The Gender Non-binary debate.
Discussion
Clockwork Cupcake said:
They're just clothes at the end of the day. I have no problems with people mixing it up and wearing what they want.
For sure.Imagine how bland the High Street would be - in and out of the shops - if everyone was uniform in terms of what they should or should not wear by virtue of their gender and whatever unseen force deems that a thing.
And plus, the opportunity and then the ability to compliment nice ladies on their outfits would diminish.
AlexS_LDN said:
Yet some guys fit neither box and may just choose to wear what feels more comfortable to them...
Guys' clothes is pretty limited to jeans, trousers, shorts and perhaps a kilt if at a function or wedding...
the 'executive' above may raise eyebrows and be considered 'trans' by most, where he could just be a straight (hetero) guy who prefers a more daring look
each to their own.
For me, I prefer a kilt like this chap below as a smart alternative to a suit on a summer's day
but fashion is changing - see how mens' jeans are now, and try and find a regular fit that doesn't cling to you like leggings
Recently a friend said something along the lines of, 'you've never cared what you wear do you' meaning that I'll wear what I like and won't care what others think. I do admit at the time I was wearing a sartorial extravaganza even for me, my gymkit sometimes is rather spangly. I'm all for wear what you like. I do like kilts, very freeing. But no good for when you have a cold as I do now. Or fat days. Guys' clothes is pretty limited to jeans, trousers, shorts and perhaps a kilt if at a function or wedding...
the 'executive' above may raise eyebrows and be considered 'trans' by most, where he could just be a straight (hetero) guy who prefers a more daring look
each to their own.For me, I prefer a kilt like this chap below as a smart alternative to a suit on a summer's day
but fashion is changing - see how mens' jeans are now, and try and find a regular fit that doesn't cling to you like leggings
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Does anyone recall the ststorm on here when John Lewis said they were going to stop labelling clothes as boys and girls?
There are still a lot of people with hang ups even over little things.
When the next company does this it'll be prime time for an experiment. There's been a fair few regarding how children approach differing toys marketed towards gender, types of play and IIRC a couple for clothes.tstorm on here when John Lewis said they were going to stop labelling clothes as boys and girls?There are still a lot of people with hang ups even over little things.
But I'm thinking an experiment where the parents are the study.
Something like they walk into the store with no gender labels, and beyond the usual blue vs pink etc, how many can figure out which was which before the label removal and why.
AlexS_LDN said:
Yet some guys fit neither box and may just choose to wear what feels more comfortable to them...
Guys' clothes is pretty limited to jeans, trousers, shorts and perhaps a kilt if at a function or wedding...
the 'executive' above may raise eyebrows and be considered 'trans' by most, where he could just be a straight (hetero) guy who prefers a more daring look each to their own.
It's true. Guy clothes are boooooring. Guys' clothes is pretty limited to jeans, trousers, shorts and perhaps a kilt if at a function or wedding...
the 'executive' above may raise eyebrows and be considered 'trans' by most, where he could just be a straight (hetero) guy who prefers a more daring look
each to their own.I should probably give mine to charity, but I still need them from time to time. It's somewhat telling that they take up one half of a double wardrobe, whilst my girl clothes take up the other half and two more double wardrobes. Plus the double wardrobes in the spare room.
NoVetec said:
When the next company does this it'll be prime time for an experiment. There's been a fair few regarding how children approach differing toys marketed towards gender, types of play and IIRC a couple for clothes.
But I'm thinking an experiment where the parents are the study.
Something like they walk into the store with no gender labels, and beyond the usual blue vs pink etc, how many can figure out which was which before the label removal and why.
I said on that thread that quite often if I'm clothes shopping and I'm in somewhere like JD or Blacks where you can turn a corner and be in a different section I can find myself looking at a jacket when the penny suddenly drops that it's a "12" rather than a M, or the zip's on the wrong side.But I'm thinking an experiment where the parents are the study.
Something like they walk into the store with no gender labels, and beyond the usual blue vs pink etc, how many can figure out which was which before the label removal and why.
It's weird how we're conditioned to this stuff.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I said on that thread that quite often if I'm clothes shopping and I'm in somewhere like JD or Blacks where you can turn a corner and be in a different section I can find myself looking at a jacket when the penny suddenly drops that it's a "12" rather than a M, or the zip's on the wrong side.
It's weird how we're conditioned to this stuff.
That's very true. I was in Sports Direct (hands PH card in) shopping for gym stuff the other week. Dunno if this is a general for them but my local store's clothing blends in. Only certain sports tops that 'go in' a bit more under the pits marked them as feminine at a distance.It's weird how we're conditioned to this stuff.
Similarly, I always attach women's seats on my push bikes. So much comfier than the thin, relatively solid men's.
NoVetec said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I said on that thread that quite often if I'm clothes shopping and I'm in somewhere like JD or Blacks where you can turn a corner and be in a different section I can find myself looking at a jacket when the penny suddenly drops that it's a "12" rather than a M, or the zip's on the wrong side.
It's weird how we're conditioned to this stuff.
That's very true. I was in Sports Direct (hands PH card in) shopping for gym stuff the other week. Dunno if this is a general for them but my local store's clothing blends in. Only certain sports tops that 'go in' a bit more under the pits marked them as feminine at a distance.It's weird how we're conditioned to this stuff.
Similarly, I always attach women's seats on my push bikes. So much comfier than the thin, relatively solid men's.
Don Roque said:
Trophy Husband said:
I bet you'd die for lashes like these CC?
Weird. Do you parade your children online in this bizarre fashion for your own enjoyment or for the benefit of others? bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I said on that thread that quite often if I'm clothes shopping and I'm in somewhere like JD or Blacks where you can turn a corner and be in a different section I can find myself looking at a jacket when the penny suddenly drops that it's a "12" rather than a M, or the zip's on the wrong side.
It's weird how we're conditioned to this stuff.
THe zips is interesting. I have two jackets (leathers, one is wilson's, yank make, I think the other is yank too) and the zip is on the opposite side to what I normally feel. They're both bloke jackets though.It's weird how we're conditioned to this stuff.
Randy Winkman said:
Whenever I see stylishly coloured clothing in cycle shops it turns out to be "women's". The men's stuff is always lairy colour combos.
I wanted some nice colour short for training, most men's shorts are boring and ste. THen I discovered MMA shorts which are all colours and with great patterns. So I use them to train.Halb said:
Randy Winkman said:
Whenever I see stylishly coloured clothing in cycle shops it turns out to be "women's". The men's stuff is always lairy colour combos.
I wanted some nice colour short for training, most men's shorts are boring and ste. THen I discovered MMA shorts which are all colours and with great patterns. So I use them to train.Main difference between men's and women's clothes, even unisex, is as you say the zips, buttons, and also the pockets. Apparently women don't need pockets.
I put on an old pair of guy jeans the other day to do some work in the garden, put my phone in the pocket, and I thought I had dropped the damn thing as the pockets were so deep!
I put on an old pair of guy jeans the other day to do some work in the garden, put my phone in the pocket, and I thought I had dropped the damn thing as the pockets were so deep!
Halb said:
Recently a friend said something along the lines of, 'you've never cared what you wear do you' meaning that I'll wear what I like and won't care what others think. I do admit at the time I was wearing a sartorial extravaganza even for me, my gymkit sometimes is rather spangly. I'm all for wear what you like. I do like kilts, very freeing. But no good for when you have a cold as I do now. Or fat days.
I like kilts too... I met that kilted guy via an FB kilt forum, he's into his motorbikes now, but he often wore various kilt outfits to work. I have quite a collection of kilts, the Mrs can't stand them...
Especially my pinstripe kilt suit
if I don't wear the sporran (the pouch strapped to the front) it could be mistaken for a ladies skirt suit... but what kilt enthusiasts hate to admit, a kilt is a skirt, though not all skirts are kilts Most times I wear my kilts in slightly warmer weather than we are currently experiencing, the last being a black tie event for work. Nothing but compliments (and from some women, "the question" of what lies beneath
) Kilts are more socially acceptable than ever, Instagram searches reveal hundreds of pictures uploaded each day. It is nice to stand out from the sea of jeans, tracksuits trousers and shorts, so I understand the more daring sartorial choices that some make as guys clothes are generally boring and cliched... men's casual tops have got to have a random number splashed across it in an American Football style, or it's a lumberjack style shirt, or in summer, khaki trousers... though when I wear the kilt, the jibes from guys wearing slim fit trousers so fitted they resemble leggings is ironic...
Each to their own, but ignorance from traditional 'dinosaurs' like Jeremy Clarkson is on the decline... it seems the trip in the Jeep Wrangler didn't go so well for him due to a backlash from viewers of The Grand Tour. I think there is a bit more acceptance from society in general, even though I'm straight the comments I get just for wearing a kilt can be ridiculous. Perhaps as a black guy I should be dressed more like those who dress for the gym, but rarely go...
Every summer, from bus drivers to builders, there's always a headline about guys wearing skirts because of a heatwave (last year it was guys on a Surrey building site, the year before that, Arriva bus drivers in Sweden in pencil skirts) so it seems looser clothing is probably better for guys, especially to prevent your equipment overheating like an Austin Allegro engine... it has been proven to reduce testicular cancer for starters.
Where threads and topics like this lose their way for me is some parents forcing their choice on children ( cliched but a mother who wished for a daughter rather than a son, and son suffers bullying and ostracism as a result) ... such topics are too much for children to take on in my opinion. LBC radio's Nick Ferrari was discussing how they want to teach gender and sexuality to 4 year olds in Reception at school. Let kids be kids for once, there's a mire of political correctness to wade through and it's getting ridiculous. I've been on interviews in the past where it's been wrong for me to ask for black coffee as it's offensive to black people. Apparently it is coffee without milk...
People all have their choices in life, we will never fully understand the choices and diversity and variety but I figure if it doesn't directly affect me, it's no big deal. I used to spend hundreds on kilts and highland wear, but this year I'm saving my money in case of Brexit fallout
more sensible choices saw me bin my Mercedes R350 for something more conventional, same with sartorial choice.Guys are afraid to stand out from the crowd in case of ridicule, but fashion changes. If I was to say in 2003 that slim fit trousers that almost resemble leggings, worn with a short trouser leg so you show off your ankle with no socks, but smart shoes was a thing...
I would have been laughed out of the room
Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:
I see nothing weird about it, he's proud of his boy, who happens to rock a set of rather large eyelashes. And?
Make the most of it,my eldest had eyes like that at that age,often told he was too pretty to be a boy! Now he is 6'2" of hairy hulk!But he DID get a lot of compliments wearing a kilt at his school prom
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