The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain
Discussion
Evanivitch said:
PRTVR said:
No we do both, using competition to drive costs down and giving another method of generating electricity, coal can easily be stock piled, instead we have renewables or gas at whatever price is demanded,
shutting down our coal stations achieved nothing, it's a pure symbolic gesture.
So instead of having wind with backup, we're going to have two conflicting power solutions, neither able to operate at maximum capacity? Makes no sense.shutting down our coal stations achieved nothing, it's a pure symbolic gesture.
Easy stockpiling of coal is a myth. Coal stockpiles are a visual blight and health disaster to local communities.
https://phys.org/news/2017-09-storage-coal-threate...
Months of coal was stockpiled at UK power stations prior to the miner's strike in 1984.
Some may find coal-fired a visual blight, for others it represents industry and long-term energy security.
V8 Fettler said:
Some may find coal-fired a visual blight, for others it represents industry and long-term energy security.
Presumably those that don't have to live anywhere near it!Funny how you keep referring to it as energy security, but ignoring that we import coal from Columbia and Russia.
Evanivitch said:
V8 Fettler said:
Some may find coal-fired a visual blight, for others it represents industry and long-term energy security.
Presumably those that don't have to live anywhere near it!Evanivitch said:
... energy security...ignoring that we import coal from Columbia and Russia.
There's still a lot of coal under the UK but it's not economic to extract and use under government policy - just as windfarms would have been uneconomic without subsidies and fixed hiked prices over many years i.e. government policy.turbobloke said:
As per the eyesore and infrasound health impacts of an onshore windfarm.
Nice introduction of pseudoscience to your continued Illogical positions.turbobloke said:
There's still a lot of coal under the UK but it's not economic to extract and use under government policy - just as windfarms would have been uneconomic without subsidies and fixed hiked prices over many years i.e. government policy.
No, it's it economical to extract because it's in hard to reach places, in close proximity to communities and it's difficult to move around the country.Evanivitch said:
dickymint said:
Strange how we managed to do it before. 
We also managed to live off the land, live in caves and persecute people based on race. Yay the past. /S. jet_noise said:
Evanivitch said:
dickymint said:
Strange how we managed to do it before.
We also managed to live off the land, live in caves and persecute people based on race. Yay the past. /S. Bugger
Coal anyone?! EU egalitarianism (almost) and eu heard it here...
"Six European nations have called for government subsidies to be extended to coal-fired plants in capacity mechanisms beyond 2030, according to a working paper published earlier this month. France, Poland, Ireland, the UK, Greece and Hungary demanded a “suitable and realistic transition period for existing installations that do not yet meet the emission[s] criteria”, they added in the paper published on NGO Climate Action Network’s (CAN) website"
Montel, 14 September 2018
Evanivitch said:
V8 Fettler said:
Some may find coal-fired a visual blight, for others it represents industry and long-term energy security.
Presumably those that don't have to live anywhere near it!Funny how you keep referring to it as energy security, but ignoring that we import coal from Columbia and Russia.
As previously, the UK sits on approx 20 trillion tonnes of coal, some of which is readily accessible, some of which isn't.
turbobloke said:
jet_noise said:
Evanivitch said:
dickymint said:
Strange how we managed to do it before.
We also managed to live off the land, live in caves and persecute people based on race. Yay the past. /S. Bugger
Coal anyone?! EU egalitarianism (almost) and eu heard it here...
"Six European nations have called for government subsidies to be extended to coal-fired plants in capacity mechanisms beyond 2030, according to a working paper published earlier this month. France, Poland, Ireland, the UK, Greece and Hungary demanded a “suitable and realistic transition period for existing installations that do not yet meet the emission[s] criteria”, they added in the paper published on NGO Climate Action Network’s (CAN) website"
Montel, 14 September 2018
V8 Fettler said:
UK gubmint is planning coal-fired past 2030? DRAX will be 50 years old by then, this must surely mean new build coal-fired. Hurrah, we're saved from the green blob!
Your arguments, and the direction this thread has gone is totally pointless. The UK government has already announced that all UK coal fired stations will close by 2025. However much you disagree with that, unless there is a change in policy it is happening. Crying on a forum will not change that, nor will it change the Paris climate change agreement.
So why not be practical and pragmatic about alternatives rather than flogging a very dead horse.
V8 Fettler said:
As previously, the energy security provided by coal is a function of the ability to stockpile months of coal. Our "stockpile" of gas is a few days.
As previously, the UK sits on approx 20 trillion tonnes of coal, some of which is readily accessible, some of which isn't.
Reference for reserves? This source (from industry) estimates at at most 187 Billion with only 80 million tonnes currently economical.As previously, the UK sits on approx 20 trillion tonnes of coal, some of which is readily accessible, some of which isn't.
https://euracoal.eu/info/country-profiles/united-k...
Evanivitch said:
V8 Fettler said:
As previously, the energy security provided by coal is a function of the ability to stockpile months of coal. Our "stockpile" of gas is a few days.
As previously, the UK sits on approx 20 trillion tonnes of coal, some of which is readily accessible, some of which isn't.
Reference for reserves? This source (from industry) estimates at at most 187 Billion with only 80 million tonnes currently economical.As previously, the UK sits on approx 20 trillion tonnes of coal, some of which is readily accessible, some of which isn't.
https://euracoal.eu/info/country-profiles/united-k...
Condi said:
Your arguments, and the direction this thread has gone is totally pointless.
The UK government has already announced that all UK coal fired stations will close by 2025. However much you disagree with that, unless there is a change in policy it is happening. Crying on a forum will not change that, nor will it change the Paris climate change agreement.
So why not be practical and pragmatic about alternatives rather than flogging a very dead horse.
Because at the moment there is little other than carbon based generation that will keep the lights on, our nuclear stations are well past their sell by date and if certain critical components fail, they will be shut down, it has come close on one that I know of, if the wind fails to blow at night we are left with gas, if that goes missing what have we got to keep the lights on, the future has to be a reliable means of generating electricity.The UK government has already announced that all UK coal fired stations will close by 2025. However much you disagree with that, unless there is a change in policy it is happening. Crying on a forum will not change that, nor will it change the Paris climate change agreement.
So why not be practical and pragmatic about alternatives rather than flogging a very dead horse.
The Paris agreement is being ignored by lots of countries, one more will make no difference.
PRTVR said:
Because at the moment there is little other than carbon based generation that will keep the lights on, our nuclear stations are well past their sell by date and if certain critical components fail, they will be shut down, it has come close on one that I know of, if the wind fails to blow at night we are left with gas, if that goes missing what have we got to keep the lights on, the future has to be a reliable means of generating electricity.
The Paris agreement is being ignored by lots of countries, one more will make no difference.
While we're at it can we pull out of Brexit too The Paris agreement is being ignored by lots of countries, one more will make no difference.
LoonyTunes said:
PRTVR said:
Because at the moment there is little other than carbon based generation that will keep the lights on, our nuclear stations are well past their sell by date and if certain critical components fail, they will be shut down, it has come close on one that I know of, if the wind fails to blow at night we are left with gas, if that goes missing what have we got to keep the lights on, the future has to be a reliable means of generating electricity.
The Paris agreement is being ignored by lots of countries, one more will make no difference.
While we're at it can we pull out of Brexit too The Paris agreement is being ignored by lots of countries, one more will make no difference.
dickymint said:
And that's economic?Given that the Daily Mail as always are somewhat slim on the facts (great reference by the way), how do they intend to extract it? Gasification? Best I can find are mines that extend out to the sea, and they're only 900m.
Condi said:
V8 Fettler said:
UK gubmint is planning coal-fired past 2030? DRAX will be 50 years old by then, this must surely mean new build coal-fired. Hurrah, we're saved from the green blob!
Your arguments, and the direction this thread has gone is totally pointless. The UK government has already announced that all UK coal fired stations will close by 2025. However much you disagree with that, unless there is a change in policy it is happening. Crying on a forum will not change that, nor will it change the Paris climate change agreement.
So why not be practical and pragmatic about alternatives rather than flogging a very dead horse.
Practical and pragmatic = coal, because it works when gas and wind are failing.
The reality is that a rebellious post-Brexit UK would be likely to walk away from the Paris climate change agreement if it suited the UK.
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