The Gender Non-binary debate.

[George Smiley]

98elise said:

My daughter has mental health issues. We waited at least 18 month for treatment, and when it came it was 6 sessions of group therapy which is totally useless for someone with social anxiety. She simply said nothing for the first 3 sessions, then very little for the remaining 3.

Sadly enough my suicidal friends just had her intensive assessment and put on an 18 month waiting list for some therapy


If she’s not dead by then she will have cured herself

[Noodle1982]

Are you trans? Do you live in Canada? Have you had your feelings, dignity and self respect damaged recently? You could be entitled to $35000 compensation.....

https://www.thestar.com/amp/vancouver/2019/03/27/t...

[Davos123]

Noodle1982 said:

Have you had your feelings, dignity and self respect damaged recently?

Bit more than that, innit.

article said:

The flyers Whatcott distributed described Oger as a “biological male” and a “transvestite” who is “embracing transgender propaganda and trying to live a lie.” They referenced Oger’s pre-transition name alongside a photo of her before she transitioned.

Distributing hate-filled flyers attacking the very being of an individual. Disgusting behaviour and he got what he deserved.

[Noodle1982]

I brought up the trans Vs religion topic over 100 pages ago. It is just one of my earlier questions that had replies of 'thats a straw man argument etc' that seems to be becoming reality.

[Davos123]

Noodle1982 said:

trans Vs religion

Why would there be any conflict between religion and trans rights?

[gregs656]

Noodle1982 said:

I brought up the trans Vs religion topic over 100 pages ago. It is just one of my earlier questions that had replies of 'thats a straw man argument etc' that seems to be becoming reality.

I am not sure if it is a straw man but I am not sure why you would treat it any differently to Religion vs anything?

[Noodle1982]

gregs656 said:

Noodle1982 said:

I brought up the trans Vs religion topic over 100 pages ago. It is just one of my earlier questions that had replies of 'thats a straw man argument etc' that seems to be becoming reality.

I am not sure if it is a straw man but I am not sure why you would treat it any differently to Religion vs anything?

An example i gave earlier in the thread....you are in the work place and you have a transgender person and a jehovah witness (other religions are available). The jehovah witness refuses point blankly to aknowledge the trans person as anything but their biological sex.

What happens then? Continuous misgendering, according to some posters in this thread, is a hate crime.

[George Smiley]

are you allowed to say "the trans"? Shouldn't it be "the transgender female"? Even I've learnt to use the pronouns properly as not to upset the trans.

[George Smiley]

Noodle1982 said:

gregs656 said:

Noodle1982 said:

I brought up the trans Vs religion topic over 100 pages ago. It is just one of my earlier questions that had replies of 'thats a straw man argument etc' that seems to be becoming reality.

I am not sure if it is a straw man but I am not sure why you would treat it any differently to Religion vs anything?

An example i gave earlier in the thread....you are in the work place and you have a transgender person and a jehovah witness (other religions are available). The jehovah witness refuses point blankly to aknowledge the trans person as anything but their biological sex.

What happens then? Continuous misgendering, according to some posters in this thread, is a hate crime.

its no different to those catholics that chose to not make a wedding cake for a gay couple. The gay couples rights took precedence, they won the case and were said to be cock-a-hoop at the result.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Noodle1982 said:

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What happens then? Continuous misgendering, according to some posters in this thread, is a hate crime.

As someone mentioned earlier, you are in a situation of "Minorities Top Trumps" and the best course of action is that they don't talk to each other.

Not the answer you were looking for, I know.

[Noodle1982]

I'm just glad i'm a white, straight, biological male atheist.

I don't have any rights or privileges when it comes to minority groups so i know exactly where i stand. Comply or die*

• Not literally.......yet.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Noodle1982 said:

I'm just glad i'm a white, straight, biological male atheist.

I don't have any rights or privileges when it comes to minority groups so i know exactly where i stand. Comply or die

Oh, the poor oppressed majority.

The poor gammons - take away a tiny bit of the privilege they are used to, by asking them to think of others for once, and suddenly they think they're oppressed.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Thursday 28th March 18:43

[Noodle1982]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Noodle1982 said:

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What happens then? Continuous misgendering, according to some posters in this thread, is a hate crime.

As someone mentioned earlier, you are in a situation of "Minorities Top Trumps" and the best course of action is that they don't talk to each other.

Not the answer you were looking for, I know.

But does the religious person have the right to misgender the trans person?

Does the trans person have to respect the religious persons view?

It's a case of an unstoppable object hitting an unmovable object.

They both want their views respected to an extent, but wont respect the other person's view.

[gregs656]

Noodle1982 said:

An example i gave earlier in the thread....you are in the work place and you have a transgender person and a jehovah witness (other religions are available). The jehovah witness refuses point blankly to aknowledge the trans person as anything but their biological sex.

What happens then? Continuous misgendering, according to some posters in this thread, is a hate crime.

I think the JW would be on a sticky wicket there, but I am still not sure your point is as interesting as you think it is because Religion clashes regularly with various elements of civilised society.

I think what members of civilised society want to see in the long run is the significantly reduced importance and value that is placed on religious thought, but until then we just have to rub a long as best we can, no?

[George Smiley]

Noodle1982 said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Noodle1982 said:

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What happens then? Continuous misgendering, according to some posters in this thread, is a hate crime.

As someone mentioned earlier, you are in a situation of "Minorities Top Trumps" and the best course of action is that they don't talk to each other.

Not the answer you were looking for, I know.

But does the religious person have the right to misgender the trans person?

Does the trans person have to respect the religious persons view?

It's a case of an unstoppable object hitting an unmovable object.

They both want their views respected to an extent, but wont respect the other person's view.

No one has the right to misgender a transgender woman or man. Religion is based on nothing but myths, farytales and mind control and yet it is still the bedrock of our progressive society. I would never like to see a world where a religious belief can cause discrimination against someone but at the same time I wouldn't want the protected minorities to purposefully rattle the sabre at the religious (as was the case with the gay wedding couple).

I would also love to see some bloody balances put in place to protect white straight males too.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

George Smiley said:

I would also love to see some bloody balances put in place to protect white straight males too.

Don't worry - I doubt we'll see the eradication of make white privilege in our lifetimes.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

George Smiley said:

No one has the right to misgender a transgender woman or man. Religion is based on nothing but myths, farytales and mind control and yet it is still the bedrock of our progressive society. I would never like to see a world where a religious belief can cause discrimination against someone but at the same time I wouldn't want the protected minorities to purposefully rattle the sabre at the religious (as was the case with the gay wedding couple).

I mostly agree with you here actually.

[Noodle1982]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

George Smiley said:

I would also love to see some bloody balances put in place to protect white straight males too.

Don't worry - I doubt we'll see the eradication of make white privilege in our lifetimes.

Still to this day i am yet to discover what privileges i have over other people simply for being a white male.

[George Smiley]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

George Smiley said:

No one has the right to misgender a transgender woman or man. Religion is based on nothing but myths, farytales and mind control and yet it is still the bedrock of our progressive society. I would never like to see a world where a religious belief can cause discrimination against someone but at the same time I wouldn't want the protected minorities to purposefully rattle the sabre at the religious (as was the case with the gay wedding couple).

I mostly agree with you here actually.

Which is the bit you don't agree with me on?

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Noodle1982 said:

Still to this day i am yet to discover what privileges i have over other people simply for being a white male.

You don't recognise them because you take them for granted and consider them normal.

Like a lot of things, you don't know what you have until you find yourself without it.