Moped muggers and police bike chase laws
Discussion
justinio said:
Boydie88 said:
This.
When are the Police going to start standing up for the non
y people in society and even themselves when you see them pandering to the BLM tosspots in London too
Probably when the liberal hand wringers stop making the Police's lives a misery.When are the Police going to start standing up for the non
y people in society and even themselves when you see them pandering to the BLM tosspots in London toohttps://twitter.com/bedspolice/status/890131097992...
And this comes after they were rated "inadequate in keeping people safe and reducing crime by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary."
PRTVR said:
SantaBarbara said:
A lot o mopeds are being stolen
They need better locks surely?
On the news they showed a group of them with sparks flying from an angle grinder, so I don't think any lock would be good enough.They need better locks surely?
The scrotes steal them off building sites/white van man & then use them to cut up chains/locks in broad daylight.
No idea what the answer is, apart from vigilante groups, castration, or banishment to some cold, wet, far flung island, such as Eire....
The trouble os that is not a solution either as will just lead to a rise in bike jacking, probably using the fashionable acid in the face technique.
The only way to tackle this is a decent punishment, a couple of weeks on tag in the very low chance that they get caught is not a punishment
The only way to tackle this is a decent punishment, a couple of weeks on tag in the very low chance that they get caught is not a punishment
In the USA, if a policeman asked you to stop and you don't it's quite likely you will be shot and everyone know the score.
These people on the scooters are effectively resisting arrest by riding on, they have made the choice and if they don't want to be hurt then simply stopping and talking to the policeman will be all they need to do. If they choose not to stop, then it's a big boys game and big boys rules apply.
These people on the scooters are effectively resisting arrest by riding on, they have made the choice and if they don't want to be hurt then simply stopping and talking to the policeman will be all they need to do. If they choose not to stop, then it's a big boys game and big boys rules apply.
anonymous said:
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You would think that if the manufacturers wanted to, and customers were willing to pay, then they could come up with something much more innovative.For example they could embed permanent gps trackers into the bike at the factory, or they could add immobolizers/remote stop etc, sensors for unexpected body weight changes (like cars do to adjust settings per driver) and who knows what else.
Just make it difficult enough to reduce the thefts to proper professionals as opposed to any 14 year old with a bolt cutter/grinder.
Willy Nilly said:
In the USA, if a policeman asked you to stop and you don't it's quite likely you will be shot and everyone know the score.
The problem there though is that there are too many guns per head and too many on either side of the line who end up shooting the wrong people.Willy Nilly said:
These people on the scooters are effectively resisting arrest by riding on, they have made the choice and if they don't want to be hurt then simply stopping and talking to the policeman will be all they need to do. If they choose not to stop, then it's a big boys game and big boys rules apply.
I have to agree. The police are not endangering the scooter rider's lives, the riders have made a decision to run. The bigger issue is public safety.James_B said:
As soon as you are moving, that's it, the police won't chase, you've got away with it.
Is this really true ? Watching the news last week, the Police spokesperson said that this was incorrect and the Police will actively pursue suspects on Mopeds. However it must be a practical issue, you simply will not catch a reasonably determined moped rider, in London, in a Police car.
It depends on the circumstances.
You should only continue a pursuit if you have an end game. Chasing a moped around until it crashes into something is different from pursuing a moped where you have helicopter support available, for example.
The risk needs to be proportional i.e. trying to apprehend someone for a serious crime is more likely to justify the risk of a bad outcome (legally speaking) than a minor one. I'd suggest the overall public interest in moped crime in London means, as an over strategy, the Met are more likely to allow moped pursuits.
There are loads of other factors and it's a complex mix. It's not black and white.
One thing is for certain, any officer involved in a pursuit is at the mercy of the outcome due to the system and laws. If the rider/s are uninjured then fine. If they end up seriously injured and dead then the officers can literally expect to be under investigation / scrutinised for years.
Such an outcome-based 'gamble' is hardly incentivising, is it?
You should only continue a pursuit if you have an end game. Chasing a moped around until it crashes into something is different from pursuing a moped where you have helicopter support available, for example.
The risk needs to be proportional i.e. trying to apprehend someone for a serious crime is more likely to justify the risk of a bad outcome (legally speaking) than a minor one. I'd suggest the overall public interest in moped crime in London means, as an over strategy, the Met are more likely to allow moped pursuits.
There are loads of other factors and it's a complex mix. It's not black and white.
One thing is for certain, any officer involved in a pursuit is at the mercy of the outcome due to the system and laws. If the rider/s are uninjured then fine. If they end up seriously injured and dead then the officers can literally expect to be under investigation / scrutinised for years.
Such an outcome-based 'gamble' is hardly incentivising, is it?
La Liga said:
Such an outcome-based 'gamble' is hardly incentivising, is it?
O/TSame goes for causing death by careless driving.
A cyclist wobbles as a car passes maybe too close maybe not and the cyclist who's not wearing a helmet falls off onto a grass verge, rolls over, gets up, gives the drver the bird and at that moment a passing plodcar stops the driver to report / issue a ticket for driving without due care and attention...giving the right message you might say even if the pass was barely too close.
Another cyclist also not wearing a helmet wobbles as a car passes maybe too close maybe not and the cyclist falls off hitting their head on the edge of the kerb, it's a fatac and the driver is going to face a charge of causing death by careless driving even though the lapse in driving standard was no different to the first case and below that of dangerous driving.
Bad laws penalise chance outcomes.
how much of a prat do you have to be to steal a phone of a fking paramedic on duty? geez.
http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/news/news_releas...
king paramedic on duty? geez.http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/news/news_releas...
Labour MP is attacked
Labour MP 'hit in face with brick by motorbike thug' as he appeals for help to identify offender
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-mp-hi...
Then writes a piece for the Mirror
Motorbike gang thugs are taking control of our streets we need more police and powers to battle them
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/motorbike-gan...
Unfortunately, he ends by missing the point entirely:
"I want a monthly summary of how many bikes have been seized and crushed, and I want those engaged in aggressive anti-social behaviour with bikes banned from owning or riding them, and subject to curfews which prevent them roaring around, causing terror and mayhem."
Good idea, punish the victim by crushing the stolen bike, ban the thieving git who doesn't have a licence anyway, and apply a curfew that the police cannot enforce.
Have our politicians always been so dumb?
Labour MP 'hit in face with brick by motorbike thug' as he appeals for help to identify offender
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-mp-hi...
Then writes a piece for the Mirror
Motorbike gang thugs are taking control of our streets we need more police and powers to battle them
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/motorbike-gan...
Unfortunately, he ends by missing the point entirely:
"I want a monthly summary of how many bikes have been seized and crushed, and I want those engaged in aggressive anti-social behaviour with bikes banned from owning or riding them, and subject to curfews which prevent them roaring around, causing terror and mayhem."
Good idea, punish the victim by crushing the stolen bike, ban the thieving git who doesn't have a licence anyway, and apply a curfew that the police cannot enforce.
Have our politicians always been so dumb?
gareth_r said:
Unfortunately, he ends by missing the point entirely:
"I want a monthly summary of how many bikes have been seized and crushed, and I want those engaged in aggressive anti-social behaviour with bikes banned from owning or riding them, and subject to curfews which prevent them roaring around, causing terror and mayhem."
Good idea, punish the victim by crushing the stolen bike, ban the thieving git who doesn't have a licence anyway, and apply a curfew that the police cannot enforce.
Have our politicians always been so dumb?
Yup. They all love a soundbite which will make Mirror readers think they're calling for action, however questionable that action might be. Always have."I want a monthly summary of how many bikes have been seized and crushed, and I want those engaged in aggressive anti-social behaviour with bikes banned from owning or riding them, and subject to curfews which prevent them roaring around, causing terror and mayhem."
Good idea, punish the victim by crushing the stolen bike, ban the thieving git who doesn't have a licence anyway, and apply a curfew that the police cannot enforce.
Have our politicians always been so dumb?
As if WMP don't have enough to do aside from providing him with pointless figures.
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