The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain

[WatchfulEye]

National grid issues "gas deficit warning" as large industrial customers are being asked to curtail usage.

Fortunate that it is very windy and we still have some coal power left. Would have been interesting if we'd phased out coal more aggressively for CCGT.

[PRTVR]

WatchfulEye said:

National grid issues "gas deficit warning" as large industrial customers are being asked to curtail usage.

And with high demand comes higher prices, good job we are not mostly reliant on a gas for most of our electricity production
Perhaps this is why the few remaining coal stations are running flat out now, well untill they are shut down and we are totally dependent on gas, it's just madness.

[V8 Fettler]

WatchfulEye said:

National grid issues "gas deficit warning" as large industrial customers are being asked to curtail usage.

Fortunate that it is very windy and we still have some coal power left. Would have been interesting if we'd phased out coal more aggressively for CCGT.

Gas should not be used for baseload.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-...

[V8 Fettler]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

rolando said:

There's sod all pointless or childish in asking if there is a solution to intermittency of unreliables. You prove your ignorance on the subject by failing to answer the question.

Repeating the same question ad infinitum until all the readers of this thread eyes bleed Is Childish.
Especially as it seems to be rolled out as the "go to" response when proven wrong on a previous inane post. Again.

It's like the small child on the back seat of the car swing "Are we nearly there yet". The answer is the same. The solution does not come quicker. Just pisses off the grown ups.

We are all aware or the concerns of intermittency and I have posted many times on that on how it is being planned and engineered around, but you don't like the answers. You like Coal.

Currently, the only viable answer on a large scale is pumped storage.

I like coal.

[rolando]

V8 Fettler said:

Currently, the only viable answer on a large scale is pumped storage.

I like coal.

The only problem with pumped storage is that we don't have the topography.
Agree with you on coal.

[Ali G]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

We are all aware or the concerns of intermittency and I have posted many times on that on how it is being planned and engineered around, but you don't like the answers.

Actually - you have not.

Some vague reference to interconnects - but no definitive proposed solution.

And intermittency is not just a slight inconvenience to renewables inc. it is pretty much the entire reason why there is so much scorn for it.

So give it your best shot Paddy - is it batteries, pumped hydro, interconnects or leprechauns?

[Ali G]

andymadmak said:

quod erat demonstrandum, surely?

Quite so.

[V8 Fettler]

rolando said:

V8 Fettler said:

Currently, the only viable answer on a large scale is pumped storage.

I like coal.

The only problem with pumped storage is that we don't have the topography.
Agree with you on coal.

We can build pumped storage solutions, albeit at a cost of a few £trillion.

I see coal is off the scale yet again this morning, well done coal. Pity we didn't have more coal capacity for cold snaps when gas is running low.

[Toltec]

Ali G said:

andymadmak said:

quod erat demonstrandum, surely?

Quite so.

Or Quantum Electrodynamics

[Toltec]

V8 Fettler said:

rolando said:

V8 Fettler said:

Currently, the only viable answer on a large scale is pumped storage.

I like coal.

The only problem with pumped storage is that we don't have the topography.
Agree with you on coal.

We can build pumped storage solutions, albeit at a cost of a few £trillion.

I see coal is off the scale yet again this morning, well done coal. Pity we didn't have more coal capacity for cold snaps when gas is running low.

To be fair wind is supplying nearly as much as coal at the moment, which is useful.

[Ali G]

And if it were able to keep doing so, there would be no gripes (I actually have a soft spot for the mahoosive offshore kit - but don't tell Paddy)

What really boils my bladder is why has so much dosh been spent in pursuit of a concept which has such a fundamental flaw that has no apparent solution.

A car with no wheels, a plane with no wings, a telly with no screen etc.

[Oakey]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

Ahh

I’m not a Turbine manufacturer- but had a model or two on the desk. Pm me and I’ll try to give you some contacts you could mail and get some of their giveaways ?


Almost ironically the big two manufacturers hub out of Billand Airport - aka Legoland ;-)

One of the displays is pretty realistic :







Lego are also big fans :

Danish toy manufacturer Lego Group has sourced 100% of its electricity from renewables, with the official opening of Dong Energy’s 258MW Burbo Bank 2 offshore wind project in Liverpool Bay.
Lego has invested Dkr6bn (€800m) in 160MW of renewables, with its latest investment a 25% stake in Burbo 2.

Total output from the investments by Lego in renewables now exceeds the energy consumed at all its factories, stores and offices globally, the company said.
In 2016, more than 360 gigawatt hours of electricity were used by Lego to produce the over 75 billion Lego bricks sold, it said.
The company has built the largest Lego brick wind turbine to celebrate the 100% renewables milestone.
Lego Group chief executive Bali Padda said: “This development means we have now reached the 100% renewable energy milestone three years ahead of target.
“Together with our partners, we intend to continue investing in renewable energy to help create a better future for the builders of tomorrow.”

Edited by Paddy_N_Murphy on Saturday 10th February 20:36

Thanks for the offer, I've found out the Chinese do a knock off version for $50 so I'll grab one of those.

[Ali G]

It's actually a public site - so feel free to discuss with your public.

Personally - I'd prefer funds to be sunk into fission - which is also a part of the discussion.

Some prefer coal - and there are reasonable arguments to support that option.

Gas works well - although there may be supply issues not least due the challenges in stockpiling for a rainy day.

Obviously, there are also those who advocate wind power - which has issues with intermittency.

Fusion is so distant in the future as to be not a serious contender for UK power generation.

Every source has advocates, strengths and weaknesses.

[Toltec]

I wonder what the set intersection is for people that are outraged both by the apparent gas supply issue and fracking?

[Ali G]

Not sure if on-shore fracking has even been proved to be viable in the UK - it's certainly disappointing that there is so much vehement opposition from a certain demographic to finding out.

Perhaps "right now" would be a splendid time for a spot more research - given the volume of snow..

[turbobloke]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

Why is dependancy of Gas on Pipelines from Norway, the Netherlands and Belgium acceptable to the miserable ones on this thread

Translation: 'miserable one' = anyone who doesn't swallow renewables propaganda, posts accurate data / peer reviewed research / reports from the likes of IEEE, and dares to disagree with you.

However, be sure not to become miserable about your frequent, biased and risible
misrepresentations.

[Ali G]

Not sure how many people in the UK consider a piped gas supply that satisfactory - particularly if sourced from territories with interesting political ideologies.

It's a compromise though - much like other powergen sources.

[rolando]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

Or answer the question ?

Speak for yourself…

[Ali G]

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

Remind me - you're the one that said you promise to never interact or post to me ?
That's right isn't it?




back on thread anyone new the three Stooges have finished the misdirections.

You really aren't from these parts are you fella.

[turbobloke]

Ali G said:

Paddy_N_Murphy said:

Remind me - you're the one that said you promise to never interact or post to me ?
That's right isn't it?




back on thread anyone new the three Stooges have finished the misdirections.

You really aren't from these parts are you fella.

PnM seems a bit miserable, the ad hom rate is increasing.