The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain

[rscott]

turbobloke said:

rscott said:

turbobloke said:

A good question is about to be discussed at a meeting (not walk-in) later this month:

When: Tuesday 22nd January, from 6:00 pm - 8:00 pm
Where: 55 Tufton St, Westminster, SW1P 3QL
Title: Is Renewable Energy Affordable?
Speaker: Derek Birkett
About the speaker: Derek Birkett is a retired grid system control engineer with two decades of experience under both nationalisation and private ownership. He has had project responsibility on installation and commissioning at five major coal and nuclear power stations across the UK

It's an eventbrite event so their site may have a booking / tickets page if anyone is interested.

He's plugging his book then - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42835550-is-re...

Is it organised by the GWPF - isn't that their official address - or is it just a coincidence...

Quite possibly. Book plugging is where it's at. This example would be nowhere near as egregious as George Monbiot flying around the globe flogging his book which tells people not to fly.

The talk could be promoted by the GWPF, or they're merely hosting it. Were you expecting a meeting with that title to be hosted at the BBC or Guardian offices? The content of Birkett's talk will stand or fall on its merits and the theme offers a timely opportunity to examine the affordability and overall efficacy of unreliables.

Any link to the booking page - it doesn't appear to be listed on eventbrite's site.

[NickGibbs]

robinessex said:

smig12345 said:

We need more wind power in the UK, and the best option is large offshore wind farms. We already produce over 10 GW on a windy day I look forward to seeing 20 and even 30 GW in the future.

How much power do they generate on a not windy day then ?

It might be time to remind us what you and and your guru turbobloke have against renewables? Wind/solar are moving towards cheap, getting cheaper. So that can't be it. Are you worried we're not going to about support the needs of increasing numbers electric cars, is that it? (yes I'm being tongue in cheek) The crack about 'unreliables' suggests you might be worried about that aspect, but won't technology help out? Battery storage, pumped storage?

[StanleyT]

robinessex said:

How much power do they generate on a not windy day then ?

On a windy day when the wind is in the wrong direction and they run in reverse how much power do they suck back out the grid?

[voyds9]

What size of power out from renewables would be required to reliably power all the energy requirements of the UK on an on going basis.

[turbobloke]

rscott said:

turbobloke said:

rscott said:

turbobloke said:

A good question is about to be discussed at a meeting (not walk-in) later this month:

When: Tuesday 22nd January, from 6:00 pm - 8:00 pm
Where: 55 Tufton St, Westminster, SW1P 3QL
Title: Is Renewable Energy Affordable?
Speaker: Derek Birkett
About the speaker: Derek Birkett is a retired grid system control engineer with two decades of experience under both nationalisation and private ownership. He has had project responsibility on installation and commissioning at five major coal and nuclear power stations across the UK

It's an eventbrite event so their site may have a booking / tickets page if anyone is interested.

He's plugging his book then - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42835550-is-re...

Is it organised by the GWPF - isn't that their official address - or is it just a coincidence...

Quite possibly. Book plugging is where it's at. This example would be nowhere near as egregious as George Monbiot flying around the globe flogging his book which tells people not to fly.

The talk could be promoted by the GWPF, or they're merely hosting it. Were you expecting a meeting with that title to be hosted at the BBC or Guardian offices? The content of Birkett's talk will stand or fall on its merits and the theme offers a timely opportunity to examine the affordability and overall efficacy of unreliables.

Any link to the booking page - it doesn't appear to be listed on eventbrite's site.

I tried looking and got the same result.

[rolando]

turbobloke said:

rscott said:

turbobloke said:

rscott said:

turbobloke said:

A good question is about to be discussed at a meeting (not walk-in) later this month:

When: Tuesday 22nd January, from 6:00 pm - 8:00 pm
Where: 55 Tufton St, Westminster, SW1P 3QL
Title: Is Renewable Energy Affordable?
Speaker: Derek Birkett
About the speaker: Derek Birkett is a retired grid system control engineer with two decades of experience under both nationalisation and private ownership. He has had project responsibility on installation and commissioning at five major coal and nuclear power stations across the UK

It's an eventbrite event so their site may have a booking / tickets page if anyone is interested.

He's plugging his book then - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42835550-is-re...

Is it organised by the GWPF - isn't that their official address - or is it just a coincidence...

Quite possibly. Book plugging is where it's at. This example would be nowhere near as egregious as George Monbiot flying around the globe flogging his book which tells people not to fly.

The talk could be promoted by the GWPF, or they're merely hosting it. Were you expecting a meeting with that title to be hosted at the BBC or Guardian offices? The content of Birkett's talk will stand or fall on its merits and the theme offers a timely opportunity to examine the affordability and overall efficacy of unreliables.

Any link to the booking page - it doesn't appear to be listed on eventbrite's site.

I tried looking and got the same result.

Yes, it is being organised by the GWPF who issued email invitations.

[aeropilot]

smig12345 said:

We need more wind power in the UK, and the best option is large offshore wind farms.

We should be investing more in tidal power in the UK rather than offshore wind power.

[dickymint]

robinessex said:

smig12345 said:

We need more wind power in the UK, and the best option is large offshore wind farms. We already produce over 10 GW on a windy day I look forward to seeing 20 and even 30 GW in the future.

How much power do they generate on a not windy day then ?

[rolando]

aeropilot said:

smig12345 said:

We need more wind power in the UK, and the best option is large offshore wind farms.

We should be investing more in tidal power in the UK rather than offshore wind power.

Suggest you read this and this to understand why tidal is yet another intermittent source of generation.

[WatchfulEye]

aeropilot said:

We should be investing more in tidal power in the UK rather than offshore wind power.

I didn't think the tidal resource in the UK was that big. With traditional tidal range scheme, there is only about 25-40 TWh per year of good quality practical tidal range resource (Severn + Mersey). Possibly 70-90 TWh if you include lower grade resources (Moray Firth, Thames, etc.). Of course, other marine sources such as tidal stream and wave are possible options, each offering probably the same amount of resource again; but these technologies have not yet been adequately demonstrated.

The lowest credible estimate for the practical offshore wind resource is 400 TWh per year, with some reports suggesting a resource in the multiple PWh per year.

I am not sure that tidal range is likely to be a viable approach - cost estimates from credible feasibility studies are eye watering (starting at £330/MWh and working up from there to up to £1200/MWh).

I would have no objection to investing more heavily in tidal stream technology or even wave technology, but this needs to be tempered by the fact that the resource estimates are small, and there is no guarantee that the technology would be successful on an economic basis.

[aeropilot]

rolando said:

aeropilot said:

smig12345 said:

We need more wind power in the UK, and the best option is large offshore wind farms.

We should be investing more in tidal power in the UK rather than offshore wind power.

Suggest you read this and this to understand why tidal is yet another intermittent source of generation.

Don't have thanks, I spent 9 months working on the then proposed Severn Barrage TP scheme way back in 1980/81........as well as wind turbine farm projects.

[dickymint]

aeropilot said:

rolando said:

aeropilot said:

smig12345 said:

We need more wind power in the UK, and the best option is large offshore wind farms.

We should be investing more in tidal power in the UK rather than offshore wind power.

Suggest you read this and this to understand why tidal is yet another intermittent source of generation.

Don't have thanks, I spent 9 months working on the then proposed Severn Barrage TP scheme way back in 1980/81........as well as wind turbine farm projects.

Wasn't there some massive cock up in the predicted output figures? Due to ebb and flow tides not being equal?

[rolando]

aeropilot said:

Don't have thanks, I spent 9 months working on the then proposed Severn Barrage TP scheme way back in 1980/81........as well as wind turbine farm projects.

Don't have what ? …

[Gary C]

rolando said:

aeropilot said:

Don't have thanks, I spent 9 months working on the then proposed Severn Barrage TP scheme way back in 1980/81........as well as wind turbine farm projects.

Don't have what ? …

I think he meant

'dont have to, thanks'

[rolando]

Gary C said:

rolando said:

aeropilot said:

Don't have thanks, I spent 9 months working on the then proposed Severn Barrage TP scheme way back in 1980/81........as well as wind turbine farm projects.

Don't have what ? …

I think he meant

'dont have to, thanks'

Typical response from the unreliables side.

[rscott]

rolando said:

Gary C said:

rolando said:

aeropilot said:

Don't have thanks, I spent 9 months working on the then proposed Severn Barrage TP scheme way back in 1980/81........as well as wind turbine farm projects.

Don't have what ? …

I think he meant

'dont have to, thanks'

Typical response from the unreliables side.

What is? That someone with real world experience and involvement in something might actually know more than a blogger who hasn't worked in that field?

[rolando]

rscott said:

What is? That someone with real world experience and involvement in something might actually know more than a blogger who hasn't worked in that field?

What do you know?

[rscott]

rolando said:

rscott said:

What is? That someone with real world experience and involvement in something might actually know more than a blogger who hasn't worked in that field?

What do you know?

That you dismissed aeropilot's response even though he has direct experience of tidal energy systems .

[rolando]

rscott said:

rolando said:

rscott said:

What is? That someone with real world experience and involvement in something might actually know more than a blogger who hasn't worked in that field?

What do you know?

That you dismissed aeropilot's response even though he has direct experience of tidal energy systems .

Dismissed because aeropilot was so conceited he didn't bother to read far more up-to-date knowledge of the subject, especially as the Severn Barrage projects failed to get off the ground.

[rscott]

rolando said:

rscott said:

rolando said:

rscott said:

What is? That someone with real world experience and involvement in something might actually know more than a blogger who hasn't worked in that field?

What do you know?

That you dismissed aeropilot's response even though he has direct experience of tidal energy systems .

Dismissed because aeropilot was so conceited he didn't bother to read far more up-to-date knowledge of the subject, especially as the Severn Barrage projects failed to get off the ground.

The musings of a geologist you mean? Why should he be considered a definitive source of accurate information?