The Future of Power Generation in Great Britain

[anonymous-user]

Gadgetmac said:

El stovey said:

turbobloke said:

From across the pond:

ROBERT BRYCE: A REALITY CHECK FOR U.S. SOLAR AND WIND
Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reality-check-for-s...

Actually not from across the pond. From the GWPF offices in London.

Those of us that don’t have a subscription to the Wall Street journal (everyone) can find the article where TB actually found it, in the right wing advocacy blog the GWPF.

https://www.thegwpf.com/robert-bryce-a-reality-che...

There’s just no point even checking his sources anymore...I stopped ages ago...it’s always the same old (oil industry funded) names.

Unfortunately by constantly trying to hide where he gets his facts, he actually makes the article unreadable on here without a subscription.

[Gadgetmac]

El stovey said:

Gadgetmac said:

El stovey said:

turbobloke said:

From across the pond:

ROBERT BRYCE: A REALITY CHECK FOR U.S. SOLAR AND WIND
Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reality-check-for-s...

Actually not from across the pond. From the GWPF offices in London.

Those of us that don’t have a subscription to the Wall Street journal (everyone) can find the article where TB actually found it, in the right wing advocacy blog the GWPF.

https://www.thegwpf.com/robert-bryce-a-reality-che...

There’s just no point even checking his sources anymore...I stopped ages ago...it’s always the same old (oil industry funded) names.

Unfortunately by constantly trying to hide where he gets his facts, he actually makes the article unreadable on here without a subscription.

So much skullduggery just so that he can post a link that doesn’t have the word GWPF in the address.

[dickymint]

Normal service will be resumed shortly - meanwhile.....

https://youtu.be/hQ4-hDKorQE

[Gadgetmac]

dickymint said:

Normal service will be resumed shortly - meanwhile.....

https://youtu.be/hQ4-hDKorQE

It will, he'll be back with another GWPF sourced article before you can say "The Heartland Institute".

Thank God the rest of the planet is moving on and ignoring his ilk.

[The3rdDukeofB]

turbobloke said:

From across the pond:

ROBERT BRYCE: A REALITY CHECK FOR U.S. SOLAR AND WIND
Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reality-check-for-s...

Stop Spamming.

[dickymint]

The3rdDukeofB said:

turbobloke said:

From across the pond:

ROBERT BRYCE: A REALITY CHECK FOR U.S. SOLAR AND WIND
Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reality-check-for-s...

Stop Spamming.

Go away Paddy!

[turbobloke]

dickymint said:

The3rdDukeofB said:

turbobloke said:

From across the pond:

ROBERT BRYCE: A REALITY CHECK FOR U.S. SOLAR AND WIND
Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reality-check-for-s...

Stop Spamming.

Go away Paddy!

It's news, it's politics in terms of policy, it has economic relevance and it's on-topic; it's clearly not spamming or even Spamming, so the post you replied to is trolling.

Go away trolls won't work, but it would make the thread a better place for airing different viewpoints with related evidence and an absence of juvenile personal remarks & nothing on-topic to redeem them.

More on-topic news and politics relevant to the thread::

Onshore Wind Critic Andrea Leadsom Is New UK Energy Secretary
https://www.rechargenews.com/wind/1828429/onshore-...


Don't hold any breath however.

[Gadgetmac]

dickymint said:

The3rdDukeofB said:

turbobloke said:

From across the pond:

ROBERT BRYCE: A REALITY CHECK FOR U.S. SOLAR AND WIND
Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reality-check-for-s...

Stop Spamming.

Go away Paddy!

That's about the 30th post I've seen where you're trying to get someone banned.

[dickymint]

Gadgetmac said:

dickymint said:

The3rdDukeofB said:

turbobloke said:

From across the pond:

ROBERT BRYCE: A REALITY CHECK FOR U.S. SOLAR AND WIND
Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reality-check-for-s...

Stop Spamming.

Go away Paddy!

That's about the 30th post I've seen where you're trying to get someone banned.

Obviously i need to try harder!

Care to contribute anything relevant to this thread?

[Gadgetmac]

dickymint said:

Gadgetmac said:

dickymint said:

The3rdDukeofB said:

turbobloke said:

From across the pond:

ROBERT BRYCE: A REALITY CHECK FOR U.S. SOLAR AND WIND
Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reality-check-for-s...

Stop Spamming.

Go away Paddy!

That's about the 30th post I've seen where you're trying to get someone banned.

Obviously i need to try harder!

Care to contribute anything relevant to this thread?

I just did. I pointed out that once again your own contribution was to try and get somebody banned. That's very useful information. Well certainly more useful than almost 99% of TB's deceptive posts.

[turbobloke]

According to Professor Gordon Hughes of Edinburgh University, who has analysed the latest data for windfarms coming on stream, we Brits are facing a doubling of electricity prices. This is in order to bail out new windfarms whose operators are about to play money chicken with the gov't.

Here's hoping this doesn't happen, far too many vulnerable people are choosing to heat or eat in the warm wet bitterly cold snowy winters we're getting from all the lovely gloopal wombling around and about. Too many of those end up dead - see excess winter deaths data (ONS),

[rscott]

turbobloke said:

According to Professor Gordon Hughes of Edinburgh University, who has analysed the latest data for windfarms coming on stream, we Brits are facing a doubling of electricity prices. This is in order to bail out new windfarms whose operators are about to play money chicken with the gov't.

Here's hoping this doesn't happen, far too many vulnerable people are choosing to heat or eat in the warm wet bitterly cold snowy winters we're getting from all the lovely gloopal wombling around and about. Too many of those end up dead - see excess winter deaths data (ONS),

How much do GWPF pay you to spam their reports on here? Yet you're incapable of including sources with your spam.

[dickymint]

rscott said:

turbobloke said:

According to Professor Gordon Hughes of Edinburgh University, who has analysed the latest data for windfarms coming on stream, we Brits are facing a doubling of electricity prices. This is in order to bail out new windfarms whose operators are about to play money chicken with the gov't.

Here's hoping this doesn't happen, far too many vulnerable people are choosing to heat or eat in the warm wet bitterly cold snowy winters we're getting from all the lovely gloopal wombling around and about. Too many of those end up dead - see excess winter deaths data (ONS),

How much do GWPF pay you to spam their reports on here? Yet you're incapable of including sources with your spam.

Also available at other outlets.................

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/27/electr...

Is it primary source or secondary? Or just the messenger you want to shoot?

Either way care to discuss the content?

[Gadgetmac]

turbobloke said:

According to Professor Gordon Hughes of Edinburgh University, who has analysed the latest data for windfarms coming on stream, we Brits are facing a doubling of electricity prices. This is in order to bail out new windfarms whose operators are about to play money chicken with the gov't.

Here's hoping this doesn't happen, far too many vulnerable people are choosing to heat or eat in the warm wet bitterly cold snowy winters we're getting from all the lovely gloopal wombling around and about. Too many of those end up dead - see excess winter deaths data (ONS),

So all of a sudden professors at Universities are good to quote and not part of any conspiracy to get more funding?

[Wayoftheflower]

Gadgetmac said:

turbobloke said:

According to Professor Gordon Hughes of Edinburgh University, who has analysed the latest data for windfarms coming on stream, we Brits are facing a doubling of electricity prices. This is in order to bail out new windfarms whose operators are about to play money chicken with the gov't.

Here's hoping this doesn't happen, far too many vulnerable people are choosing to heat or eat in the warm wet bitterly cold snowy winters we're getting from all the lovely gloopal wombling around and about. Too many of those end up dead - see excess winter deaths data (ONS),

So all of a sudden professors at Universities are good to quote and not part of any conspiracy to get more funding?

Irony isn't it, and to think just a day ago there were interesting discussions by informed people providing informative links before the return of the dreaded power generation and climate change thread seagull.

[rscott]

dickymint said:

rscott said:

turbobloke said:

According to Professor Gordon Hughes of Edinburgh University, who has analysed the latest data for windfarms coming on stream, we Brits are facing a doubling of electricity prices. This is in order to bail out new windfarms whose operators are about to play money chicken with the gov't.

Here's hoping this doesn't happen, far too many vulnerable people are choosing to heat or eat in the warm wet bitterly cold snowy winters we're getting from all the lovely gloopal wombling around and about. Too many of those end up dead - see excess winter deaths data (ONS),

How much do GWPF pay you to spam their reports on here? Yet you're incapable of including sources with your spam.

Also available at other outlets.................

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/27/electr...

Is it primary source or secondary? Or just the messenger you want to shoot?

Either way care to discuss the content?

The Telegraph seems to just be recycling the press release from GWPF. Of course, Turbobloke fails to give sources for his quotes though - that would be too helpful.

I'll wait for someone with more knowledge of the economics of wind turbines to give their opinion on his report.

[StanleyT]

Watched Ferrybridge knock down one of their cooling towers today. I have a family link to the towers there, after 3 towers collapsed during construction, my father built a 1:50 wind tunnel model of them and helped some clever PhDs chaps at CEGB as was discover how wind funnelling and vorticies etc could amplify between towers and that it was often the downwind towers that would collapse ( a bit like wind tip vorticies bringing down the plane behind them).

The tower at Fiddlers Ferry in Warrington fell down that day after he visited Fiddlers Ferry for the first time to look at their layout........spooky......though they reckon Fiddlers Ferry was poor construction.

Called in to see the old Man in Warrington at teh weekend, how different the sandanks in the Mersey look now there is a bridge straddling the river at Runcorn gap (with feet in the water) and FF isn't recirculating mass cooling, wonder if a new mid channel Island will form?

[alangla]

Ok, this is more a "The past of Power Generation" question, but anyway. Prompted by the post above about Fiddlers Ferry, why are English thermal stations from the middle of the last century generally located inland, even if only a few miles inland and equipped with massive cooling towers, while Scottish ones, e.g. Longannet, Inverkip, Peterhead etc are located either on the coast or on river estuaries and don't have them? The only Scottish power station I can think of, apart from long-closed places like Pinkston in Glasgow, with cooling towers was Chapelcross near Annan. Just a difference in design policy between the CEGB and SSEB/Hydro Electric? Why wasn't Fiddlers Ferry built a few miles downriver & just using water from the Mersey Estuary?

[phumy]

alangla said:

Ok, this is more a "The past of Power Generation" question, but anyway. Prompted by the post above about Fiddlers Ferry, why are English thermal stations from the middle of the last century generally located inland, even if only a few miles inland and equipped with massive cooling towers, while Scottish ones, e.g. Longannet, Inverkip, Peterhead etc are located either on the coast or on river estuaries and don't have them? The only Scottish power station I can think of, apart from long-closed places like Pinkston in Glasgow, with cooling towers was Chapelcross near Annan. Just a difference in design policy between the CEGB and SSEB/Hydro Electric? Why wasn't Fiddlers Ferry built a few miles downriver & just using water from the Mersey Estuary?

Imagine pumping all that residual heat from the condensers straight back into the rivers, you`ll have the fisheries dept and the ecologists jumping up and down because all the fish and weeds will die, i think its down to volume of available water.

[alangla]

phumy said:

Imagine pumping all that residual heat from the condensers straight back into the rivers, you`ll have the fisheries dept and the ecologists jumping up and down because all the fish and weeds will die, i think its down to volume of available water.

I get that, but take the Fiddlers Ferry/Longannet comparison - Longannet is on a riverbank, albeit at the point where the Forth starts to really widen out beyond the Kincardine Bridge (actually, did Kincardine power station have cooling towers?), so I guess the question is why wasn't Fiddlers Ferry built on a wider part of the river?