The Gender Non-binary debate.

[ClockworkCupcake]

xjay1337 said:

I'm sure WW is the same as me - perfectly open to other peoples choices and views but why create all these stupid meaningless phrases when perfectly good ones already exist?

And yet you use "1337" in your username, rather than "elite". Why all these h4x0rz have 2 come up with l33tspk I don't know. Stupid meaningless phrases.

By the way (or, should I say, "in addition to what I just said, slightly changing the subject but loosely related"), the word lexicon has been in use for several hundred years. I realise this might be a bit new-fangled.

ETA: In the age of information, ignorance is a choice.

[catso]

p2c said:

medical cishet sources.

Lost me...

[spitfire4v8]

ClockworkCupcake said:

ETA: In the age of information, ignorance is a choice.

o/t but i quite like that, do you mind if I borrow it for future use? It will probably come in handy on here ..

[ClockworkCupcake]

spitfire4v8 said:

o/t but i quite like that, do you mind if I borrow it for future use? It will probably come in handy on here ..

It's a meme that is all over the internet, so by all means feel free. I didn't invent it, merely used it.

[FlyingMeeces]

catso said:

p2c said:

medical cishet sources.

Lost me...

Heterosexual is straight and cisgender is the opposite of trans. Cis is a biochemistry term which got adopted - cis isomers have two functional groups on the same side and trans isomers have one 'diagonally' across from the other. Cishet is a contraction, less of a mouthful than 'non-lesbian-gay-bi-trans-queer-etcetera people'.

Let's not bother with the whine about how some non trans people don't like being described as cis, we've already done that on PH and it was tedious as fk.

[WinstonWolf]

FlyingMeeces said:

catso said:

p2c said:

medical cishet sources.

Lost me...

Heterosexual is straight and cisgender is the opposite of trans. Cis is a biochemistry term which got adopted - cis isomers have two functional groups on the same side and trans isomers have one 'diagonally' across from the other. Cishet is a contraction, less of a mouthful than 'non-lesbian-gay-bi-trans-queer-etcetera people'.

Let's not bother with the whine about how some non trans people don't like being described as cis, we've already done that on PH and it was tedious as fk.

And you'll obviously respect our wishes if you want us to respect yours?

[ClockworkCupcake]

WinstonWolf said:

And you'll obviously respect our wishes if you want us to respect yours?

Dude, you're in IT. You know how jargon comes about, and how it's sometimes difficult to remember what is industry jargon and what is mainstream vocabulary.

I'm treating these new words as an education, rather than moaning that I don't understand them. I don't intend to ever stop learning until the day I die.

I'll probably not actually use any of them, but I'm always happy to add them to my "mental dictionary that is a superset of my vocabulary" (which I sometimes refer to as a lexicon).

[WinstonWolf]

ClockworkCupcake said:

WinstonWolf said:

And you'll obviously respect our wishes if you want us to respect yours?

Dude, you're in IT. You know how jargon comes about, and how it's sometimes difficult to remember what is industry jargon and what is mainstream vocabulary.

I'm treating these new words as an education, rather than moaning that I don't understand them. I don't intend to ever stop learning until the day I die.

I'll probably not actually use any of them, but I'm always happy to add them to my "mental dictionary that is a superset of my vocabulary" (which I sometimes refer to as a lexicon).

My beef is the double standards, "we want you to respect our wishes but won't respect yours"

Not aimed at you!

[Johnnytheboy]

FlyingMeeces said:

Heterosexual is straight and cisgender is the opposite of trans. Cis is a biochemistry term which got adopted - cis isomers have two functional groups on the same side and trans isomers have one 'diagonally' across from the other. Cishet is a contraction, less of a mouthful than 'non-lesbian-gay-bi-trans-queer-etcetera people'.

Let's not bother with the whine about how some non trans people don't like being described as cis, we've already done that on PH and it was tedious as fk.

Don't label me as cishet, I find it offensive.

[Triumph Man]

I admit I did chuckle a bit when my boss and I were chatting about the van he hired at the weekend and he exclaimed that he really wanted "a big tranny"

[Mothersruin]

To put his load into?

[Sylvaforever]

Never saw that one coming...

[Halb]

ClockworkCupcake said:

Me neither, but I accept that people use it and that it is a term that is in use. I just shrugged, added it to my lexicon, and moved on.

I think some people just like to get all agitated and mean just to pass the time. Might be the way they were raised.

spitfire4v8 said:

ClockworkCupcake said:

ETA: In the age of information, ignorance is a choice.

o/t but i quite like that, do you mind if I borrow it for future use? It will probably come in handy on here ..

On an hourly basis on here.

[gregs656]

WinstonWolf said:

'unprotected sex' seems to suffice for most people.

I suppose terms like fluid-bonded imply a positive choice rather than a mistake.

xjay1337 said:

What the hell is a lexicon? Again, pointless words. I assume you mean vocabulary.

I'm sure WW is the same as me - perfectly open to other peoples choices and views but why create all these stupid meaningless phrases when perfectly good ones already exist?

Lets ban all synonyms, shall we? Actually shall we get rid of the word synonym and just go with 'words what mean the same as other words'?

Your second point goes back to my earlier point about citing a particular period of a language as correct - terms get invented all the time; sometimes they catch on, sometimes they don't.

WinstonWolf said:

My beef is the double standards, "we want you to respect our wishes but won't respect yours"

Not aimed at you!

I think that is a misunderstanding of the situation - perhaps I am wrong - but from my understanding the desire is to be recognised and accepted for being who they are.

Generally I think people find a great capacity to recognise and accept all kinds of people - but for what ever reason gender and sexuality are still big barriers.

[p2c]

WinstonWolf said:

My beef is the double standards, "we want you to respect our wishes but won't respect yours"

Not aimed at you!

I think the standard you desire is not an equal one though. Trans people do not question the identify of non trans people but they do not have their own identity respected in reverse.

I don't see any trans people rejecting common English language except when it is universally regarded as offensive, but then we are getting into the realms of the N word etc. Conversely in the last few pages non trans people have complained about trans people using words that are not even bonded by fluid or anything else to the LGBT lexicon.

Double standards have no place, but when it comes to the point that a TfL announcement which includes non binary people is seen as giving them special privilege when it is at best putting them on an equal footing on one tiny part of existence, an existence which has them falling well behind in equality much of the time, then the double standard is swung entirely in the non trans favour.

I am all for respecting your language of conversation up to the point it uses offensive terms. I wont however bow to faux outrage about words and terms that are used and not commonly regarded as offensive although I have avoided the use of cis in this post.

I'm quite happy to have a discussion on the merits and pitfalls of some of the trans language but as has been pointed out by CC it goes downhill and bore some quite quickly and the double standard is that its the trans vocabulary that is under dissection when there is no such spotlight placed upon aspects of your life.

[ClockworkCupcake]

As an amusing intermission, here is an article from Alistair Dabbs on the IT buzzwords currently doing the rounds.

I'm not entirely sure if you need to be fluid-bonded to use teledildonics or fibre-bonded.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/21/ten_new_t...

Edited by ClockworkCupcake on Friday 21st July 17:10

[WinstonWolf]

p2c said:

WinstonWolf said:

My beef is the double standards, "we want you to respect our wishes but won't respect yours"

Not aimed at you!

I think the standard you desire is not an equal one though. Trans people do not question the identify of non trans people but they do not have their own identity respected in reverse.

I don't see any trans people rejecting common English language except when it is universally regarded as offensive, but then we are getting into the realms of the N word etc. Conversely in the last few pages non trans people have complained about trans people using words that are not even bonded by fluid or anything else to the LGBT lexicon.

Double standards have no place, but when it comes to the point that a TfL announcement which includes non binary people is seen as giving them special privilege when it is at best putting them on an equal footing on one tiny part of existence, an existence which has them falling well behind in equality much of the time, then the double standard is swung entirely in the non trans favour.

I am all for respecting your language of conversation up to the point it uses offensive terms. I wont however bow to faux outrage about words and terms that are used and not commonly regarded as offensive although I have avoided the use of cis in this post.

I'm quite happy to have a discussion on the merits and pitfalls of some of the trans language but as has been pointed out by CC it goes downhill and bore some quite quickly and the double standard is that its the trans vocabulary that is under dissection when there is no such spotlight placed upon aspects of your life.

Just avoid using the cis bks and we'll be fine.

[ClockworkCupcake]

WinstonWolf said:

Just avoid using the cis bks and we'll be fine.

I think that bks, by definition, are a cis thing.

[xjay1337]

ClockworkCupcake said:

And yet you use "1337" in your username, rather than "elite". Why all these h4x0rz have 2 come up with l33tspk I don't know. Stupid meaningless phrases.

By the way (or, should I say, "in addition to what I just said, slightly changing the subject but loosely related"), the word lexicon has been in use for several hundred years. I realise this might be a bit new-fangled.

ETA: In the age of information, ignorance is a choice.

What does my choice of username (made when I was 14) have to do with anything?

Likewise noone (of sane mind) would ever proclaim themselves to be "leet" in a serious manner. So your (poor) argument is invalid.

Lexicon is not a commonly used word. Certainly I've never heard of it or read it until today.

[ClockworkCupcake]

xjay1337 said:

What does my choice of username (made when I was 14) have to do with anything?

Because leet is a good example of how certain groups have their own words and idioms. Something which you seem to have a problem with. I just thought it a little ironic, that's all.

As for the fact that you haven't heard of a word that is in the dictionary, that's hardly my fault. If you don't understand a word you look it up, you don't reply to the person "talk dumber for me, cos I is fick".

Edit: Although you could say "Gosh darn it Ms. Cupcake. You use your tongue perdier than a 20 dollar we"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37v-6Zs5T10

Edited by ClockworkCupcake on Friday 21st July 19:59