The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain
Discussion
turbobloke said:
3.1416 said:
Wayoftheflower said:
Point 1. Source?
Point 2. Wow....
Point 1. It has been posted before - Google is your friend here though.Point 2. Wow....
Point 2. We need to be a little bit careful that we don't end up here by default. There are extremists out there who would prefer a return to an agrarian society and the cull that would be required.
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Maurice Strong of UN infamy said:
What if a small group of world leaders were to conclude that the principal risk to the Earth comes from the actions of the rich countries? And if the world is to survive, those rich countries would have to sign an agreement reducing their impact on the environment. Will they do it? The group's conclusion is 'no'. The rich countries won't do it. They won't change. So, in order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?
Maurice Strong, Interview 1992, concerning the plot of a book he would like to write
Maurice Stong of UN repeated the above bovine excreta when he said:
If we don't change, our species will not survive...Frankly, we may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse
(01 September 1997 edition of National Review magazine)
But you could've chosen a more appropriate lunatic to quote, Strong was involved in so many dodgy deals the only beliefs we can be certain he held were of the advancement of the interests of Maurice Strong.
Green Killing Machines
"Environmental organisations like the RSPB and the Campaign to Protect Rural England are betraying their members by failing to speak out about the devastation caused by the expansion of renewable energy projects all over the countryside."
Reasoned posts with counter-evidence welcome but not expected.
Organisational and personal shoot-the-messenger ad hom fallacy content from the usual suspect(s) incoming!
"Environmental organisations like the RSPB and the Campaign to Protect Rural England are betraying their members by failing to speak out about the devastation caused by the expansion of renewable energy projects all over the countryside."
Reasoned posts with counter-evidence welcome but not expected.
Organisational and personal shoot-the-messenger ad hom fallacy content from the usual suspect(s) incoming!
turbobloke said:
Green Killing Machines
"Environmental organisations like the RSPB and the Campaign to Protect Rural England are betraying their members by failing to speak out about the devastation caused by the expansion of renewable energy projects all over the countryside."
Reasoned posts with counter-evidence welcome but not expected.
Organisational and personal shoot-the-messenger ad hom fallacy content from the usual suspect(s) incoming!
You forgot to format those screen grabs so they're proper links."Environmental organisations like the RSPB and the Campaign to Protect Rural England are betraying their members by failing to speak out about the devastation caused by the expansion of renewable energy projects all over the countryside."
Reasoned posts with counter-evidence welcome but not expected.
Organisational and personal shoot-the-messenger ad hom fallacy content from the usual suspect(s) incoming!
Are there any further points that weren't rebutted in my post on Monday?
It's amazing, just as The Guardian (!) predicted:
bats are being killed in collisions with wind turbines in the UK each month, despite ecological impact assessments
(ass essments more like and there's no need for collisions as pressure changes destroy bat lungs so no impacts are needed)
bats are being killed in collisions with wind turbines in the UK each month, despite ecological impact assessments
(ass essments more like and there's no need for collisions as pressure changes destroy bat lungs so no impacts are needed)
turbobloke said:
It's amazing, just as The Guardian (!) predicted:
bats are being killed in collisions with wind turbines in the UK each month, despite ecological impact assessments
(ass essments more like and there's no need for collisions as pressure changes destroy bat lungs so no impacts are needed)
No links and nothing new to report then?bats are being killed in collisions with wind turbines in the UK each month, despite ecological impact assessments
(ass essments more like and there's no need for collisions as pressure changes destroy bat lungs so no impacts are needed)
The USA is no better, their 'final' wind energy rules permit thousands of eagle deaths. Wonderful!
Just get your permit and start killing.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/06/xcel-en...
Just get your permit and start killing.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/06/xcel-en...
turbobloke said:
It's amazing, just as The Guardian (!) predicted:
bats are being killed in collisions with wind turbines in the UK each month, despite ecological impact assessments
(ass essments more like and there's no need for collisions as pressure changes destroy bat lungs so no impacts are needed)
Anything newer than that 3 year old article you failed to post a link to?bats are being killed in collisions with wind turbines in the UK each month, despite ecological impact assessments
(ass essments more like and there's no need for collisions as pressure changes destroy bat lungs so no impacts are needed)
turbobloke said:
The USA is no better, their 'final' wind energy rules permit thousands of eagle deaths. Wonderful!
Just get your permit and start killing.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/06/xcel-en...
From that year old article:-Just get your permit and start killing.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/06/xcel-en...
Xcel has applied for a five year federal permit to kill eagles under a process established by the Obama administration. So how many dead eagles does the utility consider to be acceptable in exchange for the project’s subsidies?
Their tentative answer: About one per year, or up to five dead bald eagles over a five-year permit period.
Why would anyone believe that 'Big Renewable' is intrinsically more caring of the environment than 'Big Oil' or 'Big Coal'?
If not quite now, then they soon will be all the same multinational conglomerates.
The sighting of wind farms already has to take consideration of the migratory patterns of birdlife and the impact on other similar critters due to the adverse effect they can have.
The conflict arises when the most advantageous sighting (where the wind is best) may be precisely where migration paths and raptors prefer it most.
There is absolutely no doubt that when a spinning turbine interacts with an airborne critter, one comes off far worse than the other.
The extent of the carnage and how much is acceptable are the questions to be researched and answered.
If not quite now, then they soon will be all the same multinational conglomerates.
The sighting of wind farms already has to take consideration of the migratory patterns of birdlife and the impact on other similar critters due to the adverse effect they can have.
The conflict arises when the most advantageous sighting (where the wind is best) may be precisely where migration paths and raptors prefer it most.
There is absolutely no doubt that when a spinning turbine interacts with an airborne critter, one comes off far worse than the other.
The extent of the carnage and how much is acceptable are the questions to be researched and answered.
rscott said:
turbobloke said:
It's amazing, just as The Guardian (!) predicted:
bats are being killed in collisions with wind turbines in the UK each month, despite ecological impact assessments
(ass essments more like and there's no need for collisions as pressure changes destroy bat lungs so no impacts are needed)
Anything newer than that 3 year old article you failed to post a link to?bats are being killed in collisions with wind turbines in the UK each month, despite ecological impact assessments
(ass essments more like and there's no need for collisions as pressure changes destroy bat lungs so no impacts are needed)
As regards "old article" I take it nothing has improved then?
Hopefully, costly pre-opening problems from last year are not recurring, and the UK isn't being hit.
“Overall, we’ve been very pleased with GE’s HA technology and its performance capabilities,” said Beth Conley, a spokeswoman at Invenergy, which is receiving replacement blades for three new HA turbines at a Pennsylvania plant that has not yet opened..
Claimed to be due to a new and improved casting method
“Overall, we’ve been very pleased with GE’s HA technology and its performance capabilities,” said Beth Conley, a spokeswoman at Invenergy, which is receiving replacement blades for three new HA turbines at a Pennsylvania plant that has not yet opened..
Claimed to be due to a new and improved casting method
turbobloke said:
Hopefully, costly pre-opening problems from last year are not recurring, and the UK isn't being hit.
“Overall, we’ve been very pleased with GE’s HA technology and its performance capabilities,” said Beth Conley, a spokeswoman at Invenergy, which is receiving replacement blades for three new HA turbines at a Pennsylvania plant that has not yet opened..
Claimed to be due to a new and improved casting method
You're getting better - now it's only 7 month old news..“Overall, we’ve been very pleased with GE’s HA technology and its performance capabilities,” said Beth Conley, a spokeswoman at Invenergy, which is receiving replacement blades for three new HA turbines at a Pennsylvania plant that has not yet opened..
Claimed to be due to a new and improved casting method
rscott said:
turbobloke said:
Hopefully, costly pre-opening problems from last year are not recurring, and the UK isn't being hit.
“Overall, we’ve been very pleased with GE’s HA technology and its performance capabilities,” said Beth Conley, a spokeswoman at Invenergy, which is receiving replacement blades for three new HA turbines at a Pennsylvania plant that has not yet opened..
Claimed to be due to a new and improved casting method
You're getting better - now it's only 7 month old news..“Overall, we’ve been very pleased with GE’s HA technology and its performance capabilities,” said Beth Conley, a spokeswoman at Invenergy, which is receiving replacement blades for three new HA turbines at a Pennsylvania plant that has not yet opened..
Claimed to be due to a new and improved casting method
GE probes third turbine collapse at US wind farms this year .....
https://www.rechargenews.com/wind/1821232/ge-probe...
Edited by dickymint on Thursday 11th July 17:43
Edited by dickymint on Thursday 11th July 17:45
At least we're OK in UK.
2030 will arrive on the back of political pipedreams with no current plan and only wishful thinking / hope / faith / prayer etc as a strategy.
Thankfully the minimum (that's what political estimates are) cost of net zero is also trivial
at over £1 trillion according to the Chancellor
"In a letter to the prime minister seen by the Financial Times, the Chancellor said the cost meant that less money would be available for schools, police, the NHS and other areas of public spending. He also warned that the target would render some industries “economically uncompetitive”
Lucky us!
2030 will arrive on the back of political pipedreams with no current plan and only wishful thinking / hope / faith / prayer etc as a strategy.
Thankfully the minimum (that's what political estimates are) cost of net zero is also trivial
at over £1 trillion according to the Chancellor"In a letter to the prime minister seen by the Financial Times, the Chancellor said the cost meant that less money would be available for schools, police, the NHS and other areas of public spending. He also warned that the target would render some industries “economically uncompetitive”
Lucky us!
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