Moped muggers and police bike chase laws
Discussion
turbobloke said:
La Liga said:
Such an outcome-based 'gamble' is hardly incentivising, is it?
O/TSame goes for causing death by careless driving.
A cyclist wobbles as a car passes maybe too close maybe not and the cyclist who's not wearing a helmet falls off onto a grass verge, rolls over, gets up, gives the drver the bird and at that moment a passing plodcar stops the driver to report / issue a ticket for driving without due care and attention...giving the right message you might say even if the pass was barely too close.
Another cyclist also not wearing a helmet wobbles as a car passes maybe too close maybe not and the cyclist falls off hitting their head on the edge of the kerb, it's a fatac and the driver is going to face a charge of causing death by careless driving even though the lapse in driving standard was no different to the first case and below that of dangerous driving.
Bad laws penalise chance outcomes.
The practical issue is that everyone who pushes someone clearly can't be treated as if they'd killed the person because some pushes result in death.
The argument to partly justify such a structure is that one has the choice not to buy a ticket i.e. don't drive without due care / don't unlawfully push people in the first place.
Gargamel said:
Is this really true ? Watching the news last week, the Police spokesperson said that this was incorrect and the Police will actively pursue suspects on Mopeds.
However it must be a practical issue, you simply will not catch a reasonably determined moped rider, in London, in a Police car.
It's possible that things have changed recently, but the police following up my thefts explained in each case why they are being stolen, and that they are not allowed to pursue.However it must be a practical issue, you simply will not catch a reasonably determined moped rider, in London, in a Police car.
gruffalo said:
How about some honey trap mopeds that when stolen fire a six inch spike up the backside of the thief, police just wait at A&E for them to turn up, no risk to the public or police, no chasing around getting all hot and bothered.
It can't fail Shirley.
Fit a barb on the spike and a blasting cap in the petrol tank and its perfect!It can't fail Shirley.
CoolHands said:
Yet the police are supposed to take care that these "misunderstood youths" aren't hurt when they try to escape.This f
king country... In the middle of the day, lady coming out of the temple or whatever and that happens. Very violent. Imagine the ptsd that lady will probably suffer, it'll affect her for years, I'm sure.
Meanwhile the 4 officers following Henry Nicks when he face-planted after overestimating his skill, face their misconduct hearing in October ( a mere 3 years after the event); and
http://islingtontribune.com/article/police-in-lewi...
I 100% hope police officers continue to not chase moped muggers as it illustrates our fked up system perfectly.
Meanwhile the 4 officers following Henry Nicks when he face-planted after overestimating his skill, face their misconduct hearing in October ( a mere 3 years after the event); and
ipcc said:
the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), has completed its investigation into the fatal pursuit and has passed a file to the Crown Prosecution Service “to consider any criminal charges for potential driving offences in relation to two police drivers”,
after the phone snatcher crashed while being followed by 2 police cars.http://islingtontribune.com/article/police-in-lewi...
I 100% hope police officers continue to not chase moped muggers as it illustrates our f
ked up system perfectly.CoolHands said:
In the middle of the day, lady coming out of the temple or whatever and that happens. Very violent. Imagine the ptsd that lady will probably suffer, it'll affect her for years, I'm sure.
Meanwhile the 4 officers following Henry Nicks when he face-planted after overestimating his skill, face their misconduct hearing in October ( a mere 3 years after the event); and
http://islingtontribune.com/article/police-in-lewi...
I 100% hope police officers continue to not chase moped muggers as it illustrates our fked up system perfectly.
I watched two idiots on stolen mopeds drive off earlier, no helmets and riding like idiots. No way I'm risking my freedom for those tw@ts, hopefully natural selection will deal with them because I wasn't going to chase after them.Meanwhile the 4 officers following Henry Nicks when he face-planted after overestimating his skill, face their misconduct hearing in October ( a mere 3 years after the event); and
ipcc said:
the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), has completed its investigation into the fatal pursuit and has passed a file to the Crown Prosecution Service “to consider any criminal charges for potential driving offences in relation to two police drivers”,
after the phone snatcher crashed while being followed by 2 police cars.http://islingtontribune.com/article/police-in-lewi...
I 100% hope police officers continue to not chase moped muggers as it illustrates our f
ked up system perfectly.On the beeb now
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-408...
Attacking woman on the ground
The nearest 'youth' on the scooter in a grey tracksuit - might be female?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-408...
Attacking woman on the ground
The nearest 'youth' on the scooter in a grey tracksuit - might be female?
CoolHands said:
In the middle of the day, lady coming out of the temple or whatever and that happens. Very violent. Imagine the ptsd that lady will probably suffer, it'll affect her for years, I'm sure.
Meanwhile the 4 officers following Henry Nicks when he face-planted after overestimating his skill, face their misconduct hearing in October ( a mere 3 years after the event); and
http://islingtontribune.com/article/police-in-lewi...
I 100% hope police officers continue to not chase moped muggers as it illustrates our fked up system perfectly.
Not that I'm wishing it to happen, but perhaps the best thing might be if one of these moped gangs attack a senior MP or someone high up in the Police. Then we might see some changes.Meanwhile the 4 officers following Henry Nicks when he face-planted after overestimating his skill, face their misconduct hearing in October ( a mere 3 years after the event); and
ipcc said:
the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), has completed its investigation into the fatal pursuit and has passed a file to the Crown Prosecution Service “to consider any criminal charges for potential driving offences in relation to two police drivers”,
after the phone snatcher crashed while being followed by 2 police cars.http://islingtontribune.com/article/police-in-lewi...
I 100% hope police officers continue to not chase moped muggers as it illustrates our f
ked up system perfectly.Greendubber said:
CoolHands said:
In the middle of the day, lady coming out of the temple or whatever and that happens. Very violent. Imagine the ptsd that lady will probably suffer, it'll affect her for years, I'm sure.
Meanwhile the 4 officers following Henry Nicks when he face-planted after overestimating his skill, face their misconduct hearing in October ( a mere 3 years after the event); and
http://islingtontribune.com/article/police-in-lewi...
I 100% hope police officers continue to not chase moped muggers as it illustrates our fked up system perfectly.
I watched two idiots on stolen mopeds drive off earlier, no helmets and riding like idiots. No way I'm risking my freedom for those tw@ts, hopefully natural selection will deal with them because I wasn't going to chase after them.Meanwhile the 4 officers following Henry Nicks when he face-planted after overestimating his skill, face their misconduct hearing in October ( a mere 3 years after the event); and
ipcc said:
the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), has completed its investigation into the fatal pursuit and has passed a file to the Crown Prosecution Service “to consider any criminal charges for potential driving offences in relation to two police drivers”,
after the phone snatcher crashed while being followed by 2 police cars.http://islingtontribune.com/article/police-in-lewi...
I 100% hope police officers continue to not chase moped muggers as it illustrates our f
ked up system perfectly.Mr. White said:
CoolHands said:
Yet the police are supposed to take care that these "misunderstood youths" aren't hurt when they try to escape.This f
king country... These are nothing but utter scum, and should be rid off. End of. Gone. Vermin. Worse than rats.
But no, the do-gooders will be up in arms. Their naïve consciences would not allow them to sleep at night. These poor misunderstood just need some help. Yeah... a chair, rope, neck, kick chair away.
FFS, a 52 year old woman, the way she was flung round (initially, I thought the low-life was after her bag, but no, her gold necklace (how did he/they know it was gold?) with which he flung her round to the ground.
Utter, utter, f
king scum! Poor woman, has to live with this forever.
Lance Catamaran said:
Not that I'm wishing it to happen, but perhaps the best thing might be if one of these moped gangs attack a senior MP or someone high up in the Police. Then we might see some changes.
There was a Labour MP attacked with a brick recently by a moped rider. Apart from giving an interview on how terrible it was and how it must be stopped, nothing has changed thus far. TooMany2cvs said:
Willy Nilly said:
In the USA, if a policeman asked you to stop and you don't it's quite likely you will be shot and everyone know the score.
You say that like it's a good thing...The majority of US law enforcement agencies (Highway Patrol excepted) have fairly stringent pursuit policies, so are unable to chase down speeders, DUI suspects etc. However, what these scum balls in London are doing would be classed here as strong-arm robbery (felonious), which would be justifiable to chase and apprehend by all reasonable means (including a vehicular assisted dismount).
I think these lowlifes present a greater threat to the public than the potential consequences of a pursuit.
ChemicalChaos said:
Lance Catamaran said:
Not that I'm wishing it to happen, but perhaps the best thing might be if one of these moped gangs attack a senior MP or someone high up in the Police. Then we might see some changes.
There was a Labour MP attacked with a brick recently by a moped rider. Apart from giving an interview on how terrible it was and how it must be stopped, nothing has changed thus far. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff