Moped muggers and police bike chase laws
Discussion
La Liga said:
The stop and searching may have been excessive (apparently 71 times over 3/4 years), and the officers involved may have got themselves in a pickle whether they stuck to policy, but his death is no one's fault but his own.
He chose to fail to stop (probably because he was dealing cannabis) on his moped which was fitted with engine too powerful for the bike.
If we want a police force confident in pursuing those on bikes who fail to stop, then we need to be clear about who is responsible when it goes wrong.
It's understandable the family / friends want someone other than him to blame, but the system needs to make it clear he caused his own death.
Which the inquest duly didn't, so moped muggers will continue to remain almost untouchableHe chose to fail to stop (probably because he was dealing cannabis) on his moped which was fitted with engine too powerful for the bike.
If we want a police force confident in pursuing those on bikes who fail to stop, then we need to be clear about who is responsible when it goes wrong.
It's understandable the family / friends want someone other than him to blame, but the system needs to make it clear he caused his own death.
The stop search number was actually 89 in 3 years.
They're not untouchable, I understand tonight's programme showed some being apprehended, although I don't know the circumstances as to why. One of the issues is if we have a bad outcome it takes a lot of time for things to get resolved and concluded. This is into the third year now.
The primary focus of the jury was whether or not it was a pursuit. The officers claimed it wasn't, the jury concluded it was. I think with the time scales involved it wouldn't have made any difference had they sought authorisation. They jury also concluded his stolen, over-powered bike, driving and other aspects were 'contributory factors'.
I could have written the Coroner's 'prevention of death' aspect of the inquest. It would have read, "Don't fail to stop for the police".
Lance Catamaran said:
La Liga said:
The stop and searching may have been excessive (apparently 71 times over 3/4 years), and the officers involved may have got themselves in a pickle whether they stuck to policy, but his death is no one's fault but his own.
He chose to fail to stop (probably because he was dealing cannabis) on his moped which was fitted with engine too powerful for the bike.
If we want a police force confident in pursuing those on bikes who fail to stop, then we need to be clear about who is responsible when it goes wrong.
It's understandable the family / friends want someone other than him to blame, but the system needs to make it clear he caused his own death.
Which the inquest duly didn't, so moped muggers will continue to remain almost untouchableHe chose to fail to stop (probably because he was dealing cannabis) on his moped which was fitted with engine too powerful for the bike.
If we want a police force confident in pursuing those on bikes who fail to stop, then we need to be clear about who is responsible when it goes wrong.
It's understandable the family / friends want someone other than him to blame, but the system needs to make it clear he caused his own death.
The primary focus of the jury was whether or not it was a pursuit. The officers claimed it wasn't, the jury concluded it was. I think with the time scales involved it wouldn't have made any difference had they sought authorisation. They jury also concluded his stolen, over-powered bike, driving and other aspects were 'contributory factors'.
I could have written the Coroner's 'prevention of death' aspect of the inquest. It would have read, "Don't fail to stop for the police".
Dr Jekyll said:
The police are supposed to be financed to fight crime anyway, and there is certainly no shortage of video surveillance in London.
Change the rules so that a copper chasing someone can't be held liable if the scrote crashes.
Make sure that when caught these b
ds are locked up for a few years.
Shoot a few. If someone was waving a shotgun around in the street he's be shot because he might hurt someone, but if they steal a moped and right like a nutter they are left alone because, err, they might hurt someone.
If the police really can't cope then obviously the army need to be called in.
Agree! This whole system is too soft on criminals.Change the rules so that a copper chasing someone can't be held liable if the scrote crashes.
Make sure that when caught these b
ds are locked up for a few years.Shoot a few. If someone was waving a shotgun around in the street he's be shot because he might hurt someone, but if they steal a moped and right like a nutter they are left alone because, err, they might hurt someone.
If the police really can't cope then obviously the army need to be called in.
This was covered on the 2nd episode of the BBC1 series about the Met on Wednesday.
The programme included this case
The mother, sister & other hangers on where quite vocal in their assertions that the police officers were picking on innocent young boys with cries of "child molester".
Thankfully, the CPS saw things differently & they were packed off to the pokey for their thieving.
The programme included this case
The mother, sister & other hangers on where quite vocal in their assertions that the police officers were picking on innocent young boys with cries of "child molester".
Thankfully, the CPS saw things differently & they were packed off to the pokey for their thieving.
This hard nut got his comeuppance... with a judicious boot to his nut…
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Police State said:
This hard nut got his comeuppance... with a judicious boot to his nut…
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Moped crime right outside the old Police station in Penge which has been turned into luxury apartments
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-406...
I've been surrounded by little chavs in Penge high street last year but simply rode through them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-406...
I've been surrounded by little chavs in Penge high street last year but simply rode through them.
kiethton said:
I live less than a mile away from here :/
Thankfully it's just mopeds they seem to be after and not proper bikes!
Nope, they have a taste for superbikes too (doubt the Thankfully it's just mopeds they seem to be after and not proper bikes!
s can even ride them though)http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2017/march/thie...
Dromedary66 said:
kiethton said:
I live less than a mile away from here :/
Thankfully it's just mopeds they seem to be after and not proper bikes!
Nope, they have a taste for superbikes too (doubt the Thankfully it's just mopeds they seem to be after and not proper bikes!
s can even ride them though)http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2017/march/thie...
k, lets hope my "cosmetically challenged" CBR600F isn't of interest then!"Terrifying moment moped gang rob Porsche driver stuck in traffic at knifepoint in broad daylight as they force him to hand over his valuables"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4709118/Mo...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4709118/Mo...
kev1974 said:
"Terrifying moment moped gang rob Porsche driver stuck in traffic at knifepoint in broad daylight as they force him to hand over his valuables"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4709118/Mo...
Why did the Porsche owner not speed away/close his window. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4709118/Mo...
I'm no have a go hero and wouldn't resist if was on a bicycle or walking, but if in a car I would have not handed over anything based on a knife, would have to be a gun to make me give up. Any movement towards me would have meant acceleration and steering, even if into their moped.
hyphen said:
kev1974 said:
"Terrifying moment moped gang rob Porsche driver stuck in traffic at knifepoint in broad daylight as they force him to hand over his valuables"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4709118/Mo...
Why did the Porsche owner not speed away/close his window. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4709118/Mo...
I'm no have a go hero and wouldn't resist if was on a bicycle or walking, but if in a car I would have not handed over anything based on a knife, would have to be a gun to make me give up. Any movement towards me would have meant acceleration and steering, even if into their moped.
untakenname said:
Moped crime right outside the old Police station in Penge which has been turned into luxury apartments
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-406...
I've been surrounded by little chavs in Penge high street last year but simply rode through them.
After seeing a number of these scrotes riding around (and having given chase to them in a car after seeing them make off with a Fireblade, being pushed along by a scooter without a plate) in East London, I have decided not to get another bike whilst living here.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-406...
I've been surrounded by little chavs in Penge high street last year but simply rode through them.
Btw, they usually wear balaclavas with no helmet as the police are apparently not allowed to give chase if they aren't wearing one.
It's getting worse... The risk of chasing them is not worth them being killed, so we're constantly told by do-gooders... but by their inaction it would seem the police don't mind the risk of children being injured or killed by the riders
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4750016/Ho...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4750016/Ho...
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