The Gender Non-binary debate.

[Funkycoldribena]

Spanna said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5073511/Te...

Seems the child in question weren't too miffed after 'correcting' the teacher but the mother complains weeks later.

This is the problem when people say live and let live and its no problem identifying with what you want to be.
Causes this sort of st.

[Murph7355]

The Surveyor said:

You reap what you sow, or that's how it used to be!

If you believe in freedom of expression and believe your child can present as they wish, you have to accept that other people are equally free to hold differing opinions and beliefs. It's a sad day for basic discipline and mutual respect when a school lets the parents of one 'special' child write the school rules to the detriment of the rest of the school.

This.

[Triumph Man]

Europa1 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Do we now have 3 threads on this topic that should become 1?

I think you may be right - all 3 are turning into a general discussion of trans issues.

Mine whines and leaks oil. Any tips?

[skinnyman]

Spanna said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5073511/Te...

Seems the child in question weren't too miffed after 'correcting' the teacher but the mother complains weeks later.

From what I read on the BBC website he said "well done girls", pretty standard thing to say, he hardly berated the pupil in front of the class regarding her/his gender, but yet again it's the professionally insulted that pop up and ruin it for everyone else. That could have been a very talented teacher, that the school and class could end up losing, because the pupils mother is a bit soft & fluffy.

[Captain Smerc]

Triumph Man said:

Europa1 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Do we now have 3 threads on this topic that should become 1?

I think you may be right - all 3 are turning into a general discussion of trans issues.

Mine whines and leaks oil. Any tips?

[Justayellowbadge]

He does sound a bit of an arse. It's nothing to do with one slip, but his general sky pixie wierdness.

[The Surveyor]

Justayellowbadge said:

He does sound a bit of an arse. It's nothing to do with one slip, but his general sky pixie wierdness.

If he's been sacked for holding 'sky pixie' beliefs, should the pupil not also be chucked out of the school for being a cross-dressing wierdo.... ? If not, why not?

[Justayellowbadge]

The Surveyor said:

Justayellowbadge said:

He does sound a bit of an arse. It's nothing to do with one slip, but his general sky pixie wierdness.

If he's been sacked for holding 'sky pixie' beliefs, should the pupil not also be chucked out of the school for being a cross-dressing wierdo.... ? If not, why not?

Not arguing the rights or wrongs - just that the initial spin on the story seems to fall down when reading a bunch of other things he has done/stated.

[The Surveyor]

Justayellowbadge said:

Not arguing the rights or wrongs - just that the initial spin on the story seems to fall down when reading a bunch of other things he has done/stated.

He does appear to hold some stronger beliefs than others, but is he not as entitled to hold those view as a pupil and parent who has their own unconventional perspective? You can't sack a teacher for violating an individual's rights of free expression and then use their own free expression against them.

[Justayellowbadge]

The Surveyor said:

He does appear to hold some stronger beliefs than others, but is he not as entitled to hold those view as a pupil and parent who has their own unconventional perspective? You can't sack a teacher for violating an individual's rights of free expression and then use their own free expression against them.

My only point is they didn't sack him for that, they used it to get rid of someone that didn't fit.

[Mothersruin]

Justayellowbadge said:

The Surveyor said:

He does appear to hold some stronger beliefs than others, but is he not as entitled to hold those view as a pupil and parent who has their own unconventional perspective? You can't sack a teacher for violating an individual's rights of free expression and then use their own free expression against them.

My only point is they didn't sack him for that, they used it to get rid of someone that didn't fit.

I get the impression that education establishments are very much a party line type of place.

[Halb]

Not quite the slant the original story had.

THis guy would fit in well here.

http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/878973/P...

[bigkeeko]

I only know one transgender guy. He identifies (this week) as a woman. fking screwball if the truth be told. If he was in a wheelchair he'd say he was a cyborg. As far as i'm concerned it's been two genders for as long as our arses have pointed down the way on this planet and I'm not pretending someone is something else to make them feel better.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

bigkeeko said:

I only know one transgender guy. He identifies (this week) as a woman. fking screwball if the truth be told. If he was in a wheelchair he'd say he was a cyborg. As far as i'm concerned it's been two genders for as long as our arses have pointed down the way on this planet and I'm not pretending someone is something else to make them feel better.

I imagine you expect gay men to 'man up' and 'stop acting like a fking poof' too. wker.

[bigkeeko]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

I imagine you expect gay men to 'man up' and 'stop acting like a fking poof' too. wker.

You probably imagine loads of things when wearing your mum's underwear.

Reality check.

Not everyone is boarding your `sexual perversion` train and denying basic biology to suit a few whackos feelings regardless of what the pandering media spew out. Get your big boys/girls pants on and deal with it.

[The Surveyor]

Mothersruin said:

Justayellowbadge said:

The Surveyor said:

He does appear to hold some stronger beliefs than others, but is he not as entitled to hold those view as a pupil and parent who has their own unconventional perspective? You can't sack a teacher for violating an individual's rights of free expression and then use their own free expression against them.

My only point is they didn't sack him for that, they used it to get rid of someone that didn't fit.

I get the impression that education establishments are very much a party line type of place.

They're weak and take the path of least resistance.

They suspended him because he failed (either accidentally or more likely deliberately) to acknowledge the transgender pupil in the way they wished. The point being his own rights to hold his beliefs have been disregarded in favour of the rights of the pupil. I'm sure he's very upset about the way he's been treated as well as being out of work and potentially a great loss to the education system, but hay lets not upset some confused child who wants to play dress-up. How's that ever going to help the child deal with the turmoil they're clearly going through?

[otolith]

Justayellowbadge said:

He does sound a bit of an arse. It's nothing to do with one slip, but his general sky pixie wierdness.

He does.

[The Surveyor]

otolith said:

Justayellowbadge said:

He does sound a bit of an arse. It's nothing to do with one slip, but his general sky pixie wierdness.

He does.

who'd be a teacher......

[8.4L 154]

The Surveyor said:

Mothersruin said:

Justayellowbadge said:

The Surveyor said:

He does appear to hold some stronger beliefs than others, but is he not as entitled to hold those view as a pupil and parent who has their own unconventional perspective? You can't sack a teacher for violating an individual's rights of free expression and then use their own free expression against them.

My only point is they didn't sack him for that, they used it to get rid of someone that didn't fit.

I get the impression that education establishments are very much a party line type of place.

They're weak and take the path of least resistance.

They suspended him because he failed (either accidentally or more likely deliberately) to acknowledge the transgender pupil in the way they wished. The point being his own rights to hold his beliefs have been disregarded in favour of the rights of the pupil. I'm sure he's very upset about the way he's been treated as well as being out of work and potentially a great loss to the education system, but hay lets not upset some confused child who wants to play dress-up. How's that ever going to help the child deal with the turmoil they're clearly going through?

As a teacher he is not there to teach his own agenda, he is employed to teach the curriculum and follow equality law. His religious rights do not come into it. He leaves those at the school gates to be picked up when he goes back to his personal life where he is free to preach what he likes and is protected by that same equality law from discrimination from other service providers.

It is clear this was far from a one off incident, but rather the straw that broke the Camels back and likely also too he is a victim of the media and anti trans agenda which surely after his publicity and performance on ITV This Morning he has surely now guaranteed he will loose his job.

Edited by 8.4L 154 on Tuesday 14th November 11:14

[Mothersruin]

Anti trans agenda?

Certainly not something I've seen in the media. They appear to fall over themselves to give airtime to a very small minority.