Moped muggers and police bike chase laws
Discussion
Vandenberg said:
The sister has been saying how devastated she is on Facebook.
Some erm interesting comments.
Just came on the thread to post this:Some erm interesting comments.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-416979...
What a clown the guy was.
BBC article said:
He was found to be carrying seven bags of skunk cannabis and multiple phones.
The teenager had been stopped and searched at least 71 times between October 2011 and December 2014.
No offense, but sounds like he deserved it. The teenager had been stopped and searched at least 71 times between October 2011 and December 2014.
Commit a crime , expect to be chased . Where is the accountability???
The police should be allowed to freely chase these people.
If you want to see the definition of council, have a look here - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1568677356747221/
Edited by xjay1337 on Friday 20th October 17:39
xjay1337 said:
No offense, but sounds like he deserved it.
Commit a crime , expect to be chased . Where is the accountability???
The police should be allowed to freely chase these people.
If you want to see the definition of council, have a look here - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1568677356747221/
Its funny the sister doesn't make any mention of his criminality. Its all about there is no justice and the cops killed him.Commit a crime , expect to be chased . Where is the accountability???
The police should be allowed to freely chase these people.
If you want to see the definition of council, have a look here - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1568677356747221/
Edited by xjay1337 on Friday 20th October 17:39
Well tough Henry made his choices and paid a high price.
My sympathies are with the cops who have had this hanging over them for all this time and the cabbie who was hit by this lad.
t.gareth_r said:
saaby93 said:
Why are they called mopeds? Aren't they scooters?
mopeds = motorized pedal bikes
scooters = things with two seats and loads of badges and mirrors.
Some scooters are mopeds - no more than 50cc and top speed limited to 28mph/45kph. The limit was 31mph/50kph until a few years ago when the UK adopted the EU definition.mopeds = motorized pedal bikes
scooters = things with two seats and loads of badges and mirrors.
They haven't had to have pedals for about 40 years.
B'stard Child said:
gareth_r said:
saaby93 said:
Why are they called mopeds? Aren't they scooters?
mopeds = motorized pedal bikes
scooters = things with two seats and loads of badges and mirrors.
Some scooters are mopeds - no more than 50cc and top speed limited to 28mph/45kph. The limit was 31mph/50kph until a few years ago when the UK adopted the EU definition.mopeds = motorized pedal bikes
scooters = things with two seats and loads of badges and mirrors.
They haven't had to have pedals for about 40 years.
kev1974 said:
This "pillar of the community" has been mentioned in this thread a few times. Police officers who followed (note: not chased) him on his scooter finally found not guilty of misconduct after he crashed it.
https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/police-officers-fou...
So maybe things can move on now with regards to stopping scrotes committing crime on mopeds.
I can't see the not guilty for misconduct making any difference to future policing. The police will still not want to catch moped criminals and it will still not get any better. While the police may have been found not guilty, they were examined under the microscope for 3 full years and had their careers on the wire the whole time. Would you go out of your way to catch anybody if you were a policeman when you are still likely to be investigated for years afterwards if anything goes wrong?https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/police-officers-fou...
So maybe things can move on now with regards to stopping scrotes committing crime on mopeds.
DurianIceCream said:
kev1974 said:
This "pillar of the community" has been mentioned in this thread a few times. Police officers who followed (note: not chased) him on his scooter finally found not guilty of misconduct after he crashed it.
https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/police-officers-fou...
So maybe things can move on now with regards to stopping scrotes committing crime on mopeds.
I can't see the not guilty for misconduct making any difference to future policing. The police will still not want to catch moped criminals and it will still not get any better. While the police may have been found not guilty, they were examined under the microscope for 3 full years and had their careers on the wire the whole time. Would you go out of your way to catch anybody if you were a policeman when you are still likely to be investigated for years afterwards if anything goes wrong?https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/police-officers-fou...
So maybe things can move on now with regards to stopping scrotes committing crime on mopeds.
Long Drax said:
B'stard Child said:
gareth_r said:
saaby93 said:
Why are they called mopeds? Aren't they scooters?
mopeds = motorized pedal bikes
scooters = things with two seats and loads of badges and mirrors.
Some scooters are mopeds - no more than 50cc and top speed limited to 28mph/45kph. The limit was 31mph/50kph until a few years ago when the UK adopted the EU definition.mopeds = motorized pedal bikes
scooters = things with two seats and loads of badges and mirrors.
They haven't had to have pedals for about 40 years.
I had a Puch Grand Prix and it too was unrestricted and would hit 50 mph under the right conditions however for a laugh I tried it with engine off and using the pedals about 100 yrds at a snails pace was all I could manage before being shattered
B'stard Child said:
Long Drax said:
B'stard Child said:
gareth_r said:
saaby93 said:
Why are they called mopeds? Aren't they scooters?
mopeds = motorized pedal bikes
scooters = things with two seats and loads of badges and mirrors.
Some scooters are mopeds - no more than 50cc and top speed limited to 28mph/45kph. The limit was 31mph/50kph until a few years ago when the UK adopted the EU definition.mopeds = motorized pedal bikes
scooters = things with two seats and loads of badges and mirrors.
They haven't had to have pedals for about 40 years.
I had a Puch Grand Prix and it too was unrestricted and would hit 50 mph under the right conditions however for a laugh I tried it with engine off and using the pedals about 100 yrds at a snails pace was all I could manage before being shattered
They're quicker pedalling than with the motor.
DurianIceCream said:
I can't see the not guilty for misconduct making any difference to future policing. The police will still not want to catch moped criminals and it will still not get any better. While the police may have been found not guilty, they were examined under the microscope for 3 full years and had their careers on the wire the whole time. Would you go out of your way to catch anybody if you were a policeman when you are still likely to be investigated for years afterwards if anything goes wrong?
That, of course, is the problem. The thought that will be running through every officer's mind is that a simple follow, as in this case, could change one's career through no fault of one's own. There are instructions, which are often modified after such an incident but they can never be definitive. When a major FB campaign starts up it would appear that the IPCC and seemingly the CPS will take it into account. This whole case ended up as the police felt the facts dictated before the IPCC made its demands. It seems that no one had the nerve to suggest that evidence is required.
The police needs to have faith in the IPCC, at least to the extent that they will require clear evidence. The CPS though should have known better. Higher standards are required of police officers, that's been evident in many decisions, but even so, one would hope that good sense was an equal requirement.
The ones who will suffer from this, apart from the three officers of course, are those attacked by the moped mafia out there. It was difficult enough in my day to justify continuing with a follow. I'm relieved it is not my decision now.
B'stard Child said:
Long Drax said:
B'stard Child said:
gareth_r said:
saaby93 said:
Why are they called mopeds? Aren't they scooters?
mopeds = motorized pedal bikes
scooters = things with two seats and loads of badges and mirrors.
Some scooters are mopeds - no more than 50cc and top speed limited to 28mph/45kph. The limit was 31mph/50kph until a few years ago when the UK adopted the EU definition.mopeds = motorized pedal bikes
scooters = things with two seats and loads of badges and mirrors.
They haven't had to have pedals for about 40 years.
I had a Puch Grand Prix and it too was unrestricted and would hit 50 mph under the right conditions however for a laugh I tried it with engine off and using the pedals about 100 yrds at a snails pace was all I could manage before being shattered
http://dailym.ai/2wX6bNZ
Driver ramming moped robbers. Shame he didn't cripple them. I can imagine this will happen more and more.
Driver ramming moped robbers. Shame he didn't cripple them. I can imagine this will happen more and more.
The issue with Henry Hicks were the conclusions by the inquest jury and the IPCC. Thankfully the Met have found otherwise.
3 years of no promotion, moving sideways, not knowing if they'll have a job. All for coming to work and doing their job.
If we want the police to pursue mopeds or get into circumstances like this case, then we need to accept the riders / passengers will occasionally suffer serious harm and death.
The more decisions makers in the business of risk are scrutinised and poured over, the less risk they're willing to take on. I can tell you as someone who has sat in police cars behind criminals on bikes, it's something that plays on your mind, when in reality a police officer should have absolute confidence in a system which supports them apprehending criminals in a reasonable way and the expectation the system should be clear with right and wrong i.e. the criminal is the one failing to stop therefore the risk is on them.
3 years of no promotion, moving sideways, not knowing if they'll have a job. All for coming to work and doing their job.
If we want the police to pursue mopeds or get into circumstances like this case, then we need to accept the riders / passengers will occasionally suffer serious harm and death.
The more decisions makers in the business of risk are scrutinised and poured over, the less risk they're willing to take on. I can tell you as someone who has sat in police cars behind criminals on bikes, it's something that plays on your mind, when in reality a police officer should have absolute confidence in a system which supports them apprehending criminals in a reasonable way and the expectation the system should be clear with right and wrong i.e. the criminal is the one failing to stop therefore the risk is on them.
La Liga said:
The issue with Henry Hicks were the conclusions by the inquest jury and the IPCC. Thankfully the Met have found otherwise.
3 years of no promotion, moving sideways, not knowing if they'll have a job. All for coming to work and doing their job.
If we want the police to pursue mopeds or get into circumstances like this case, then we need to accept the riders / passengers will occasionally suffer serious harm and death.
The more decisions makers in the business of risk are scrutinised and poured over, the less risk they're willing to take on. I can tell you as someone who has sat in police cars behind criminals on bikes, it's something that plays on your mind, when in reality a police officer should have absolute confidence in a system which supports them apprehending criminals in a reasonable way and the expectation the system should be clear with right and wrong i.e. the criminal is the one failing to stop therefore the risk is on them.
Next you will be saying it's their fault if they get hurt by someone they are trying to rob.3 years of no promotion, moving sideways, not knowing if they'll have a job. All for coming to work and doing their job.
If we want the police to pursue mopeds or get into circumstances like this case, then we need to accept the riders / passengers will occasionally suffer serious harm and death.
The more decisions makers in the business of risk are scrutinised and poured over, the less risk they're willing to take on. I can tell you as someone who has sat in police cars behind criminals on bikes, it's something that plays on your mind, when in reality a police officer should have absolute confidence in a system which supports them apprehending criminals in a reasonable way and the expectation the system should be clear with right and wrong i.e. the criminal is the one failing to stop therefore the risk is on them.
anonymous said:
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Mmm. Vigilante justice is never particularly great.What if some random numpt decides that you must be a mugger/thief/whatever, simply because you're on a bike in London? Rams you, takes you off, life-changing injury...?
Are there any other crimes that you'd be quite happy for serious assaults by vigilantes to be encouraged?
anonymous said:
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Indeed. It brings up one of Peel's founding principles:
Peel said:
To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
TooMany2cvs said:
anonymous said:
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Mmm. Vigilante justice is never particularly great.What if some random numpt decides that you must be a mugger/thief/whatever, simply because you're on a bike in London? Rams you, takes you off, life-changing injury...?
Are there any other crimes that you'd be quite happy for serious assaults by vigilantes to be encouraged?
Is it fair to say that any time you see two people on one moped, they're up to no good?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/moment-bungl...
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/moment-bungl...
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