The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain
Discussion
Klippie said:
Any news on the SMR's from Rolls Royce, its been a while since I've read anything about them, but I'll bet the government are dragging their heels on this to keep promoting its mental net zero agenda that they have going.
As soon as Hunt got in the government went on a go slow on this. The point of the current agenda isn't to arrive at cheap reliable power that is low carbon. Klippie said:
Any news on the SMR's from Rolls Royce, its been a while since I've read anything about them, but I'll bet the government are dragging their heels on this to keep promoting its mental net zero agenda that they have going.
They’d better get a move on as GE-Hitachi’s BWRX-300 SMR is ready for prime time with delivery contracts already in place. They recently submitted to the UK authorities for approval. Although the UK’s obsession with arrogantly, yet poorly, reinventing the wheel instead of buying off the shelf kit, thus wasting billions and decades in the process will no doubt stymie any British efforts around SMR deployment.
dvs_dave said:
Klippie said:
Any news on the SMR's from Rolls Royce, its been a while since I've read anything about them, but I'll bet the government are dragging their heels on this to keep promoting its mental net zero agenda that they have going.
They’d better get a move on as GE-Hitachi’s BWRX-300 SMR is ready for prime time with delivery contracts already in place. They recently submitted to the UK authorities for approval. Although the UK’s obsession with arrogantly, yet poorly, reinventing the wheel instead of buying off the shelf kit, thus wasting billions and decades in the process will no doubt stymie any British efforts around SMR deployment.
hidetheelephants said:
Who's reinventing what? There are no SMRs being built, until a spade is turned they're all paper reactors and of equally nebulous value.
Just saying this GEH SMR appears to be a lot further along the path to reality than the others, likely because it’s just simpler. Good luck to RR et al, but they seem to be a long way behind.Should the UK wait for a home grown one because it has a RR badge on it, or start going with other options that are perhaps decades closer to reality?
dvs_dave said:
Just saying this GEH SMR appears to be a lot further along the path to reality than the others, likely because it’s just simpler. Good luck to RR et al, but they seem to be a long way behind.
Should the UK wait for a home grown one because it has a RR badge on it, or start going with other options that are perhaps decades closer to reality?
Do we know for sure that other options are genuinely decades closer??Should the UK wait for a home grown one because it has a RR badge on it, or start going with other options that are perhaps decades closer to reality?
If they are, then you may have a point. But also need to be paying attention to self-reliance. If the differences aren't that great time-wise, it makes sense to promote "home grown" (not that many things really are these days, for most countries).
Its amazing really...we are desperate for a long term and relatively cheap sustainable energy supply and the UK is doing what we do best...bugger all.
These SMR's are the answer for all our energy needs for the forseable future or until/if Fusion happens, build plenty of them so we can export power and creat an income to cover the running costs...is this too easy.
But we are sitting back waiting for the wind to blow and sun to shine then virtue signal to the world how green and great we are, the cost of all this is staggering, but its being allowed to go on and we are expected to put up with very expensive electricity while massive profits are being made by the suppliers and gernerators...but we are green so everything is just great.
As usual everyone must pay more to satisfy the greed of others.
These SMR's are the answer for all our energy needs for the forseable future or until/if Fusion happens, build plenty of them so we can export power and creat an income to cover the running costs...is this too easy.
But we are sitting back waiting for the wind to blow and sun to shine then virtue signal to the world how green and great we are, the cost of all this is staggering, but its being allowed to go on and we are expected to put up with very expensive electricity while massive profits are being made by the suppliers and gernerators...but we are green so everything is just great.
As usual everyone must pay more to satisfy the greed of others.
Klippie said:
But we are sitting back waiting for the wind to blow and sun to shine then virtue signal to the world how green and great we are, the cost of all this is staggering, but its being allowed to go on and we are expected to put up with very expensive electricity while massive profits are being made by the suppliers and gernerators...but we are green so everything is just great.
And yet the reason electricity prices are up is due to high fossil fuel costs due to the war in Ukraine.... But never let the facts get in the way of an illogical argument!
Condi said:
Klippie said:
But we are sitting back waiting for the wind to blow and sun to shine then virtue signal to the world how green and great we are, the cost of all this is staggering, but its being allowed to go on and we are expected to put up with very expensive electricity while massive profits are being made by the suppliers and gernerators...but we are green so everything is just great.
And yet the reason electricity prices are up is due to high fossil fuel costs due to the war in Ukraine.... But never let the facts get in the way of an illogical argument!
The sooner people get their heads around renewables reducing electricity generated via gas (and thereby the gas becomes the battery store as it were), the better.
Murph7355 said:
Do we know for sure that other options are genuinely decades closer??
If they are, then you may have a point. But also need to be paying attention to self-reliance. If the differences aren't that great time-wise, it makes sense to promote "home grown" (not that many things really are these days, for most countries).
According to the video I linked, it certainly seems that way. The construction of the first commercial one broke ground this past December in Canada, with a target completion of 2028.If they are, then you may have a point. But also need to be paying attention to self-reliance. If the differences aren't that great time-wise, it makes sense to promote "home grown" (not that many things really are these days, for most countries).
Gary C said:
dvs_dave said:
According to the video I linked, it certainly seems that way. The construction of the first commercial one broke ground this past December in Canada, with a target completion of 2028.
Are you sure ?As far as I am aware OPG have only applied for a construction licence so far.
Has anyone actually watched the video before commenting? Seems not.
Gary C said:
Are you sure ?
As far as I am aware OPG have only applied for a construction licence so far.
According t' news it's already happeningAs far as I am aware OPG have only applied for a construction licence so far.
https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1002543/ontario...
tamore said:
can't help but think that with the pace of renewable rollout and advances in storage tech, that anything coming online around 2030 will be obsolete/ unrequired before churning out a single electron.
You are Nick Clegg AICMFP.There will be no such thing as "unrequired" power sources by 2030. Especially ones that see us self-sufficient.
Murph7355 said:
You are Nick Clegg AICMFP.
There will be no such thing as "unrequired" power sources by 2030. Especially ones that see us self-sufficient.
my delorean is knackered so i guess we'll just have to wait and see. big private money being ploughed in now, and that's where things normally get interesting. don't get me wrong, this is a monumental shift required and Dunkelflaute has to be addressed. no idea what the answer is, but GW for GW nuclear for renewables sounds expensive.There will be no such thing as "unrequired" power sources by 2030. Especially ones that see us self-sufficient.
and if i were a politician, i'd just say 'hydrogen' in a very authoritative way without knowing what the f
k that would actually entail, and how absurd it is to claim it as a panacea. 
Edited by tamore on Sunday 2nd April 23:02
tamore said:
can't help but think that with the pace of renewable rollout and advances in storage tech, that anything coming online around 2030 will be obsolete/ unrequired before churning out a single electron.
Two week blocking high in January, not unknown. Short gloomy days and not a breath of wind. How big a battery are you going to need to run the entire country for a fortnight? Not that the big companies pushing for 100% renewables will care: they'll already have had their money when our world-leading "green superpower" electricity network goes tits up in sub-zero temperatures.Renewables are nice. Free energy, what's not to like? But they are about as dependable as a fifteen year old Alfa. We got away from having our lives ruled by the weather some time in the 19th century: personally I really don't want to go back there.
Condi said:
And yet the reason electricity prices are up is due to high fossil fuel costs due to the war in Ukraine....
But never let the facts get in the way of an illogical argument!
Which is because we are reliant on renewables that need gas as a backup. If we had switched to a different form of low carbon electricity that didn't require gas generation as a backup then we wouldn't have had this problem. But never let the facts get in the way of an illogical argument!
On the subject of which the government's support for business energy costs is changing from 1 April to a much less generous scheme and thousands of businesses are expected to be in severe difficulties as a result.
pghstochaj said:
Condi said:
Klippie said:
But we are sitting back waiting for the wind to blow and sun to shine then virtue signal to the world how green and great we are, the cost of all this is staggering, but its being allowed to go on and we are expected to put up with very expensive electricity while massive profits are being made by the suppliers and gernerators...but we are green so everything is just great.
And yet the reason electricity prices are up is due to high fossil fuel costs due to the war in Ukraine.... But never let the facts get in the way of an illogical argument!
The sooner people get their heads around renewables reducing electricity generated via gas (and thereby the gas becomes the battery store as it were), the better.
Another issue in some places (US) is that they’re struggling to get enough boats, because as wind turbines keep getting bigger the older boats become out of date and so ‘useless’ so boat companies are waiting with orders. Not helped by the US saying the boat needs to be registered (I think it was) in the US.
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