The Gender Non-binary debate.
Discussion
TurboHatchback said:
Interestingly the (real) lesbians I have known have been some of the less tolerant people to this whole trans agenda I have met. They also had little patience for LGBT societies and the like because (and I quote) "the people there base their entire existence and identity around gayness, they can't just get on with being a person who happens to be gay".
That's true of any group though. I'm not sure how this statement from your "real" (sic) lesbian friends somehow proves the non-existence of gender fluidity. Interestingly, a transwoman acquaintance of mine (who I will refer to as H) told me of a group meeting she went to, where they went round the room introducing themselves. It went something like this
"Hi, I'm A. I'm a transwoman who works in.... "
"Hello, I'm B. I'm a transwoman who lives in **** and I work doing... "
...
"I'm H. I'm the owner of successful software business. I also happen to be a transwoman".
TurboHatchback - can I just ask why you are bothering to keep coming back to trot out your intolerant bile? Are you enjoying trolling the thread, or do you care so much about a subject that you purport not to care about that you have to keep coming back? Or are you actually whacking off to futa porn and feeling guilty about it so have to come in here and assert your cis-straightness?
ClockworkCupcake said:
That's true of any group though. I'm not sure how this statement from your "real" (sic) lesbian friends somehow proves the non-existence of gender fluidity.
Interestingly, a transwoman acquaintance of mine (who I will refer to as H) told me of a group meeting she went to, where they went round the room introducing themselves. It went something like this
"Hi, I'm A. I'm a transwoman who works in.... "
"Hello, I'm B. I'm a transwoman who lives in **** and I work doing... "
...
"I'm H. I'm the owner of successful software business. I also happen to be a transwoman".
Interestingly though they all saw themselves as transwomen rather than trans woman ie women who happened to be trans rather than a separate and distinct group. The space matters in pedant land Interestingly, a transwoman acquaintance of mine (who I will refer to as H) told me of a group meeting she went to, where they went round the room introducing themselves. It went something like this
"Hi, I'm A. I'm a transwoman who works in.... "
"Hello, I'm B. I'm a transwoman who lives in **** and I work doing... "
...
"I'm H. I'm the owner of successful software business. I also happen to be a transwoman".
Also felt smug not needing to google fluid bonding then got taken down a pegging or two with futa porn
I do wonder why some on here who have no interest in a subject spend so much time and effort on it. I think there was a study release a few months ago about the correlation between homophobia and repressed homosexuality!
With the made up claims of not being bothered if TurboHatchback woke up tomorrow and found themselves to be a woman they would just get on with their life as if nothing had happened are interesting and maybe a bit Hollywood considering the problems experienced by those cisgender people who take GnRH, spiro, or Cypro for cancer treatment. When you read the side effects sheets and peoples experiences of having their testosterone shut down its pretty much a checklist for gender dysphoria.
p2c said:
Interestingly though they all saw themselves as transwomen rather than trans woman ie women who happened to be trans rather than a separate and distinct group. The space matters in pedant land
Sorry, probably my fault. I was merely transcribing what had been said to me in an oral conversation. Any lack of space is a failing on my part not theirs. The point was the order in which things were said. H was apparently the only one who put "trans woman" at the end of it rather than the start.
p2c said:
Also felt smug not needing to google fluid bonding then got taken down a pegging or two with futa porn
Edit: Also, don't google "pegging".
Edited by ClockworkCupcake on Thursday 20th July 12:02
ClockworkCupcake said:
p2c said:
Interestingly though they all saw themselves as transwomen rather than trans woman ie women who happened to be trans rather than a separate and distinct group. The space matters in pedant land
Sorry, probably my fault. I was merely transcribing what had been said to me in an oral conversation. Any lack of space is a failing on my part not theirs. The point was the order in which things were said. H was apparently the only one who put "trans woman" at the end of it rather than the start.
p2c said:
Also felt smug not needing to google fluid bonding then got taken down a pegging or two with futa porn
ps anyone googled the deliberate mistake, pegging yet
ClockworkCupcake said:
LOL. Very true.
So, returning to xjay1337 asserting that condoms should only be sold to men, and tampons should only be sold to women, and gender-neutral advertising is not needed... I think we've conclusively shown that not to be the case. Mainly because advertising is all b
ks* but also because FlyingMeeces has pointed out that lesbians use condoms too.
* - even if subsequently removed by surgery.
WTF?So, returning to xjay1337 asserting that condoms should only be sold to men, and tampons should only be sold to women, and gender-neutral advertising is not needed... I think we've conclusively shown that not to be the case. Mainly because advertising is all b
ks* but also because FlyingMeeces has pointed out that lesbians use condoms too. * - even if subsequently removed by surgery.
I didn't say that. They can be sold to whoever wants to buy them. We were discussing marketing and gender neutral marketing. to which I said it's pointless and not needed.
What I said is that, GENERALLY SPEAKING (not, I know a trans fem who identifies as a cis male or whatever crap) , women buy/use Tampax and Men buy/use Condoms.
In the same way that most women menstruate. Yes, some don't unfortunately, but genetics tell us that they are SUPPOSED to.
Yes my Mrs has asked me to pick up her stuff before , no I don't know what I'm looking for, she just tells me "the blue one with the green stripe" or whatever.
And I never think, ohhh it's valentines day, know what would really get me a blowie tonight I'll buy that amazing Tampax that was advertised on TV targetted towards blokes...
Gender neutral advertising is NOT needed - people need to stop being sensitive little b
hes.In the same way that MOST nursing home staff are generally female
MOST racing car drivers are male.
MOST people who like cars are male.
MOST people who like handbags are women.
Why would you not advertise directly to your target market?
Stop overly complicating things by saying "oh but it's a woman who has a penis"..... right, still a woman unless they identify as a man.
If they identify as a male (for ex. are a trans male) but like cars then the targeted marking to males would surely apply to them...
If they are a trans male but still like things regarded as feminine IE shopping , handbags, fairies, glitter then why should they expect the market to advertise to what is a very small single (probably decimal) percentage of the population.
Get a freakin grip.
xjay1337 said:
I didn't say that. They can be sold to whoever wants to buy them. We were discussing marketing and gender neutral marketing. to which I said it's pointless and not needed.
Ok, fair enough. Gender-neutral "one size doesn't fit all" marketing is not needed. Not sure what earth-shattering importance this is, but there you go. Clearly it's important to you.
p2c said:
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I do wonder why some on here who have no interest in a subject spend so much time and effort on it. I think there was a study release a few months ago about the correlation between homophobia and repressed homosexuality!
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I think it's more to do with the way that the subject is being pushed into wider society, but nice little dig and those who don't 'conform' to your way of thinking I do wonder why some on here who have no interest in a subject spend so much time and effort on it. I think there was a study release a few months ago about the correlation between homophobia and repressed homosexuality!
.......
. Like most who are comfortable to live-and-let-live, I couldn't give a monkeys how you, or anybody else lives their life. It becomes a topic of interest when it is suggested that we need to change our language to suit those individuals. The subject lets people find out more about the topic to increase their understanding (which is a positive), but it also lets those who object to pointless changes being pushed by a minority group have a say (which you won't want to hear).
The Surveyor said:
Like most who are comfortable to live-and-let-live, I couldn't give a monkeys how you, or anybody else lives their life. It becomes a topic of interest when it is suggested that we need to change our language to suit those individuals. The subject lets people find out more about the topic to increase their understanding (which is a positive), but it also lets those who object to pointless changes being pushed by a minority group have a say (which you won't want to hear).
But that's the key thing isn't it? I'm sure that white male slave-owners saw Women's Suffrage, the abolishment of slavery, and the Civil Rights Movement as all being pointless changes too. Giving the vote to women was seen as pointless by many because they believed that women didn't have the mental capacity to know who to vote for, for example. It's easy to see something as pointless if it doesn't benefit you.
Triumph Man said:
FlyingMeeces said:
if someone isn't fluid bonded with her partner,
Dare I ask what that is?It's someone who does not have unprotected sex (yet, or at all).
Fluid bonded is when you're good with exchanging fluids - you know you're each clean/safe, and you're not having unprotected sex with anybody else.
ClockworkCupcake said:
TurboHatchback - can I just ask why you are bothering to keep coming back to trot out your intolerant bile? Are you enjoying trolling the thread, or do you care so much about a subject that you purport not to care about that you have to keep coming back? Or are you actually whacking off to futa porn and feeling guilty about it so have to come in here and assert your cis-straightness?
I 'keep trotting out my ignorant bile' as it's fascinating to see how and what the people who push this stuff actually think and how they deal with arguments and debate on the subject. The gender issue is now being aggressively pushed into the political mainstream and starting to impose on peoples lives, some countries are even criminalising non-compliance or disagreement (Canada) and left unchallenged it's only a matter of time before such madness spreads over here. I care about the subject because I would like sanity to prevail and am generally against thought policing and censorship to appease minority pressure groups.p2c said:
I do wonder why some on here who have no interest in a subject spend so much time and effort on it. I think there was a study release a few months ago about the correlation between homophobia and repressed homosexuality!
With the made up claims of not being bothered if TurboHatchback woke up tomorrow and found themselves to be a woman they would just get on with their life as if nothing had happened are interesting and maybe a bit Hollywood considering the problems experienced by those cisgender people who take GnRH, spiro, or Cypro for cancer treatment. When you read the side effects sheets and peoples experiences of having their testosterone shut down its pretty much a checklist for gender dysphoria.
Well if I'm a repressed transexual then it's damn well repressed, I'd look bloody horrific in a dress and it would take some spectacular next level cosmetic work to make me look like a woman. Talking about the side effects of drugs is skirting around the actual point, that being that you could replace me with a woman and nothing whatsoever would have to change (clothes, job, house, friends, family, hobbies, possessions, how I talk, how I act, everything). As such I'm interested to hear the explanation of how I'm 'living as a man', what that even means and how 'living as a woman' would be any different. The obvious implication being that if they aren't different then the idea is meaningless.With the made up claims of not being bothered if TurboHatchback woke up tomorrow and found themselves to be a woman they would just get on with their life as if nothing had happened are interesting and maybe a bit Hollywood considering the problems experienced by those cisgender people who take GnRH, spiro, or Cypro for cancer treatment. When you read the side effects sheets and peoples experiences of having their testosterone shut down its pretty much a checklist for gender dysphoria.
xjay1337 said:
people need to stop being sensitive little bhes.
hes.
There's an idea that could solve so many problems.FlyingMeeces said:
Triumph Man said:
FlyingMeeces said:
if someone isn't fluid bonded with her partner,
Dare I ask what that is?It's someone who does not have unprotected sex (yet, or at all).
Fluid bonded is when you're good with exchanging fluids - you know you're each clean/safe, and you're not having unprotected sex with anybody else.
TurboHatchback said:
I 'keep trotting out my ignorant bile' as it's fascinating to see how and what the people who push this stuff actually think and how they deal with arguments and debate on the subject. The gender issue is now being aggressively pushed into the political mainstream and starting to impose on peoples lives, some countries are even criminalising non-compliance or disagreement (Canada) and left unchallenged it's only a matter of time before such madness spreads over here. I care about the subject because I would like sanity to prevail and am generally against thought policing and censorship to appease minority pressure groups.
Just to point out there have been criminal penalties for non compliance of respecting trans identities and confidentiality in this country under the GRA since 2004 in certain (fairly common) circumstances.TurboHatchback said:
I 'keep trotting out my ignorant bile' as it's fascinating to see how and what the people who push this stuff actually think and how they deal with arguments and debate on the subject.
I said intolerant bile, not ignorant bile. One can be informed yet intolerant, which is where you now find yourself having read the replies in this thread. Assuming you read them.
Edited by ClockworkCupcake on Thursday 20th July 14:21
TurboHatchback said:
ClockworkCupcake said:
TurboHatchback - can I just ask why you are bothering to keep coming back to trot out your intolerant bile? Are you enjoying trolling the thread, or do you care so much about a subject that you purport not to care about that you have to keep coming back? Or are you actually whacking off to futa porn and feeling guilty about it so have to come in here and assert your cis-straightness?
I 'keep trotting out my ignorant bile' as it's fascinating to see how and what the people who push this stuff actually think and how they deal with arguments and debate on the subject. The gender issue is now being aggressively pushed into the political mainstream and starting to impose on peoples lives, some countries are even criminalising non-compliance or disagreement (Canada) and left unchallenged it's only a matter of time before such madness spreads over here. I care about the subject because I would like sanity to prevail and am generally against thought policing and censorship to appease minority pressure groups.p2c said:
I do wonder why some on here who have no interest in a subject spend so much time and effort on it. I think there was a study release a few months ago about the correlation between homophobia and repressed homosexuality!
With the made up claims of not being bothered if TurboHatchback woke up tomorrow and found themselves to be a woman they would just get on with their life as if nothing had happened are interesting and maybe a bit Hollywood considering the problems experienced by those cisgender people who take GnRH, spiro, or Cypro for cancer treatment. When you read the side effects sheets and peoples experiences of having their testosterone shut down its pretty much a checklist for gender dysphoria.
Well if I'm a repressed transexual then it's damn well repressed, I'd look bloody horrific in a dress and it would take some spectacular next level cosmetic work to make me look like a woman. Talking about the side effects of drugs is skirting around the actual point, that being that you could replace me with a woman and nothing whatsoever would have to change (clothes, job, house, friends, family, hobbies, possessions, how I talk, how I act, everything). As such I'm interested to hear the explanation of how I'm 'living as a man', what that even means and how 'living as a woman' would be any different. The obvious implication being that if they aren't different then the idea is meaningless.With the made up claims of not being bothered if TurboHatchback woke up tomorrow and found themselves to be a woman they would just get on with their life as if nothing had happened are interesting and maybe a bit Hollywood considering the problems experienced by those cisgender people who take GnRH, spiro, or Cypro for cancer treatment. When you read the side effects sheets and peoples experiences of having their testosterone shut down its pretty much a checklist for gender dysphoria.
xjay1337 said:
people need to stop being sensitive little bhes.
hes. There's an idea that could solve so many problems.Maybe you should go an watch the youtube of gender reassignment surgery, if you cross you legs or switch off after the second cut then maybe see if that answers your question of me and how you might really react tomorrow morning should the trans fairy decided to deliver to you what many trans people dream of.
I'll let you google it rather than post on here, but there is the animated version for wimps and the full graphic surgical video if your up to it.
Edited by p2c on Thursday 20th July 14:33
ClockworkCupcake said:
I wouldn't bother, p2c. As the old saying goes, "there's none so deaf as those that won't listen". You're flogging a dead horse. 
Oh no, I hadn't realised he identified as a dead horse. I just thought it was a regular living walking talking opposable thumbs one, well in-between being a planet and trans racial. I'd never speak bad of the dead.lol yeah I know.
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