The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain
Discussion
Condi said:
And there we go... whoever would have thought an investigation by a group opposing the policy found reasons for it to be wrong or inaccurate. 
This thread is totally devoid of any critical thinking or thought, and attempts to bring reason to it are met with straw man arguments or hypothetical situations.
Ammmmmm ooooooouuut.
No This thread is totally devoid of any critical thinking or thought, and attempts to bring reason to it are met with straw man arguments or hypothetical situations.
Ammmmmm ooooooouuut.
Surely not more misinformation/biased websites being quoted from the commander-in-chief. 
Condi said:
This thread is totally devoid of any critical thinking or thought, and attempts to bring reason to it are met with straw man arguments or hypothetical situations.
Ammmmmm ooooooouuut.
I don't think it is that at all really, I have just had a rather long conversation with someone about connecting two network switches together. It all started in a quite sane way, but devolved rapidly into complete confusion. It was like we were using the same words and terminology, however they meant different things to each side of the conversation. It didn't help that he kept referring to things by where they were in his building and relative to where he was in the building even though I repeatedly pointed out that I had no idea how his building was laid out and needed him to use the switch labels and port numbers.Ammmmmm ooooooouuut.
I think what it came down to was that I was viewing the situation in an abstract logical way concerned with what network elements needed to be connected and he was looking at bits of cable and different rooms in the building and what he physically needed to do.
This thread feels like that, we appear to be talking about the same things, but we are not. Both want to get balls through hoops, one side thinks getting enough balls through enough hoops over a period of time is the goal, the other side wants balls to go through specific hoops at a controlable rate.
Condi said:
This thread is totally devoid of any critical thinking or thought...
It's not, but I suspect you have to go back to the first few dozen pages.When critical thinking, analysis or worse, data, is posted revealing the reality of renewables, activism gets to work with the usual ad homs, smears and so on. This perpetuates to a degree since stooping to reply has ramifications despite the best of intentions.
Take a look back if you think the entire thread is fubarred. There were discussions of RE<C, EROEI, storage making EROEI even worse (hydro excepted), renewables costs that provider companies don't know let along have to pay. academic (Juan Carlos uni) and sector research repors (Verso Economics), the idea of zero subsidies being fantasy as yet etc but activists don't cope well with open discussion as generally outside PH it's expected that knees will bend to the false green god.
Shame really, but that's how things go with zealotry at work and renewables acitivists have far more of that commodity than critics. Re-reading the thread beyond the first few dozen pages will show this clearly.
Moorside three new nuclear PWR power stations may not happen, problems with the consortium have lead to job losses.
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robinessex said:
Of course pilots know enough about jet engines to operate them, using the correct buttons and levers. Be completely f
ked if asked to diagnose a fault, lift the engine cover, and fix it.
The context of the engines discussion on the climate thread is where PHs google experts have decided landing aircraft cause a spike in temperature readings at Heathrow. Exactly the same google blaggers as here are making out they know all about jet engine power settings on landing and vacating runways at Heathrow.ked if asked to diagnose a fault, lift the engine cover, and fix it. So pilots who actually land large jets at Heathrow would obviously know about that than them.
Much like this thread, the same posters who knew all about operating aircraft are also experts on power generation and know more than scientific institutions regarding climate change etc etc
They must have the most amazing credentials. It’s hard to understand though as when examined, they appear to have no relevant qualifications at all. They’d wonder why nobody takes them seriously if they had an ounce of self awareness.
Obviously on here, listening to people that know stuff rather than googling till you find what you want to support your argument is called appealing to authority. It’s aparently better and more scientific to appeal to their own self authority or to the data of bloggers and obscure websites and other google experts, ignoring the majority of data from everyone else with qualifications.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 31st July 11:15
El stovey said:
The context of the engines discussion on the climate thread is where PHs google experts have decided landing aircraft cause a spike in temperature readings at Heathrow. Exactly the same google blaggers as here are making out they know all about jet engine power settings on landing and vacating runways at Heathrow.
So pilots who actually land large jets at Heathrow would obviously know about that than them.
Much like this thread, the same posters who knew all about operating aircraft are also experts on power generation and know more than scientific institutions regarding climate change etc etc
They must have the most amazing credentials. It’s hard to understand though as when examined, they appear to have no relevant qualifications at all. They’d wonder why nobody takes them seriously if they had an ounce of self awareness.
Obviously on here, listening to people that know stuff rather than googling till you find what you want to support your argument is called appealing to authority. It’s aparently better and more scientific to appeal to their own self authority or to the data of bloggers and obscure websites and other google experts, ignoring the majority of data from everyone else with qualifications.
I grok what you are saying, what information and qualifications do you have that gives you insight into everyone else's qualifications?So pilots who actually land large jets at Heathrow would obviously know about that than them.
Much like this thread, the same posters who knew all about operating aircraft are also experts on power generation and know more than scientific institutions regarding climate change etc etc
They must have the most amazing credentials. It’s hard to understand though as when examined, they appear to have no relevant qualifications at all. They’d wonder why nobody takes them seriously if they had an ounce of self awareness.
Obviously on here, listening to people that know stuff rather than googling till you find what you want to support your argument is called appealing to authority. It’s aparently better and more scientific to appeal to their own self authority or to the data of bloggers and obscure websites and other google experts, ignoring the majority of data from everyone else with qualifications.
Edited by El stovey on Tuesday 31st July 11:15
It is less about qualifications than being able to provide an argument based on traceable data. I'll agree that some sources are not accurate or may cherry pick to back up their own results and it is easy to fall prey to confirmation bias.
This thread seems to boil down to two extremes-
My system does not produce CO2 and we can make money from it so it is good.
I want reliable cheap power for the consumer, anything that cannot do that is bad.
IMHO
Toltec said:
I grok what you are saying, what information and qualifications do you have that gives you insight into everyone else's qualifications?
I didn’t mean you toltec, you’re not obviously one of the climate change cult I’m referring to.I and others have frequently asked about their qualifications, that enable them to think they can overturn consensus science but alas, they have none.
Obviously they haven’t actually overturned consensus science yet as they seem unwilling to publish their findings. For some odd reason.
El stovey said:
I didn’t mean you toltec, you’re not obviously one of the climate change cult I’m referring to.
I and others have frequently asked about their qualifications, that enable them to think they can overturn consensus science but alas, they have none.
Obviously they haven’t actually overturned consensus science yet as they seem unwilling to publish their findings. For some odd reason.
How much utter bull is it possible to write in so few words?I and others have frequently asked about their qualifications, that enable them to think they can overturn consensus science but alas, they have none.
Obviously they haven’t actually overturned consensus science yet as they seem unwilling to publish their findings. For some odd reason.
You may have the record there Stovey!
Ali G said:
El stovey said:
I didn’t mean you toltec, you’re not obviously one of the climate change cult I’m referring to.
I and others have frequently asked about their qualifications, that enable them to think they can overturn consensus science but alas, they have none.
Obviously they haven’t actually overturned consensus science yet as they seem unwilling to publish their findings. For some odd reason.
How much utter bull is it possible to write in so few words?I and others have frequently asked about their qualifications, that enable them to think they can overturn consensus science but alas, they have none.
Obviously they haven’t actually overturned consensus science yet as they seem unwilling to publish their findings. For some odd reason.
You may have the record there Stovey!
Meme time again
Ali G said:
How much utter bull is it possible to write in so few words?
You may have the record there Stovey!
As if by magic.You may have the record there Stovey!
Take Ali G for instance, always posting that scientists are wrong and experts shouldn’t be trusted etc.
Relevant knowledge and experience = nil
Occupation = PHs climate change cult’s yappy pet dog.
El stovey said:
Ali G said:
How much utter bull is it possible to write in so few words?
You may have the record there Stovey!
As if by magic.You may have the record there Stovey!
Take Ali G for instance, always posting that scientists are wrong and experts shouldn’t be trusted etc.
Relevant knowledge and experience = nil
Occupation = PHs climate change cult’s pet dog.
I know that you do not!
Ali G said:
El stovey said:
Ali G said:
How much utter bull is it possible to write in so few words?
You may have the record there Stovey!
As if by magic.You may have the record there Stovey!
Take Ali G for instance, always posting that scientists are wrong and experts shouldn’t be trusted etc.
Relevant knowledge and experience = nil
Occupation = PHs climate change cult’s pet dog.
I know that you do not!
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