The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain
Discussion
turbobloke said:
On bulb ban evolution, from LongQ's suggestion in a post on another thread:
The EU version.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/aug/11/swit...
Didn't realize that was coming - No complaint from me. We replaced a sh*tload of halogen GU10 spots in the kitchen with LEDs when the bulbs were well over £15 each, and it paid for itself over about 2-3 years, as well as removing the aggro of seemingly endless bulb replacement. The EU version.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/aug/11/swit...
Paddy_N_Murphy][url said:
While land-based wind turbines are proliferating worldwide, offshore wind farms have progressed mainly in Europe. Installed capacity totaled more than 18,000MW at the end of 2017, which at maximum capacity can produce as much power as 18 nuclear reactors.
Or about the same energy as two nuclear power plants per year.silentbrown said:
turbobloke said:
On bulb ban evolution, from LongQ's suggestion in a post on another thread:
The EU version.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/aug/11/swit...
Didn't realize that was coming - No complaint from me. We replaced a sh*tload of halogen GU10 spots in the kitchen with LEDs when the bulbs were well over £15 each, and it paid for itself over about 2-3 years, as well as removing the aggro of seemingly endless bulb replacement. The EU version.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/aug/11/swit...
First they came for the 100W incandescents, then they came for the halogens, etc.
Buy Damart and candles
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Japanese utilities buy into vast offshore wind farm in UK
$900m deal will give J-Power and Kansai Electric know-how of sector
J-Power, which supplies mainly fossil-fuel-based electricity to Japanese regional utilities, will set up a subsidiary backed by the government-run Development Bank of Japan to participate in the Innogy project. Engineers will study firsthand construction and maintenance methods.
While land-based wind turbines are proliferating worldwide, offshore wind farms have progressed mainly in Europe. Installed capacity totaled more than 18,000MW at the end of 2017, which at maximum capacity can produce as much power as 18 nuclear reactors.
Japan has hardly any offshore wind farms in commercial operation, and has little in the way of engineering know-how in this field or infrastructure for linking such installations to the land power grid. But there are plans for a total of 4,000MW of offshore wind power capacity, including projects under feasibility studies.
Is there a minimum capacity? i.e. when there is minimal wind. As you know, earlier this year, UK offshore wind was parasitic.$900m deal will give J-Power and Kansai Electric know-how of sector
J-Power, which supplies mainly fossil-fuel-based electricity to Japanese regional utilities, will set up a subsidiary backed by the government-run Development Bank of Japan to participate in the Innogy project. Engineers will study firsthand construction and maintenance methods.
While land-based wind turbines are proliferating worldwide, offshore wind farms have progressed mainly in Europe. Installed capacity totaled more than 18,000MW at the end of 2017, which at maximum capacity can produce as much power as 18 nuclear reactors.
Japan has hardly any offshore wind farms in commercial operation, and has little in the way of engineering know-how in this field or infrastructure for linking such installations to the land power grid. But there are plans for a total of 4,000MW of offshore wind power capacity, including projects under feasibility studies.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
Useful to know. 
How many are being built for us ?
Not enough.How many are being built for us ?
Wind and solar are a reasonable way to reduce coal burning, but without new technologies to replace gas plants they are just tinkering around the edges. Unfortunately I think power is just going to become more expensive as we move away from the cheapest ways of producing it to more sustainable ones.
Like an industrial process that used to get away with belching pollution into the air and water ways energy production needs to keep cleaning up its act. You can control costs by making processes more efficient where before it was not worth it because it was cheaper to just use up available resources, but overall it will cost or you would have done it the cleaner way before now. Then of course it is the timescale, LED lights cost less to run in the long term, but if you have not got the capital to replace all of your light fittings you just have to spend revenue on electricity instead. Then there is the fear that a couple of years after buying into LED lights something newer that is both cheaper to run and buy will appear which means that you should have waited and stuck with the old bulbs for a bit longer.
It is all a bit of a guessing game so it depends which odds you favour.
Toltec said:
Not enough.
Wind and solar are a reasonable way to reduce coal burning, but without new technologies to replace gas plants they are just tinkering around the edges. Unfortunately I think power is just going to become more expensive as we move away from the cheapest ways of producing it to more sustainable ones.
Like an industrial process that used to get away with belching pollution into the air and water ways energy production needs to keep cleaning up its act. You can control costs by making processes more efficient where before it was not worth it because it was cheaper to just use up available resources, but overall it will cost or you would have done it the cleaner way before now. Then of course it is the timescale, LED lights cost less to run in the long term, but if you have not got the capital to replace all of your light fittings you just have to spend revenue on electricity instead. Then there is the fear that a couple of years after buying into LED lights something newer that is both cheaper to run and buy will appear which means that you should have waited and stuck with the old bulbs for a bit longer.
It is all a bit of a guessing game so it depends which odds you favour.
True. Interesting years to come.Wind and solar are a reasonable way to reduce coal burning, but without new technologies to replace gas plants they are just tinkering around the edges. Unfortunately I think power is just going to become more expensive as we move away from the cheapest ways of producing it to more sustainable ones.
Like an industrial process that used to get away with belching pollution into the air and water ways energy production needs to keep cleaning up its act. You can control costs by making processes more efficient where before it was not worth it because it was cheaper to just use up available resources, but overall it will cost or you would have done it the cleaner way before now. Then of course it is the timescale, LED lights cost less to run in the long term, but if you have not got the capital to replace all of your light fittings you just have to spend revenue on electricity instead. Then there is the fear that a couple of years after buying into LED lights something newer that is both cheaper to run and buy will appear which means that you should have waited and stuck with the old bulbs for a bit longer.
It is all a bit of a guessing game so it depends which odds you favour.
Can't see use being able to reduce the amount of gas generating capacity for a long time to come.
Some curious EV news. Musk courting / going full-on Big Oil?!
https://www.chron.com/business/energy/article/Musk...
https://www.chron.com/business/energy/article/Musk...
Gary C said:
V8 Fettler said:
Is there a minimum capacity? i.e. when there is minimal wind. As you know, earlier this year, UK offshore wind was parasitic.
Yes, no wind no power, been said to death.V8 Fettler said:
Gary C said:
V8 Fettler said:
Is there a minimum capacity? i.e. when there is minimal wind. As you know, earlier this year, UK offshore wind was parasitic.
Yes, no wind no power, been said to death.Gary C said:
V8 Fettler said:
Gary C said:
V8 Fettler said:
Is there a minimum capacity? i.e. when there is minimal wind. As you know, earlier this year, UK offshore wind was parasitic.
Yes, no wind no power, been said to death.Gary C said:
V8 Fettler said:
How can a fact that happens to be a key issue with wind generation be boring?
Anything can be boring when it's repeated ad nauseam.V8 Fettler said:
Gary C said:
V8 Fettler said:
How can a fact that happens to be a key issue with wind generation be boring?
Anything can be boring when it's repeated ad nauseam.What I would like to know, it's been claimed that interconnectors can provide uk power from continental wind. Has anyone quantified if this is vaguely possible in any meaningful sense even if we put in lots more ic capacity.
Any studies ?
Gary C said:
V8 Fettler said:
How can a fact that happens to be a key issue with wind generation be boring?
Anything can be boring when it's repeated ad nauseam.Ignore it at your peril no matter how boring it may be. Indeed it is that very boringness that is the main driver of the successful deployment of FUD worldwide, Not to mentioned belief systems.
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