Explosions reported in Manchester?
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Cobnapint said:
Alpinestars said:
Culture is a tad more nuanced than a proveable fact. Do you think the West's interference in Afghanistan has not led to some terrorism?
Our presence in Afganistan has undoubtedly led to some terrorism, but not 'interfering' would lead to a far worse outcome. That is to say, a totally consolidated country, under the total jurisdiction of the murderous Taliban, AQ, or ISIS, with it's own unquestioning, suicidal Islamist Army - with the probable intention and capability of eventually obtaining and using nuclear weapons against the infidels. Us.If it were left to fester, that is what you would be looking at in the long term, as well as far more in the way of terrorist attacks globally, in the mean time.
https://youtu.be/fpKlNOmIlZg
Cobnapint said:
Our presence in Afganistan has undoubtedly led to some terrorism, but not 'interfering' would lead to a far worse outcome. That is to say, a totally consolidated country, under the total jurisdiction of the murderous Taliban, AQ, or ISIS, with it's own unquestioning, suicidal Islamist Army - with the probable intention and capability of eventually obtaining and using nuclear weapons against the infidels. Us.
If it were left to fester, that is what you would be looking at in the long term, as well as far more in the way of terrorist attacks globally, in the mean time.
That shows a complete lack of understanding of the history and the demographics of Afghanistan. They've spent the last 400+ years kicking seven bells out of each other. They're about as "united" as a bar of Cadbury's Flake. The Taliban only came into being and were only so successful because of $billions in funding from the CIA via Pakistan.If it were left to fester, that is what you would be looking at in the long term, as well as far more in the way of terrorist attacks globally, in the mean time.
As has been repeated across several threads - we really need to keep our noses out as the Law of Unintended Consequences tends to come back and bite us in the arrse.
Cobnapint said:
Our presence in Afganistan has undoubtedly led to some terrorism, but not 'interfering' would lead to a far worse outcome.
Afghanistan, 1970shttp://www.barnorama.com/afghanistan-1970s/
You find much the same story in Iran.
Doing quite nicely thanks, then proxy war.
grumbledoak said:
Afghanistan, 1970s
http://www.barnorama.com/afghanistan-1970s/
You find much the same story in Iran.
Doing quite nicely thanks, then proxy war.
Doing quite nicely thanks, then along comes medieval hard line Islamic extremism again to take it all away - you mean.http://www.barnorama.com/afghanistan-1970s/
You find much the same story in Iran.
Doing quite nicely thanks, then proxy war.
Cobnapint said:
Alpinestars said:
Culture is a tad more nuanced than a proveable fact. Do you think the West's interference in Afghanistan has not led to some terrorism?
Our presence in Afganistan has undoubtedly led to some terrorism, but not 'interfering' would lead to a far worse outcome. That is to say, a totally consolidated country, under the total jurisdiction of the murderous Taliban, AQ, or ISIS, with it's own unquestioning, suicidal Islamist Army - with the probable intention and capability of eventually obtaining and using nuclear weapons against the infidels. Us.If it were left to fester, that is what you would be looking at in the long term, as well as far more in the way of terrorist attacks globally, in the mean time.
Cobnapint said:
grumbledoak said:
Afghanistan, 1970s
http://www.barnorama.com/afghanistan-1970s/
You find much the same story in Iran.
Doing quite nicely thanks, then proxy war.
Doing quite nicely thanks, then along comes medieval hard line Islamic extremism again to take it all away - you mean.http://www.barnorama.com/afghanistan-1970s/
You find much the same story in Iran.
Doing quite nicely thanks, then proxy war.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qa...
Cobnapint said:
Doing quite nicely thanks, then along comes medieval hard line Islamic extremism again to take it all away - you mean.
The CIA armed the Mujahideen. The wreck that war made of Afghanistan gave birth to the Taliban. The CIA trained Osama bin Laden and created Al Qaeda who struck back on September 11 2001.See any parallels yet? Your clues are: Libya and ISIS and Manchester.
Cobnapint said:
grumbledoak said:
Afghanistan, 1970s
http://www.barnorama.com/afghanistan-1970s/
You find much the same story in Iran.
Doing quite nicely thanks, then proxy war.
Doing quite nicely thanks, then along comes medieval hard line Islamic extremism again to take it all away - you mean.http://www.barnorama.com/afghanistan-1970s/
You find much the same story in Iran.
Doing quite nicely thanks, then proxy war.
It could be argued that the biggest issue in Afghanistan now is the completely corrupt society fuelled by, you guessed it, US cash injection. And a burgeoning opium trade. Both sources of income have been hived off into the pockets of tribal warlords.
Countdown said:
Jazzy Jag said:
Remember that the 2 bafoons who drove a jeep into the Scottish airport terminal were also upstanding members of the medical profession.
So that makes it acceptable? Or even understandable?
s doing the bombing rather than posters on here!!PurpleAki said:
Countdown said:
Jazzy Jag said:
Remember that the 2 bafoons who drove a jeep into the Scottish airport terminal were also upstanding members of the medical profession.
So that makes it acceptable? Or even understandable?s doing the bombing rather than posters on here!!bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Jazzy Jag said:
But I'm guessing you don't have a problem with our soldiers being spat on and screamed at in Luton a few years back?
22 people died, many still critically ill and understandably emotions are high.
But you can only focus on one bloke who was an the receiving end of nasty words.
Remember that the 2 bafoons who drove a jeep into the Scottish airport terminal were also upstanding members of the medical profession.
Anyone in their right mind would want to see anyone being dealt with by the law if they spit and scream at people, I don't care if they're white, brown, Christian, Muslim, or any other colour or denomination.22 people died, many still critically ill and understandably emotions are high.
But you can only focus on one bloke who was an the receiving end of nasty words.
Remember that the 2 bafoons who drove a jeep into the Scottish airport terminal were also upstanding members of the medical profession.
22 people died and emotions are high, of course they are.
But does that somehow excuse it or make it OK?
Problem is the Muslims in the Middle East don't know how to govern themselves. Look at the situation of Pakistan - massively failed state (I'll put that as ME). As India prospers in the region and becoming an economic super power, Pakistan doesn't even have any real government infrastructure and is breeding ground for the snack bars.
Honestly, the whole Middle East is as backwards as you can get - they need hand holding otherwise they would be in an even bigger mess of secetarian violence than they are now.
Indians are coming over to Silicon Valley and the like and revolutionising the IT world, whereas on the other hand you have snack bars blowing themselves up.
It is ironic in a way that the Muslims have historically been hell bent on global domination (for example, they tried to take India but the very small number of courageous Sikhs kicked their asses) but now despite having the population numbers are being controlled by smaller numberof westerners who have used money and intellect to achieve what they have.
Honestly, the whole Middle East is as backwards as you can get - they need hand holding otherwise they would be in an even bigger mess of secetarian violence than they are now.
Indians are coming over to Silicon Valley and the like and revolutionising the IT world, whereas on the other hand you have snack bars blowing themselves up.
It is ironic in a way that the Muslims have historically been hell bent on global domination (for example, they tried to take India but the very small number of courageous Sikhs kicked their asses) but now despite having the population numbers are being controlled by smaller numberof westerners who have used money and intellect to achieve what they have.
ferrisbueller said:
No.
It could be argued that the biggest issue in Afghanistan now is the completely corrupt society fuelled by, you guessed it, US cash injection. And a burgeoning opium trade. Both sources of income have been hived off into the pockets of tribal warlords.
So it's the fault of the US for sticking the cash in an attempt to bring a bit of civility to the place, educate, rebuild and get Afghanistan back on its feet - not the hyper corrupt Hamid Karzai, his officials and local Afghan elders for stealing it and letting the country rot in front of their eyes.It could be argued that the biggest issue in Afghanistan now is the completely corrupt society fuelled by, you guessed it, US cash injection. And a burgeoning opium trade. Both sources of income have been hived off into the pockets of tribal warlords.
Countdown said:
As has been repeated across several threads - we really need to keep our noses out as the Law of Unintended Consequences tends to come back and bite us in the arse.
It does tend to bite us on the arse, yes. But the Law of Forgone Conclusions means doing nothing would lead to the development of a country sized terrorist ruled cesspit. A little more than a bite on the arse.BigLion said:
It is ironic in a way that the Muslims have historically been hell bent on global domination (for example, they tried to take India but the very small number of courageous Sikhs kicked their asses) but now despite having the population numbers are being controlled by smaller numberof westerners who have used money and intellect to achieve what they have.
Interesting how you talk about muslims but when somebody talks about Sikhs in the same fashion you get all upset...... Anyway your knowledge of history is about as accurate as your knolwedge of Khalistan. Pakistan never tried to take India. The first two Indo-Pak wars were in relation to Kashmir and the last one in relation to Bangladesh. Massive stupidity from the Pakistani government, it will take likely take decades for a decent system of governance and democracy to embed itself.
Cobnapint said:
It does tend to bite us on the arse, yes. But the Law of Forgone Conclusions means doing nothing would lead to the development of a country sized terrorist ruled cesspit. A little more than a bite on the arse.
It was "doing something" that turned Afghanistan into what it is now. have you not read anybody else's posts or links? To give you another example - do you remember Typhoons bombing Libya? And do you know where Abedi came from?
Countdown said:
PurpleAki said:
Countdown said:
Jazzy Jag said:
Remember that the 2 bafoons who drove a jeep into the Scottish airport terminal were also upstanding members of the medical profession.
So that makes it acceptable? Or even understandable?s doing the bombing rather than posters on here!!Reports of another explosion in Manchester in the past hour.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/28/ar...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/28/ar...
Yipper said:
Reports of another explosion in Manchester in the past hour.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/28/ar...
I bloody hope not. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/28/ar...
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