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A57 HSV said:
Most farmers I know want to have as much biodiversity of flora and fauna as is practical. Which is why they continue to provide coverts.
Perhaps you've forgotten, but as I previously mentioned, fit and healthy foxes will take rabbits and rats. They'll also take newborn fawns and of course any carrion.
The Heythrop was hounded (excuse the pun) by Gavin Grant the highly politicised
RSPCA chief executive. After six failed attempts to prosecute the Heythrop, the RSPCA decided not use their In house legal team and instead hired the city law firm Fishburns at a cost of £326,980. The Heythrop couldn't afford to defend themselves. Full story:
http://www.williampowell.com/blog/news/the-rspca-t...
What has any of the above flora and fauna chat got to do with events which result in tearing exhausted animals to pieces?Perhaps you've forgotten, but as I previously mentioned, fit and healthy foxes will take rabbits and rats. They'll also take newborn fawns and of course any carrion.
The Heythrop was hounded (excuse the pun) by Gavin Grant the highly politicised
RSPCA chief executive. After six failed attempts to prosecute the Heythrop, the RSPCA decided not use their In house legal team and instead hired the city law firm Fishburns at a cost of £326,980. The Heythrop couldn't afford to defend themselves. Full story:
http://www.williampowell.com/blog/news/the-rspca-t...
From your link, it was only a little bit of criminality...so that's ok, then?
Digby said:
A57 HSV said:
Most farmers I know want to have as much biodiversity of flora and fauna as is practical. Which is why they continue to provide coverts.
Perhaps you've forgotten, but as I previously mentioned, fit and healthy foxes will take rabbits and rats. They'll also take newborn fawns and of course any carrion.
The Heythrop was hounded (excuse the pun) by Gavin Grant the highly politicised
RSPCA chief executive. After six failed attempts to prosecute the Heythrop, the RSPCA decided not use their In house legal team and instead hired the city law firm Fishburns at a cost of £326,980. The Heythrop couldn't afford to defend themselves. Full story:
http://www.williampowell.com/blog/news/the-rspca-t...
What has any of the above flora and fauna chat got to do with events which result in tearing exhausted animals to pieces?Perhaps you've forgotten, but as I previously mentioned, fit and healthy foxes will take rabbits and rats. They'll also take newborn fawns and of course any carrion.
The Heythrop was hounded (excuse the pun) by Gavin Grant the highly politicised
RSPCA chief executive. After six failed attempts to prosecute the Heythrop, the RSPCA decided not use their In house legal team and instead hired the city law firm Fishburns at a cost of £326,980. The Heythrop couldn't afford to defend themselves. Full story:
http://www.williampowell.com/blog/news/the-rspca-t...
From your link, it was only a little bit of criminality...so that's ok, then?
k, I'd thought you'd gone.So, about those babies, pregnant mums et al and your cringeworthy reluctance to answer (or forevermore to communicate with Sticky about), huh?
Exhausted animals? The chases that ended in kills were often relatively short, the fox being either old, sick or injured. Longer chases were the result of a fit and healthy fox putting a big distance between it and the hounds and more often than not getting away.
If you do some research, you'll see the weight and jaw size of all the different breeds of fox hound are significantly greater than that of a fox. Resulting in a quick death.
Actually, the carcass of the dead fox is more often that not not "torn to pieces". Although I can't see why it matters when it is.
I'll explain again, that most farmers like biodiversity of flora and fauna on their land. Which means that they not want to eradicate the fox population.
If you do some research, you'll see the weight and jaw size of all the different breeds of fox hound are significantly greater than that of a fox. Resulting in a quick death.
Actually, the carcass of the dead fox is more often that not not "torn to pieces". Although I can't see why it matters when it is.
I'll explain again, that most farmers like biodiversity of flora and fauna on their land. Which means that they not want to eradicate the fox population.
Edited by A57 HSV on Saturday 27th May 01:42
Ah that's ok, then.
Nice for them to hunt old, sick and injured foxes. I can see they must be a real threat. Do they diagnose before the torture starts?
Create the types of hunts you prefer in your head, ignore any wrongdoing, have no interest in animals being pointlessly torn to bits...I get it.
Sounds just like the type of person who would ignore the law due to "tradition"
Nice for them to hunt old, sick and injured foxes. I can see they must be a real threat. Do they diagnose before the torture starts?
Create the types of hunts you prefer in your head, ignore any wrongdoing, have no interest in animals being pointlessly torn to bits...I get it.
Sounds just like the type of person who would ignore the law due to "tradition"
Edited by Digby on Saturday 27th May 08:12
tumble dryer said:
...your cringeworthy reluctance to answer (or forevermore to communicate with Sticky about), huh?
Ask him. It was his idea. Are you focusing only on me and not him because you don't like what I have to say? How odd. It's like some form of virtual brotherhood where people gang up......a bit like those tossers on horses!
Digby said:
Ah that's ok, then.
Nice for them to hunt old, sick and injured foxes. I can see they must be a real threat. Do they diagnose before the torture starts?
Create the types of hunts you prefer in your head, ignore any wrongdoing, have no interest in animals being pointlessly torn to bits...I get it.
Sounds just like the type of person who would ignore the law due to "tradition"
What's "nice" got to do with this? I find this whole fox hunting thing weird, but if you tried to explain "nice" to a fox, it would listen long and hard right before tourturing a garden full of chickens, or if food is short, eating its own young.....nice doesn't exist in nature.Nice for them to hunt old, sick and injured foxes. I can see they must be a real threat. Do they diagnose before the torture starts?
Create the types of hunts you prefer in your head, ignore any wrongdoing, have no interest in animals being pointlessly torn to bits...I get it.
Sounds just like the type of person who would ignore the law due to "tradition"
Edited by Digby on Saturday 27th May 08:12
Why was fox hunting banned and not angling. Angling causes pain and death to many fold more creatures than fox hunting. Could it be a class thing?
Fox hunting is seen by the majority of people to be a sick 'blood' sport. 'Will of the people' and all that 
It should stay banned because anyone that makes a sport, and a spectacle, out of population control is basically a dhead. The coincidence being that; I've met many a fox hunter and by in large; they have been dheads. Funny that! The pomp and ceremony is a joke; as in - it's literally hilarious - and there's been enough criminal activity surrounding this 'tradition' to warrant it being deemed as it is, by the massive majority of the population.
Get with the program chaps. You're head is buried six feet under; you're in a small minority; perhaps not on Pistonheads; but I suppose this is where you're opinions remain, for the most part.
It should stay banned because anyone that makes a sport, and a spectacle, out of population control is basically a d
head. The coincidence being that; I've met many a fox hunter and by in large; they have been dheads. Funny that! The pomp and ceremony is a joke; as in - it's literally hilarious - and there's been enough criminal activity surrounding this 'tradition' to warrant it being deemed as it is, by the massive majority of the population.Get with the program chaps. You're head is buried six feet under; you're in a small minority; perhaps not on Pistonheads; but I suppose this is where you're opinions remain, for the most part.
Digby said:
tumble dryer said:
...your cringeworthy reluctance to answer (or forevermore to communicate with Sticky about), huh?
Ask him. It was his idea. Are you focusing only on me and not him because you don't like what I have to say? How odd. It's like some form of virtual brotherhood where people gang up......a bit like those tossers on horses!Water getting a bit too hot for your liking…??
There have been many Pro hunters on this thread who have at least tried to offer explanations for their chosen ‘hobby’ in the full knowledge that their views were unlikely to change anything – but still they proffered their opinions, reasons and justifications.
Could you be feeling, perchance, a tad insecure about your own chosen lifestyle preferences? (Awaits politicianesque levels of obfuscation, deflection and goalpost moving, but awaits for an answer nonetheless.)
LDN said:
Fox hunting is seen by the majority of people to be a sick 'blood' sport. 'Will of the people' and all that
The subjugation of the few by the many, or the tyranny of the majority; take your pick.LDN said:
It should stay banned because anyone that makes a sport, and a spectacle, out of population control is basically a dhead. The coincidence being that; I've met many a fox hunter and by in large; they have been dheads. Funny that! The pomp and ceremony is a joke; as in - it's literally hilarious - and there's been enough criminal activity surrounding this 'tradition' to warrant it being deemed as it is, by the massive majority of the population.
Get with the program chaps. You're head is buried six feet under; you're in a small minority; perhaps not on Pistonheads; but I suppose this is where you're opinions remain, for the most part.
There really is nothing quite as liberating to a society as having ones moral codes dictated by others.head. The coincidence being that; I've met many a fox hunter and by in large; they have been dheads. Funny that! The pomp and ceremony is a joke; as in - it's literally hilarious - and there's been enough criminal activity surrounding this 'tradition' to warrant it being deemed as it is, by the massive majority of the population.Get with the program chaps. You're head is buried six feet under; you're in a small minority; perhaps not on Pistonheads; but I suppose this is where you're opinions remain, for the most part.
Goaty Bill 2 said:
LDN said:
Fox hunting is seen by the majority of people to be a sick 'blood' sport. 'Will of the people' and all that
The subjugation of the few by the many, or the tyranny of the majority; take your pick.LDN said:
It should stay banned because anyone that makes a sport, and a spectacle, out of population control is basically a dhead. The coincidence being that; I've met many a fox hunter and by in large; they have been dheads. Funny that! The pomp and ceremony is a joke; as in - it's literally hilarious - and there's been enough criminal activity surrounding this 'tradition' to warrant it being deemed as it is, by the massive majority of the population.
Get with the program chaps. You're head is buried six feet under; you're in a small minority; perhaps not on Pistonheads; but I suppose this is where you're opinions remain, for the most part.
There really is nothing quite as liberating to a society as having ones moral codes dictated by others.head. The coincidence being that; I've met many a fox hunter and by in large; they have been dheads. Funny that! The pomp and ceremony is a joke; as in - it's literally hilarious - and there's been enough criminal activity surrounding this 'tradition' to warrant it being deemed as it is, by the massive majority of the population.Get with the program chaps. You're head is buried six feet under; you're in a small minority; perhaps not on Pistonheads; but I suppose this is where you're opinions remain, for the most part.
Don't be a tart and try to avoid being so melodramatic.
Liokault said:
Why was fox hunting banned and not angling. Angling causes pain and death to many fold more creatures than fox hunting. Could it be a class thing?
Lots of people who make the most fuss about fox hunting would also like to see fishing banned. I guess it's a case of one thing at a time.Goaty Bill 2 said:
There really is nothing quite as liberating to a society as having ones moral codes dictated by others.
Isn't that usually what happens? I am not sure how well society would work if everyone was allowed to do exactly what they wanted to.Edited by kingston12 on Saturday 27th May 09:36
Goaty Bill 2 said:
LDN said:
Fox hunting is seen by the majority of people to be a sick 'blood' sport. 'Will of the people' and all that
The subjugation of the few by the many, or the tyranny of the majority; take your pick.There really is nothing quite as liberating to a society as having ones moral codes dictated by others.
Surely the whole point in a democratic society is the have moral codes decided by the majority.
LDN said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
LDN said:
Fox hunting is seen by the majority of people to be a sick 'blood' sport. 'Will of the people' and all that
The subjugation of the few by the many, or the tyranny of the majority; take your pick.LDN said:
It should stay banned because anyone that makes a sport, and a spectacle, out of population control is basically a dhead. The coincidence being that; I've met many a fox hunter and by in large; they have been dheads. Funny that! The pomp and ceremony is a joke; as in - it's literally hilarious - and there's been enough criminal activity surrounding this 'tradition' to warrant it being deemed as it is, by the massive majority of the population.
Get with the program chaps. You're head is buried six feet under; you're in a small minority; perhaps not on Pistonheads; but I suppose this is where you're opinions remain, for the most part.
There really is nothing quite as liberating to a society as having ones moral codes dictated by others.head. The coincidence being that; I've met many a fox hunter and by in large; they have been dheads. Funny that! The pomp and ceremony is a joke; as in - it's literally hilarious - and there's been enough criminal activity surrounding this 'tradition' to warrant it being deemed as it is, by the massive majority of the population.Get with the program chaps. You're head is buried six feet under; you're in a small minority; perhaps not on Pistonheads; but I suppose this is where you're opinions remain, for the most part.
Don't be a tart and try to avoid being so melodramatic.
Bravo!
It must be lovely to feel so unassailably superior.
Goaty Bill 2 said:
LDN said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
LDN said:
Fox hunting is seen by the majority of people to be a sick 'blood' sport. 'Will of the people' and all that
The subjugation of the few by the many, or the tyranny of the majority; take your pick.LDN said:
It should stay banned because anyone that makes a sport, and a spectacle, out of population control is basically a dhead. The coincidence being that; I've met many a fox hunter and by in large; they have been dheads. Funny that! The pomp and ceremony is a joke; as in - it's literally hilarious - and there's been enough criminal activity surrounding this 'tradition' to warrant it being deemed as it is, by the massive majority of the population.
Get with the program chaps. You're head is buried six feet under; you're in a small minority; perhaps not on Pistonheads; but I suppose this is where you're opinions remain, for the most part.
There really is nothing quite as liberating to a society as having ones moral codes dictated by others.head. The coincidence being that; I've met many a fox hunter and by in large; they have been dheads. Funny that! The pomp and ceremony is a joke; as in - it's literally hilarious - and there's been enough criminal activity surrounding this 'tradition' to warrant it being deemed as it is, by the massive majority of the population.Get with the program chaps. You're head is buried six feet under; you're in a small minority; perhaps not on Pistonheads; but I suppose this is where you're opinions remain, for the most part.
Don't be a tart and try to avoid being so melodramatic.
Bravo!
It must be lovely to feel so unassailably superior.
kingston12 said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
There really is nothing quite as liberating to a society as having ones moral codes dictated by others.
Isn't that usually what happens? I am not sure how well society would work if everyone was allowed to do exactly what they wanted to.Edited by kingston12 on Saturday 27th May 09:36
Order66 said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
LDN said:
Fox hunting is seen by the majority of people to be a sick 'blood' sport. 'Will of the people' and all that
The subjugation of the few by the many, or the tyranny of the majority; take your pick.There really is nothing quite as liberating to a society as having ones moral codes dictated by others.
Surely the whole point in a democratic society is the have moral codes decided by the majority.
There is also a very large difference between morals and laws designed to protect people from the misdeeds of others.
LDN said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
LDN said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
LDN said:
Fox hunting is seen by the majority of people to be a sick 'blood' sport. 'Will of the people' and all that
The subjugation of the few by the many, or the tyranny of the majority; take your pick.LDN said:
It should stay banned because anyone that makes a sport, and a spectacle, out of population control is basically a dhead. The coincidence being that; I've met many a fox hunter and by in large; they have been dheads. Funny that! The pomp and ceremony is a joke; as in - it's literally hilarious - and there's been enough criminal activity surrounding this 'tradition' to warrant it being deemed as it is, by the massive majority of the population.
Get with the program chaps. You're head is buried six feet under; you're in a small minority; perhaps not on Pistonheads; but I suppose this is where you're opinions remain, for the most part.
There really is nothing quite as liberating to a society as having ones moral codes dictated by others.head. The coincidence being that; I've met many a fox hunter and by in large; they have been dheads. Funny that! The pomp and ceremony is a joke; as in - it's literally hilarious - and there's been enough criminal activity surrounding this 'tradition' to warrant it being deemed as it is, by the massive majority of the population.Get with the program chaps. You're head is buried six feet under; you're in a small minority; perhaps not on Pistonheads; but I suppose this is where you're opinions remain, for the most part.
Don't be a tart and try to avoid being so melodramatic.
Bravo!
It must be lovely to feel so unassailably superior.
What we have is poeple posting against foxhunting being labelled as trolls or acused of refusing to listen or whatever.
Then when it's correctly pointed out that we live in a democracy and the anti view is actually the majority and the ban was passed by a democraticly elected government and never been overthrown since that government has been replaced, it's somehow tyranny and imposing morality on others.
Goaty Bill 2 said:
There really is a very large gap between a liberal society and anarchy.
There is also a very large difference between morals and laws designed to protect people from the misdeeds of others.
I doubt many people would compare fox hunting to serious crimes against the person, but if the moral code of a small minority is totally the opposite of the vast majority then I don't see why that shouldn't be legislated upon.There is also a very large difference between morals and laws designed to protect people from the misdeeds of others.
Of course, I am basing this on an opinion poll showing 85% of the population being opposed to hunting, and we know how accurate polls are these days! If the real situation is vastly different to that, then the hunting ban definitely should be reviewed in my opinion.
Hopefully for the pro-hunting lobby they have got stronger arguments to repeal the ban than the central theme on here which seems to be "thick townie trolls can never understand the ways of the country". There just aren't enough country folk to push that through.
Edited by kingston12 on Saturday 27th May 11:39
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