Explosions reported in Manchester?
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mickk said:
ferrisbueller said:
I wonder what would happen if those who do pray just gave it up.
It doesn't seem to be working.And if people got their hand around that then that would be a major step.
We'd still have wars over resources but at least the religious motives would disappear. And that seems to account for a lot.
jakesmith said:
What should TM do if not a display of reassurance to the public to make us feel safer? Nothing?
I wonder if "a display of reassurance" including increasing the terror threat level to critical, and announcing soldiers will operate alongside the police, does actually make "us" a whole feel safer, or whether perhaps it actually is the means by which the actual terror is permeated.I obviously don't know if it would work, but, arguably a better response would be for absolutely nothing to change, and for leaders to stand up and say we will mourn the tragedy, and then carry on. She could say, for example, "The people who carry out these crimes would like us to react and change, but we should not change anything for these fools. We'll mourn the loss of life, support those affected, repair the damage to our buildings, and then we will carry on."
I'm not sure I understand the rationale behind the terror threat scale, or at least the idea of making it public. On the one hand, we are told to carry on, go about our business, mustn't let it affects our lives etc, but on the other we are told there is a critical threat and an attack may be imminent. I think we now know that an attack can happen any time, any where, and to be vigilant, look out for suspicious things etc etc. So, what is the point of publicly setting a terror threat level, and all the media associated with that.
It simply serves to permeate the actual terror.
A minimal response *could* be a better one.
Even if all the foiled attacks had been carried out, the risk would still be miniscule.
plasticpig said:
ferrisbueller said:
Why does the house of Saud need 110 bn dollars of arms?
Because of the ongoing conflict with Iran. Currently it's a bit like the cold war with proxy wars in various trouble spots like Yemen and Syria. And again, based on ideological differences.
You would have hoped mankind would have evolved beyond this point by now.
Can't help feeling if the future is bright it will be accompanied by a strong wind and a mushroom cloud.
Ideology appears to be nonnegotiable.
anonymous said:
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Came across this article earlier which you may find some reassurance in.http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nice-attack-do...
mickk said:
ferrisbueller said:
I wonder what would happen if those who do pray just gave it up.
It doesn't seem to be working.I imagine it's like a three-way pray-o-meter where he's checking muslim prayers against christian prayers against jewish prayers
ferrisbueller said:
plasticpig said:
ferrisbueller said:
Why does the house of Saud need 110 bn dollars of arms?
Because of the ongoing conflict with Iran. Currently it's a bit like the cold war with proxy wars in various trouble spots like Yemen and Syria. And again, based on ideological differences.
You would have hoped mankind would have evolved beyond this point by now.
Can't help feeling if the future is bright it will be accompanied by a strong wind and a mushroom cloud.
Ideology appears to be nonnegotiable.
"Manchester suicide bomber Salman Abedi 'returned home from Libya days before deadly attack'"
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/manchester-suici...
Things have gone well in Libya since our intervention. Well done Cameron and Sarkozy.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/manchester-suici...
Things have gone well in Libya since our intervention. Well done Cameron and Sarkozy.
Cobnapint said:
This is true. It's just a matter of time before they trip.
The problem is this - our own laws, our courts and general high moral standards prevent us from doing much about it until it's too late.
Surely, seeing as nearly ALL the attackers in the ever growing list now come with 'already known to security services' on their CV, we have reached the stage where everybody on that list MUST now be regarded as a serious threat to our society and should be removed.
Would that be the opposite of innocent until proven guilty? The problem is this - our own laws, our courts and general high moral standards prevent us from doing much about it until it's too late.
Surely, seeing as nearly ALL the attackers in the ever growing list now come with 'already known to security services' on their CV, we have reached the stage where everybody on that list MUST now be regarded as a serious threat to our society and should be removed.
shed driver said:
The latest casualty Olivia Campbell is at the same school as my youngest son, Adam Lawler they young man injured was at his primary school and now at the same high school. It's just now beginning to sink home.
SD.
Her mother was on GM Breakfast yesterday pleading for her to get in touch. Heartbreaking.SD.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-45330...
JagLover said:
chrispmartha said:
skyrover said:
chrispmartha said:
Why do people like to always paint this as a left right issue, I'm probably what you would describe as a 'lefty' (especially by PH standards) but I despise religion. Tarring everyone woth the sam brush won't help this situation
Simply going off the guardian comments section.A left wing newspaper, typically read and endorsed by the left
It is not about the old left right split on economic matters just a Metropolitan elite trying to impose their agenda on the rest of the country. As to why they love Islam so much despite Fundamentalist Islam opposing so much of their agenda, well their self loathing for their own civilization trumps all I'm afraid.
Defending someones right to practice a religion is not the same as 'loving' that religion
MaxSo said:
Cobnapint said:
This is true. It's just a matter of time before they trip.
The problem is this - our own laws, our courts and general high moral standards prevent us from doing much about it until it's too late.
Surely, seeing as nearly ALL the attackers in the ever growing list now come with 'already known to security services' on their CV, we have reached the stage where everybody on that list MUST now be regarded as a serious threat to our society and should be removed.
Would that be the opposite of innocent until proven guilty? The problem is this - our own laws, our courts and general high moral standards prevent us from doing much about it until it's too late.
Surely, seeing as nearly ALL the attackers in the ever growing list now come with 'already known to security services' on their CV, we have reached the stage where everybody on that list MUST now be regarded as a serious threat to our society and should be removed.
Burwood said:
ferrisbueller said:
plasticpig said:
ferrisbueller said:
Why does the house of Saud need 110 bn dollars of arms?
Because of the ongoing conflict with Iran. Currently it's a bit like the cold war with proxy wars in various trouble spots like Yemen and Syria. And again, based on ideological differences.
You would have hoped mankind would have evolved beyond this point by now.
Can't help feeling if the future is bright it will be accompanied by a strong wind and a mushroom cloud.
Ideology appears to be nonnegotiable.
chrispmartha said:
Who's 'they' and why do you think 'they' love islam.
Defending someones right to practice a religion is not the same as 'loving' that religion
How did you feel about the Christian Bakery/Queerspace debacle? Defending someones right to practice a religion is not the same as 'loving' that religion
Where was the left defending their right to adhere to their beliefs?
Oceanic said:
Whoever voted for Blair during those many years must take some responsibility for the overall mess we find ourselves in now I feel. Same goes for Bush voters. We poked a hornet's nest and now we are getting bitten.
You have a point but probably not in the way you think you do. The problem was not poking the hornets nest but the destruction of the controlling powers in the region (Saddam in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan) and leaving a weakened pro-west power in it's place. This lead to a power vacuum in the area. With the destabilization in Libya and Egypt the ill-advised support of rebel groups in Syria and the current support of both sides in the Yemen there is ample opportunity for the more extreme groups to get more than a toe hold.If Assad is removed I can only see things getting worse as there is no rebel group strong enough by itself to unify Syria. It seems western powers need to learn the lesson again that the enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
ironv8 said:
Amber Rudd just been on gmtv with piers morgan, I've notice that all top cops/politicians have avoided the words muslim and islam in any interviews. Rudd came close but said ISIS and not Islamic State.
We mustn't hurt anyone's feelings.ferrisbueller said:
I must admit, reading and thinking about it makes it no easier to understand. Nor see a healthy peaceful conclusion.
That's because you are quite naturally believing that a peaceful conclusion is what people are seeking.If you have peace, you are far less likely to sell 100 billion dollars of arms.
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