Explosions reported in Manchester?
Discussion
Trabi601 said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
I'm probably alone in thinking if you have sought asylum in a country because you claim it is too dangerous for you to live in your home country and you are found to be in the very same country you claimed you were too afraid to be in then your asylum should be revoked.
Wasn't this bomber born in Manchester and a UK citizen?Depends what's happened in their original country in the time they've been in the UK I guess.
BlackLabel said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swords_to_ploughshar...
GTIAlex said:
You can see why people will support him especially after the attack.Just looking at his views on the YouTube account says it all.
As someone posted the thing from the nurse..... Thanks Joe for your efforts in hospital.. but rather than preach as to how we should all think about the positives of children being blown up I would rather the people thinking of commiting such acts were eradicated before they carried them out so your efforts are never required.
I still cannot comprehend why and how we continue to find it impossible to challenge this insidious ideology. British Muslims are
not doing enough. In every case where an attack is successful... Someone knows and hasn't alerted authorities. Too many would side with a Muslim.
I still cannot comprehend why and how we continue to find it impossible to challenge this insidious ideology. British Muslims are
not doing enough. In every case where an attack is successful... Someone knows and hasn't alerted authorities. Too many would side with a Muslim.
ked up world 
Telegraph said:
The Manchester suicide bomber was repeatedly flagged to the authorities over his extremist views, but was not stopped by officers, it emerged last night.
Counter Terrorism agencies were facing questions after it emerged Salman Abedi told friends that “being a suicide bomber was okay”, prompting them to call the Government’s anti-terrorism hotline.
Sources suggest that authorities were informed of the danger posed by Abedi on at least five separate occasions in the five years prior to the attack on Monday night.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/24/security-services-missed-five-opportunities-stop-manchester/Counter Terrorism agencies were facing questions after it emerged Salman Abedi told friends that “being a suicide bomber was okay”, prompting them to call the Government’s anti-terrorism hotline.
Sources suggest that authorities were informed of the danger posed by Abedi on at least five separate occasions in the five years prior to the attack on Monday night.
BBC Midlands late news reported an arrest has been made in Nuneaton, Warwickshire in connection with the Manchester bombing. Now being reported on main BBC website.
Wonderful!
What were Salman Abedi's father's links to terror groups?
Ramadan, a former airport security worker, was a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting group in the 1990s, according to a former Libyan security official. The group had links to Al-Qaeda. Although the LIFG disbanded, he reportedly belongs to the Salafi Jihadi movement, the most extreme sect of Salafism and from which Al-Qaeda and ISIS hail. He had also publicly voiced his support for an extremist group fighting in Syria. He posted photos of soldiers clad in black uniforms from the Al-Nusra Front, which was the official Syrian branch of al Qaeda until it broke up last July, on his Facebook page five years ago.
Ramadan's wife, Samia, a nuclear scientist, is a close friend of the wife of Abu Anas al-Libi, an Al-Qaeda veteran who was snatched off the streets of Tripoli in 2013 by US special forces. Al-Libi faced accusations of involvement in the 1998 bombings of two US embassies in Africa. He was on the FBI's most-wanted terrorist list and died in U.S. custody in 2015.
Why did his parents leave Britain?
Ramadan fled Tripoli in 1993 to Saudi Arabia after he was accused of helping Islamists by tipping them off before police raids.
He then claimed political asylum in Britain and lived there for 25 years, fathering three sons and a daughter, before returning to Libya after Gadhafi was ousted and killed in the country's 2011 civil war.
He went on to become a manager of the Central Security Force in Tripoli, as different factions continued to fight for overall control of the country.
(He did well to flee in 1993 and live in the UK 25 years)
What were Salman Abedi's father's links to terror groups?
Ramadan, a former airport security worker, was a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting group in the 1990s, according to a former Libyan security official. The group had links to Al-Qaeda. Although the LIFG disbanded, he reportedly belongs to the Salafi Jihadi movement, the most extreme sect of Salafism and from which Al-Qaeda and ISIS hail. He had also publicly voiced his support for an extremist group fighting in Syria. He posted photos of soldiers clad in black uniforms from the Al-Nusra Front, which was the official Syrian branch of al Qaeda until it broke up last July, on his Facebook page five years ago.
Ramadan's wife, Samia, a nuclear scientist, is a close friend of the wife of Abu Anas al-Libi, an Al-Qaeda veteran who was snatched off the streets of Tripoli in 2013 by US special forces. Al-Libi faced accusations of involvement in the 1998 bombings of two US embassies in Africa. He was on the FBI's most-wanted terrorist list and died in U.S. custody in 2015.
Why did his parents leave Britain?
Ramadan fled Tripoli in 1993 to Saudi Arabia after he was accused of helping Islamists by tipping them off before police raids.
He then claimed political asylum in Britain and lived there for 25 years, fathering three sons and a daughter, before returning to Libya after Gadhafi was ousted and killed in the country's 2011 civil war.
He went on to become a manager of the Central Security Force in Tripoli, as different factions continued to fight for overall control of the country.
(He did well to flee in 1993 and live in the UK 25 years)
Edited by Oakey on Wednesday 24th May 23:38
rich1231 said:
As someone posted the thing from the nurse..... Thanks Joe for your efforts in hospital.. but rather than preach as to how we should all think about the positives of children being blown up I would rather the people thinking of commiting such acts were eradicated before they carried them out so your efforts are never required.
I still cannot comprehend why and how we continue to find it impossible to challenge this insidious ideology. British Muslims are
not doing enough. In every case where an attack is successful... Someone knows and hasn't alerted authorities. Too many would side with a Muslim.
And when 2 of his friends and the mosque have reported his extremist views to the relevant authorities over a 5 year period. Do you still blame Muslims for not doing anything?I still cannot comprehend why and how we continue to find it impossible to challenge this insidious ideology. British Muslims are
not doing enough. In every case where an attack is successful... Someone knows and hasn't alerted authorities. Too many would side with a Muslim.
rscott said:
And when 2 of his friends and the mosque have reported his extremist views to the relevant authorities over a 5 year period. Do you still blame Muslims for not doing anything?
I blame Islam for generating so much need to report/follow/keep a watch on so many that our security forces are swamped to the extent that we miss a fewTheChampers said:
frankenstein12 said:
Justayellowbadge said:
frankenstein12 said:
Tom Logan said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Scottish bloke made despicable comments, deserves to be shown for what he is.
Identifying the sister of the scumbag that blew himself up and linking her FB page very different - is there a suggestion she was in any way involved? Exposing her is not cool, IMO.
Fair enough.Identifying the sister of the scumbag that blew himself up and linking her FB page very different - is there a suggestion she was in any way involved? Exposing her is not cool, IMO.
I would bet money his sister and their family they are as res knew he held extremist views. I don't know if they made the authorities aware but if not imho they are as responsible as he is for the deaths and injuries.
Some utter vulva nail bombed children because he made assumptions about 'us'.
You advocate potential suffering for someone who may be entirely unconnected for pretty much the same reasons.
Her life has just altered, terribly and irredeemably.
I'd rather not add to that based on what a bigoted moron would bet on.
I wasn't really going to post again at least for a few days on this subject as Events have hit close to home.
I did earlier on copy the post above from some pages back. I was going to post what I am now
Firstly it looks as if (and forgive me if I am wrong and attribute the wrong thing to the wrong person ) but it looks as if The Champers is having a go at Frankenstein for posting a link to a facebook page.
Frankenstein didn't post the link I DID
I posted the link as I noticed that this person (the detonators sister) had a facebook page that had been referenced in a news report I pointed out that a woman brought up in the UK didn't have any what you might call standard British people as her friends they were nearly all foreigners from Libya or whatever. One or two people drew the conclusion as I had that it seemed as if there had been little obvious attempts to mix with brits
Just a yellow badge took issue with my linking the page he was clear and courteous in his comment he didn't think it was the done thing at no stage did he resort to name calling or abuse. Unfortunately someone made I believe a derogatory comment about the womans appearance which didn't help. Personally I though her to be attractive but unfortunately then someone else jumped in ad assumed it was put there to try to intimidate the woman
It wasn't it was put there simply to show the lack of integration
Since then however events as they do have overtaken it and it seems that just about everyone connected to the guys family is being arrested.
So if anyone is to blame for posting it its me not Frankenstein and to be blunt right now I really couldn't care less if the woman does get harassed. It seems the whole bloody family is a bunch of evil vipers.
Smiler. said:
Young muslim lad speaking on R4 (PM programme), apparently knew the accused.
I heard this guy in the car - sounded to me like he was blaming every man and his dog for not pandering to their culture and belief system and as such it's not surprising that some would want blow stuff up. Everyone else's fault.Edited by Mothersruin on Thursday 25th May 00:13
MaxSo said:
Joe O’Brien is a senior sister in the surgical department of Stepping Hill hospital in Stockport, where six of the 59 injured in the Manchester bombing were treated.
"On Monday, I worked from 8am until 6pm as a surgery sister at Stepping Hill hospital in Stockport. I was in bed that night listening to BBC Radio Four when I heard the words ‘Manchester’ and ‘incident’. I immediately thought about Declan, my son, a student who lives in central Manchester. I shot downstairs, spoke to my husband Sean. We rang Declan and established that he was OK, then I rang work and went in.
When I got there at 1.30am there were ambulances outside which had brought in six of the 59 casualties from the arena. They were stabilised in the A&E unit and brought to the surgical department where I work. They all had what we call lower limb injuries with foreign bodies – shrapnel injuries. Metal bolts and nuts, some an inch wide, had gone into them. They had caused real damage and left big holes in people. Shrapnel is like a large bullethole. It just destroys anything it goes through – arteries, bones, nerves, the lot. I’ve been in operating theatres since 1988 and it’s the most upsetting thing I’ve ever seen.
My patient was a lovely, lovely lady who had been in the foyer of the arena when the bomb went off. She had extensive, horrendous injuries caused by the shrapnel, including broken bones and tissue damage. She was in theatre from 3am until about 6.30am. I talked to her just before she went to sleep for the operation and she was just holding my hand and saying ‘Thank you, thank you’. She was in a very bad way but was still smiling and saying thank you. That showed real humanity; I thought that was amazing.
At least four of the six patients needed surgery. Usually only one of our 18 theatres is open overnight for emergencies. But on Monday, surgery was going on simultaneously in three of them, staffed by teams including about 25 other colleagues who like me had just come in to help – surgeons, anaesthetists, nurses, theatre technicians, radiologists to read X-rays and hospital managers – everyone.
Surgeons took the bolts and nuts out of patients and repaired the damage they had caused. One woman with abdominal shrapnel damage who arrived at 4am ended up in theatre for 12 hours.
The atmosphere in the surgical department overnight was very calm and focused but also very emotional. I found it emotional partly because of my lovely lady patient, who didn’t deserve what happened to her; I’ll always remember her smiling. And emotional also because one of the doctors I worked with overnight had actually been at the arena when the bomb exploded, waiting to pick up his daughter from the concert. He didn’t even mention that though. I don’t know how he found the strength to come into work and work all night after getting his daughter home, and after being at the scene of such horror, but he did. I said to him, ‘You’re fantastic.’ But he just said: ‘I’m not fantastic; it’s what we do.’
Strangely, it was only when the police told us to bag up the clothes belonging to the casualties and also the shrapnel – not to clean the bolts and nuts, because they would need them for evidence – that I realised something awful had happened. That brought home the enormity of it.
I’m still feeling very raw and emotional. I finally finished at 9.30 on Tuesday morning and I cried when I got home. On the BBC news a lady was appealing for help to find her daughter and that reminded me of how I felt when I woke up and panicked about my son in Manchester. I cuddled up with my black labrador, called Shadow, on the floor and had a good cry.
A terrible thing happened, and there’s no explanation for it. But I don’t want to think about who did it. I want to focus on the good I saw and was part of on Monday night. We should focus on the love and warmth people displayed after the bomb, and on those who helped those affected, like the homeless guys who gave people directions after the bomb, and not on those who do things like this."
I didn't believe the passage from the 'Paramedic-turned-Children's-Surgeon' I read yesterday on here. "On Monday, I worked from 8am until 6pm as a surgery sister at Stepping Hill hospital in Stockport. I was in bed that night listening to BBC Radio Four when I heard the words ‘Manchester’ and ‘incident’. I immediately thought about Declan, my son, a student who lives in central Manchester. I shot downstairs, spoke to my husband Sean. We rang Declan and established that he was OK, then I rang work and went in.
When I got there at 1.30am there were ambulances outside which had brought in six of the 59 casualties from the arena. They were stabilised in the A&E unit and brought to the surgical department where I work. They all had what we call lower limb injuries with foreign bodies – shrapnel injuries. Metal bolts and nuts, some an inch wide, had gone into them. They had caused real damage and left big holes in people. Shrapnel is like a large bullethole. It just destroys anything it goes through – arteries, bones, nerves, the lot. I’ve been in operating theatres since 1988 and it’s the most upsetting thing I’ve ever seen.
My patient was a lovely, lovely lady who had been in the foyer of the arena when the bomb went off. She had extensive, horrendous injuries caused by the shrapnel, including broken bones and tissue damage. She was in theatre from 3am until about 6.30am. I talked to her just before she went to sleep for the operation and she was just holding my hand and saying ‘Thank you, thank you’. She was in a very bad way but was still smiling and saying thank you. That showed real humanity; I thought that was amazing.
At least four of the six patients needed surgery. Usually only one of our 18 theatres is open overnight for emergencies. But on Monday, surgery was going on simultaneously in three of them, staffed by teams including about 25 other colleagues who like me had just come in to help – surgeons, anaesthetists, nurses, theatre technicians, radiologists to read X-rays and hospital managers – everyone.
Surgeons took the bolts and nuts out of patients and repaired the damage they had caused. One woman with abdominal shrapnel damage who arrived at 4am ended up in theatre for 12 hours.
The atmosphere in the surgical department overnight was very calm and focused but also very emotional. I found it emotional partly because of my lovely lady patient, who didn’t deserve what happened to her; I’ll always remember her smiling. And emotional also because one of the doctors I worked with overnight had actually been at the arena when the bomb exploded, waiting to pick up his daughter from the concert. He didn’t even mention that though. I don’t know how he found the strength to come into work and work all night after getting his daughter home, and after being at the scene of such horror, but he did. I said to him, ‘You’re fantastic.’ But he just said: ‘I’m not fantastic; it’s what we do.’
Strangely, it was only when the police told us to bag up the clothes belonging to the casualties and also the shrapnel – not to clean the bolts and nuts, because they would need them for evidence – that I realised something awful had happened. That brought home the enormity of it.
I’m still feeling very raw and emotional. I finally finished at 9.30 on Tuesday morning and I cried when I got home. On the BBC news a lady was appealing for help to find her daughter and that reminded me of how I felt when I woke up and panicked about my son in Manchester. I cuddled up with my black labrador, called Shadow, on the floor and had a good cry.
A terrible thing happened, and there’s no explanation for it. But I don’t want to think about who did it. I want to focus on the good I saw and was part of on Monday night. We should focus on the love and warmth people displayed after the bomb, and on those who helped those affected, like the homeless guys who gave people directions after the bomb, and not on those who do things like this."
However well-intentioned, I'm struggling to believe this, either.
Sorry.
Stickyfinger said:
rscott said:
And when 2 of his friends and the mosque have reported his extremist views to the relevant authorities over a 5 year period. Do you still blame Muslims for not doing anything?
I blame Islam for generating so much need to report/follow/keep a watch on so many that our security forces are swamped to the extent that we miss a fewJohnny Raydome said:
I didn't believe the passage from the 'Paramedic-turned-Children's-Surgeon' I read yesterday on here.
However well-intentioned, I'm struggling to believe this, either.
Sorry.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/24/i-still-feel-raw-nurse-tells-of-treating-manchester-bombing-victimsHowever well-intentioned, I'm struggling to believe this, either.
Sorry.
otolith said:
Johnny Raydome said:
I didn't believe the passage from the 'Paramedic-turned-Children's-Surgeon' I read yesterday on here.
However well-intentioned, I'm struggling to believe this, either.
Sorry.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/24/i-still-feel-raw-nurse-tells-of-treating-manchester-bombing-victimsHowever well-intentioned, I'm struggling to believe this, either.
Sorry.
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