out of it being chased across the fields which won't please the the anti-hunting contingent, and the type of kill won't satisfy some of those in favour of hunting.Next.
Edited by kingston12 on Saturday 20th May 13:09
Leptons said:
Thinking outside the box, Allow hunting but muzzle the Dogs. When the fox is caught/tired shoot it. Everyone's happy.
Next.
Not everyone. The fox still gets the s**t scared out of it being chased across the fields which won't please the the anti-hunting contingent, and the type of kill won't satisfy some of those in favour of hunting.Next.
Edited by kingston12 on Monday 22 May 20:11
Had them at the back of the house for years. Lots of people feed them and watching them play is wonderful.
Never cause anyone any issues. Even our cats sit watching them.
Perhaps leaving food out for them would save your chickens...
Getting dressed up like a tosser and becoming an animal torturing prick, isn't really the answer.
Never cause anyone any issues. Even our cats sit watching them.
Perhaps leaving food out for them would save your chickens...
Getting dressed up like a tosser and becoming an animal torturing prick, isn't really the answer.
Halb said:
El stovey said:
Pretty sick. Same sort of mind that goes with badger baiting, dog-fighting and sticking cats in microwaves.king 'cultural' pastime and it's more than population control I'm afraid. It's sick enjoyment to some.The people that partake, seem to like to play dress up - but then act tough - all at the same time. It's hilarious. Kind of.
LDN said:
The people that partake, seem to like to play dress up - but then act tough - all at the same time. It's hilarious. Kind of.
Digby said:
Had them at the back of the house for years. Lots of people feed them and watching them play is wonderful.
Getting dressed up like a tosser and becoming an animal torturing prick, isn't really the answer.
It must be Sunday?Getting dressed up like a tosser and becoming an animal torturing prick, isn't really the answer.
Well, that has saved me from having to go to church today.
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