Fox Hunting

[Colonial]

Digby said:

Colonial said:

I mean a reason apart from mumbles about the social aspect and traditions which aren't really justifications.

I wish you luck. More importantly, do you like burgers and do you drive a car?

I like burgers. Do you like the cows for your burgers killed quickly or chased around fields for hours for entertainment before being maybe killed maybe not?

[wiggy001]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

An open minded Summary would have been more appropriate as opposed to the skewed version you helpfully gave.

As I said, it's all based on opinion an bias (mine and those that are pro hunting).

[wiggy001]

Stickyfinger said:

wiggy001 said:

To summarise the emotional anti hunting agenda, the main points are:

Corrected that for you............

You really haven't. I didn't once mention chasing a fox to exhaustion before ripping it apart. I tried to keep it factual, albeit with my anti-hunting bias.

As usual you have nothing constructive to add to the argument.

[Stickyfinger]

Endless information has been given to you (by many others) and my position and reasons fully explained, you however choose to continue to use emotional phrases that do not represent my words, position or the basic information I have (and others) have supplied you with.

Carry on

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For example from A57.................to Digby
"I've already explained to you that old, injured and sick foxes aren't able to hunt to and catch as efficiently as a fit and healthy fox. As such they'll resort to easier prey such as newborn lambs, even if that means taking higher risks.

Why torture? Again, it's already been explained to you that the considerable power to weight ratio of a fox hound over a fox will result in a
quick death.The subsequent breaking up of the carcass, if it occurs, is not a welfare consideration as the fox is already dead."

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Edited by Stickyfinger on Tuesday 30th May 11:00

[A57 HSV]

Colonial said:

dudleybloke said:

The important question is what do alpacas taste like?

Probably halfway between kangaroo and venison.

I've never eaten it, nor seen it offered. I've been told by a friend who keeps alpacas that their meat is very low in fat and tastes not unlike lamb.

[Digby]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

The reasoned debate stopped pages ago when you waded in TBH

Of course it did.

Look how utterly out of order and childish I have been.

Cyclist thread was the same.

Numerous pro-cyclists absolutely refusing in any way, shape, or form to acknowledge other opinions and options etc.

The facts are on the table; people who choose to ignore them often based on nothing more than their fear of upsetting country life are utterly pointless debating with.

Your response is classic 'internet' Can't win a debate? Start slagging people off, ask stupid questions and turn the entire thing into a comedy.

As I say, I welcome it because almost everyone now knows it shows such people know they are wrong and have nothing left to say.

Denying it's a sport based on social activity and tradition is no different to saying Scientology isn't a cult.

Ever tried to have a serious chat with a scientologist to explain to them it's all total bks?

They act exactly the same as some here.

So no, the reasoned debate stopped when people refused to acknowledge the facts over and over and over and over and over.....

You may now think of something argumentative and belittling to confirm everything I have just said. After all, we can't lose a debate on the internet, can we? We simply have to win no matter what.

[wiggy001]

Stickyfinger said:

Endless information has been given to you (by many others) and my position and reasons fully explained, you however choose to continue to use emotional phrases that do not represent my words, position or the basic information I have (and others) have supplied you with.

Carry on

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edit:
For example from A57.................to Digby
"I've already explained to you that old, injured and sick foxes aren't able to hunt to and catch as efficiently as a fit and healthy fox. As such they'll resort to easier prey such as newborn lambs, even if that means taking higher risks.

Why torture? Again, it's already been explained to you that the considerable power to weight ratio of a fox hound over a fox will result in a
quick death.The subsequent breaking up of the carcass, if it occurs, is not a welfare consideration as the fox is already dead."

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Edited by Stickyfinger on Tuesday 30th May 11:00

This is what I keep saying about your posts. How does that example of information counter anything I put in my last post? It's like you deliberately answer a question that hasn't been asked because the one's being asked are a bit difficult. It's so frustrating.

Let's try a simple one:

Is it possible to install fences that will keep a fox out of a lamb enclosure?

Hint: It's a simple yes or no answer...

[Digby]

kingston12 said:

I think Theresa May summarised the argument reasonably well when she was questioned on hunting again over the weekend. "I was brought up in the country, so I support hunting".

There doesn't seem to be any other particularly valid reason as far as I can see, and this is why the gap will never be bridged. I will never understand the reasoning and mentality of wanting to hunt foxes, those on the other side of the divide will never understand that viewpoint.

And there you have it.

Have a Mr Cameron, too..

[A57 HSV]

wiggy001 said:

Stickyfinger said:

Endless information has been given to you (by many others) and my position and reasons fully explained, you however choose to continue to use emotional phrases that do not represent my words, position or the basic information I have (and others) have supplied you with.

Carry on

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edit:
For example from A57.................to Digby
"I've already explained to you that old, injured and sick foxes aren't able to hunt to and catch as efficiently as a fit and healthy fox. As such they'll resort to easier prey such as newborn lambs, even if that means taking higher risks.

Why torture? Again, it's already been explained to you that the considerable power to weight ratio of a fox hound over a fox will result in a
quick death.The subsequent breaking up of the carcass, if it occurs, is not a welfare consideration as the fox is already dead."

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Edited by Stickyfinger on Tuesday 30th May 11:00

This is what I keep saying about your posts. How does that example of information counter anything I put in my last post? It's like you deliberately answer a question that hasn't been asked because the one's being asked are a bit difficult. It's so frustrating.

Let's try a simple one:

Is it possible to install fences that will keep a fox out of a lamb enclosure?

Hint: It's a simple yes or no answer...

From a practical and legal standpoint the answer would have to be no.
If you've visited hill farms in Wales and Cumbria, which I have on many occasions, you'd know why.

[Stickyfinger]

wiggy001 said:

This is what I keep saying about your posts. How does that example of information counter anything I put in my last post? It's like you deliberately answer a question that hasn't been asked because the one's being asked are a bit difficult. It's so frustrating.

Let's try a simple one:

Is it possible to install fences that will keep a fox out of a lamb enclosure?

Hint: It's a simple yes or no answer...

JHC man.....do you have ANY knowledge of farming and how your food is produced/reared ?

Please explain what a lamb enclosure is ?
Would it be like this ?

[Colonial]

Stickyfinger said:

JHC man.....do you have ANY knowledge of farming and how your food is produced/reared ?

Please explain what a lamb enclosure is ?
Would it be like this ?

Absolutely.

Get an Australian farm hand with a gun out for 3 nights and the problem will be solved without undue harm and needless impacts on other landholdings.

[Stickyfinger]

Colonial said:

Absolutely.

Get an Australian farm hand with a gun out for 3 nights and the problem will be solved without undue harm and needless impacts on other landholdings.

again I have to resort to previous post due to you not bothering to read the thread it seems.

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It is about culling vermin thus establishing a balance in the countryside.

I take pride in my method and skills to achieve the result (dead fox) ...thus I regard THAT as the sport. The two are separate.

"Pleasure" is gained from the skills used correctly and the quality of the shot that commits the act. Pleasure is never taken in the death of any animal.

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The "pack" however is very targeted against the fox that does predate on lambs unlike shooting hence my support for the pack as a method DESPITE it having an impact on the shooting (reduction)

[Colonial]

I'm amazed you think that is a justifiable and reasonable position.

[Stickyfinger]

Colonial said:

I'm amazed you think that is a justifiable and reasonable position.

Pls be specific....so I do not misunderstand

If you refer to the reasons the pack is better then I refer you to the post at the top of this page regarding the speed a pack does its job.

[wiggy001]

Stickyfinger said:

JHC man.....do you have ANY knowledge of farming and how your food is produced/reared ?

Please explain what a lamb enclosure is ?
Would it be like this ?

It might be. It might also be something like this:


You could of course have simply answered the question but instead you chose not to. It's really tiring trying to discuss this with you.

[A57 HSV]

Hunts run a call out service for farmers, hounds can sometimes pick up the scent of the specific fox that has been taking the lambs. This was common practise on Fell and Hill farms.

[A57 HSV]

wiggy001 said:

Stickyfinger said:

JHC man.....do you have ANY knowledge of farming and how your food is produced/reared ?

Please explain what a lamb enclosure is ?
Would it be like this ?

It might be. It might also be something like this:


You could of course have simply answered the question but instead you chose not to. It's really tiring trying to discuss this with you.

With respect, that post shows your ignorance, as the wire fence is not in anyway fox proof.

[A57 HSV]

You'd need a fence like this, which is also buried into the ground. Access has to be strictly controlled so no public right of way.


However, sheep aren't, thank goodness, reared intensively in the UK. They are grazing animals and require either large areas, as in Fell and Hill farming (poorer quality pasture) or moving between fields as in lowland farming.

Edited by A57 HSV on Tuesday 30th May 12:29

[Stickyfinger]

wiggy001 said:

It might be. It might also be something like this:


You could of course have simply answered the question but instead you chose not to. It's really tiring trying to discuss this with you.

FFS man....before you make such a fool of yourself learn a little of the basics about what you are discussing. That fence is purely to prevent the lambs getting out.

[wiggy001]

Stickyfinger said:

wiggy001 said:

It might be. It might also be something like this:


You could of course have simply answered the question but instead you chose not to. It's really tiring trying to discuss this with you.

FFS man....before you make such a fool of yourself learn a little of the basics about what you are discussing. That fence is purely to prevent the lambs getting out.

Haha - do you honestly think I was suggesting that wire fence was in any way fox proof?! Of course it's not! You posted a picture of a large expanse of farmland in a valley, presumably to demonstrate that fox-proof fencing wasn't practical. I showed an alternative image with wire fencing which could presumably be swapped for something fox-proof.

The fact that you have such a low expectation of anyone that disagrees with you says volumes and probably accounts for your arrogance.