Explosions reported in Manchester?

[g4ry13]

briangriffin said:

g4ry13 said:

Stockholm syndrome?

It's a psychological condition where the captee starts to,identify with their captor no matter how irrational. Google it bugs its a well known condition

I'm very aware of it. My response to the comment that it was madness they'd want to stay with captors is likely to be stockholm syndrome.

Edit: I hadn't read the previous comment suggesting the same.

[CoolHands]

-Pete- said:

TLandCruiser said:

-Pete- said:

I wonder if Tony Blair and George Bush Jr feel in any way 'uneasy' about decisions they made in the past?

What, after 9/11?

Yeah, after the Saudi's attacked the US, they decided to attack a totally different bunch of countries...

yes the world would be so peaceful if it weren't for the UK & US, the monsters.

[bstb3]

The Spruce goose said:

Katie Hopkins seemed to crossed the line, pretty low.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/23/ma...

It's just another attempt by the empty headed bh to get publicity, any publicity, at any cost. She's just a disgrace and will have known full well what the connotation and reaction would be to saying it - regardless of whether she really meant it or not (fwiw she probably didn't). Frankly if this gets her dropped from every media outlet she has then it's about time but it won't. Despite all the frothing she gets page clicks and listeners - much more important than decency and respect these days.

[don'tbesilly]

Justayellowbadge said:

Trabi601 said:

They've discovered an edge in the election campaign and a way to implement ever more authoritarian government.

Deploying troops on the streets, spying on internet use and now proposing to implement controls on what we can and can't view and / or post on the 'net.

This isn't the place for such debate, really - but May is going to use this for her own authoritarian gain, and the public are going to lap it up.

Jesus Christ.

Sickening.

Beggars belief!

[227bhp]

I'm sorry I CBA to wade through all 54 pages in this thread, but how come there are 15 people missing?

[plasticpig]

jsf said:

If you are referring to the IRA bombing of Manchester, it didn't take decades to get over, we were back to normal business the next day, we just had a bit of building to do and disruption to business to deal with.

This event is different because of the nature of the atrocity, it will sadly affect a lot of young people, but I have faith in the people of Manchester to work together to get through this and manage the required perspective. It's depressing to know kids like in my own family will now be thinking about this event when they plan to visit a concert or event, but they will get through it with the good sensible guidance the majority of households in the UK provide to their children.

I was in city centre on the day of the IRA bombing. I was in St Anne"s square when the police began the evacuation. Very frightening experience at the time; but a lot of positive things resulted from that bomb.

Massive amount of investment and regeneration of that part of the city which vastly improved the area. Arguably it would of happened anyway but not as quickly or on such a large scale.

Unfortunately there will be no such silver linings this time.

[dudleybloke]

I find it is best to try and ignore trabi's constant trolling.
It is either a demented fool or a shill.
Either way it doesn't have many fans here and should maybe consider lobotomization or similar invasive procedure.

[Sylvaforever]

Scottish separatists have been at the same all day..

Not Edinburgh btw

[Trabi601]

dudleybloke said:

I find it is best to try and ignore trabi's constant trolling.
It is either a demented fool or a shill.
Either way it doesn't have many fans here and should maybe consider lobotomization or similar invasive procedure.

I know it doesn't have many fans here, but the borderline racist hatred being posted here shouldn't have a home here at all.

It beggars belief that a company like Haymarket will turn a blind eye to a forum which is drifting further towards National Socialism on a daily basis. (And that's exactly what it is - how many posts on this discussion are hinting at what is essentially ethnic cleansing?)

[rscott]

227bhp said:

I'm sorry I CBA to wade through all 54 pages in this thread, but how come there are 15 people missing?

I'm assuming some are unconscious and injured in hospital. May well have lost any ID or phone at the time.

[jakesmith]

johnxjsc1985 said:

why this guy was born in Manchester his parents given a home fleeing from their troubled homeland what was it we did to him that changed him into a monster.

Sadly society is full of people who are weak, easily lead / persuaded. Just look at the number of people who get conned out of their life savings in those romance scams etc. You read about them in the papers and think 'who in their right mind could fall for such a scam and send all their savings off to someone they haven't met', or invest in some business or other scam

Well anecdotally the back stories of these terrorists are often characterised by some of the following - disgruntled with society, a misfit, not many friends, their life lacks meaning or is mundane - often this is down to their own background, lack of talent or drive, or circumstances that are within or without their control. If they happen to be weak and gullible as per above, they are ripe for falling under the influence of an evil manipulator, whether at a place of worship, online, in prison etc - ie at an unregulated space (as prisons are at present).

They know what they are doing but are obviously utterly deluded about why they are doing it.

As a horrified member of public it is easy to get drawn down the path of hating not just this toxic ideology, but its associated religion too. That is exactly what the manipulators want though so you play into their hands if you do. They seek to divide society, create hatred and unrest.

Just to add, I am utterly disguised by this act and the whole ideology that spawned it, I am only offering my interpretation of how it comes about, there is zero excuse and people caught being involved in this should receive full life sentences rather thn the 8-10 years they seem to get. If they want to destroy society they should not get to enjoy it again.

[skeggysteve]

Pothole said:

skeggysteve said:

rscott said:

You seriously believe all Muslims want to eliminate all non-Muslims from the entire planet?

I can't go into all the details as it happened whilst I was at work but:

I meet a Muslim last year, he wouldn't let me into his house because, in his words, 'I was an infidel'.

I asked him if he thought of himself as British - 'I was born here'.

He told me that as a Muslim he wanted to convert all British to Islam, it was his duty, the Quran told him to do it.

Outwardly he looked normal but his words and actions were not normal.

For reference I'm white and British born and breed.

You are an infidel. It means non-believer. The JWs who knock on the door from time to time want to convert "all British" and everyone else in the world to JWism.

Do you believe the bloke you spoke to is an extremist who will use terror tactics to try and convert you?

If not, what's your point?

Pot,

With hindsight I think the guy I spoke to was, in my view an extremist, but maybe not the bombing type.

But he was extreme in his views about Islam and I did feel very uncomfortable about his attitude toward me - I will say no more.


My point was my real life experiance in response to the post that I quoted.

[chilistrucker]

Yipper said:

Puggit said:

chilistrucker said:

UK terror threat level raised to critical.

I can't remember that happening before.

Government say army might be deployed. French army has been deployed for at least a decade...

There may be partly a political element to the decision. May wants to look strong and stable and decisive ahead of the election in 2 weeks.

Having said that, there have been IS lunatics posting the past 24hrs that vehicle or train attacks are next, pointing to London, so the threat increase does look real. And the bomber yesterday traveled up by train from London, so there may be an active network there on the run.

Well some big events up and coming, rugby, F.A Cup, plenty of gigs on at o2 for the foreseeable future, Guns and Roses next month at the London stadium all are possible targets I guess for the fanatics.

We used to chat about it on the tours a couple of years back saying how easy it would be for those intent on these sorts of things to hit most major gigs, and there 'soft' surrounding areas.

o2 London I always thought would be high on their list and pretty easy to do, even more so now after last nights events.
A nice summers evening and the o2 is often packed with thousands and thousands of people, a mix of gig goers and general tourists. You could do an awful lot of damage at the 02 without even setting foot through the doors, especially with all the restaurants and bars outside now and with so many ways to get there easily by road, tube, train, bus, docklands light railway, the Thames clipper boats, and even the cable car ride.
If someone was determined enough and under the radar.....

[Lance Catamaran]

otolith said:

Lance Catamaran said:

Valuing the lives of women and girls more is the exact opposite of sexism though (and whilst you may be correctly thinking it actually is, because it's against men it might as well not exist to these people). It also ignores the fact that men have been killed and injured in this attack . This is the same woman who wants to run for congress but thinks giant corporations will build bases on the moon and use moon rocks as weapons of mass destruction though.

Oh, I know she's not thought it through to that extent, but it certainly is sexism and to their credit there are feminists who point it out. They're generally of the opinion that it can be fixed through trickle down equality by fixing the areas where women are disadvantaged and point to it as a reason for men to support their cause, but they do acknowledge it.

Probably something for a different topic though.

the teaming up of feminism and islam is truly baffling, and what is most telling for me is that the tweet focusses on her agenda instead of the ideology responsible. but yes, that's another topic.

[Jonmx]

don'tbesilly said:

Justayellowbadge said:

Trabi601 said:

They've discovered an edge in the election campaign and a way to implement ever more authoritarian government.

Deploying troops on the streets, spying on internet use and now proposing to implement controls on what we can and can't view and / or post on the 'net.

This isn't the place for such debate, really - but May is going to use this for her own authoritarian gain, and the public are going to lap it up.

Jesus Christ.

Sickening.

Beggars belief!

Whilst I disagree with Trabi that May is manipulating the situation for her own authoritarian gain, she most certainly has an agenda that she has held since her time as Home Secretary and that does involve the erosion of civil liberties in the name of national security. Edward Snowden stated that British Intelligence are far more aggressive in data collection and monitoring than the NSA. His description of GCHQ's 'smurf suite' makes for interesting reading.
I'm all for anything that makes the detection and prevention of attacks easier, and I'd be in favour of reintroducing the offence of treason with a suitable punishment for those British born citizens who plan and carry out terror attacks. I am however uneasy at the gradual erosion of civil liberties within this country in the name of Intelligence capability.

[dudleybloke]

Trabi601 said:

dudleybloke said:

I find it is best to try and ignore trabi's constant trolling.
It is either a demented fool or a shill.
Either way it doesn't have many fans here and should maybe consider lobotomization or similar invasive procedure.

I know it doesn't have many fans here, but the borderline racist hatred being posted here shouldn't have a home here at all.

It beggars belief that a company like Haymarket will turn a blind eye to a forum which is drifting further towards National Socialism on a daily basis.

You should be on the stage.

[227bhp]

rscott said:

227bhp said:

I'm sorry I CBA to wade through all 54 pages in this thread, but how come there are 15 people missing?

I'm assuming some are unconscious and injured in hospital. May well have lost any ID or phone at the time.

No that makes no sense. People are out there looking for missing relatives, where have they gone? If it was as simple as them being injured in hospital they would be reunited, we are talking about a relatively small amount of people injured/dead here, not something of Tsunami proportions with hundreds/thousands of people being swept away, killed or injured.

There was some poor chap filmed showing people in the street pics of a girl asking if they'd seen her, wtf is that all about?

[jakesmith]

Jonmx said:

the gradual erosion of civil liberties

Communications technology has progressed exponentially in an incredibly short amount of time
Without being able to read most of what is being sent via all these new digital channels, secret services may as well not be able to read any of it
They also need to be able to go back in time if they find a lead to see what they have been doing up to that point to assess a potential threat
The result is inevitably mass data collection
I am not one of those people who says 'I have nothing to fear or hide' but I have a more pragmatic approach. I don't inherently trust or think that government agencies are particularly competent but... much of the time these terrorists were 'known' or 'watched' yet they were still able to commit atrocities. With that in mind, how much resource bandwidth is given to Joe Blogs. Not a lot I would imagine.

Edited by jakesmith on Tuesday 23 May 23:58

[rambo19]

The young people killed will have grown up in a multi cultural UK, will hopefully have not a racist bone in their bodies, will probably have friends of all faiths and colour, and this sick lunitic kills them.

[D-Angle]

rscott said:

227bhp said:

I'm sorry I CBA to wade through all 54 pages in this thread, but how come there are 15 people missing?

I'm assuming some are unconscious and injured in hospital. May well have lost any ID or phone at the time.

It's also possible that they have not been able to identify some of the bodies yet. Only a few have been named so far out of 22 which suggests this process isn't complete.