Explosions reported in Manchester?

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Countdown said:

98elise said:

I thought it was fairly well known that humans are tribal, be that race, religion, country, social circle, football team etc.

In general people prefer to mix marry etc with similar people. If they didn't then we would not have areas of the country people cluster by a common bond.

Not all people are tribal though, otherwise there would be much tighter grouping.

There is nothing wrong with that as long as it's not an active dislike or hatred of anyone different from your own tribe,

If someone Jewish said they would prefer their family to marry someone of the same faith, then I would not find that offensive. It would be different if they said they hated non Jewish people.

Interesting post.

Would you agree that "tribal tendencies" are less apparent once a "tribe"/ group of people/ society becomes more educated/wealthier/more advanced?

No, just take a look at Scotland with the SNP riding high, although one could argue that their education standards have slipped over the last few years.
The two bombers of Glasgow airport were a doctor and a student who was training to be an architect, education or wealth appears irrelevant when faced with belief.

[anonymous-user]

amusingduck said:

DoubleTime said:

The middle east? You do realise that the UAE is now one of the most innovative countries in the world, don't you?

Flogging is a punishment for criminal offences such as adultery, premarital sex and alcohol consumption.[5][6] Due to Sharia courts, flogging is legal with sentences ranging from 80 to 200 lashes.[5][7][8] Verbal abuse pertaining to a person's sexual honour is illegal and punishable by 80 lashes.

Apostasy is a crime punishable by death in the UAE.[58][59]

Emirati women must receive permission from male guardian to marry and remarry.[63] The requirement is derived from Sharia, and has been federal law since 2005.[63] In all emirates, it is illegal for Muslim women to marry non-Muslims.[64]

Homosexuality is illegal and a capital offense in the UAE.[65][66] An Emirati man accused of a "gay handshake" was put on trial in 2014.[66]

Kissing in some public places is illegal and could result in deportation. [67]

Since 2011, the UAE government has increasingly carried out forced disappearances.[96][1][2][97][98][99] Many foreign nationals and Emirati citizens have been arrested and abducted by the state, the UAE government denies these people are being held (to conceal their whereabouts), placing these people outside the protection of the law.[94][1][100] According to Human Rights Watch, the reports of forced disappearance and torture in the UAE are of grave concern.[2]

There's much more, too.

How innovative do they need to be to overlook their abysmal human rights record?

It's a little pointless simply copying one specific part of a longer post in order to make a point and subsequently to try and form a retort but I'll humor you.

Laws in place as you have so succinctly copied and pasted do not denote and necessarily reflect the overall opinion of the majority of the population. That would imply a democratic ethos of the nation with which the majority of the middle east does not abide. This is one of the fundamental problems between the western mentality being applied to the middle eastern. yes, some forms of punishment and practices can appear "outdated" or "backwards" to us and I agree they can.

There are some nations which are more progressive than others. THE WORLD OVER.

How much did the Great British empire care for human rights way back when? Was it really THAT long ago in the grand scheme? Was it fk.

[Jazzy Jag]

Sorry for the wail link but it appears that he was a multi talented young man.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4547260/Ma...

[BlackLabel]

British intelligence agency MI5 was reportedly warned by its US counterpart that Salman Abedi was planning an attack on UK soil, three months before he blew himself up outside an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester. FBI agents are said to have informed British officials that the 22-year-old was part of a North African Islamic State cell based in the north west of England that was plotting an attack in the UK. Abedi was reportedly placed on a US terrorist watch list in 2016 after he came to the attention of intelligence agencies during an investigation into terrorist groups operating in Libya.

[PurpleAki]

Jazzy Jag said:

Sorry for the wail link

Why do people say this? Its pathetic.

[Jazzy Jag]

PurpleAki said:

Why do people say this? Its pathetic.

Seriously?
That's the bit that stood out to you?

[BlackLabel]

So far we have multiple (5?) calls to the anti terror hotline, the bombers father a known member of a Libyan jihadi group, multiple trips back and forth to Libya and returned from the last one only days before blowing himself up, member of a mosque which preached hatred against Jews, the West etc and now a warning from the FBI only months before the attack. I know they must be overstretched however it's not looking great for the security agencies at the moment.

[BigLion]

ferrisbueller said:

BigLion said:

Islam is holding people and society back in the dark ages.

The quicker we can stop this religion spreading / practicing publically the better.

To be clear then, you're saying Islam should be outlawed?

You just want to get into an argument around the legal technicalities of how something like that could work, to then ridicule the idea through ridiculous examples, before telling your mum how you won an argument on the Internet?

But if I could using subjective means I would and I would do so on the things that annoy me - no burkas, no more mosques, no preachers allowed in the city centre, no stupid men dresses with shoes, no sharia law, no discussion of Islam at schools - I would also stop all immigration and marriages from the ME into the UK etc.

Alas we live in a democracy and legal technicalities, coupled with hand wringing liberals would make that an impossibility (for now).

I fundamentally see no positive in Islam (or the close cultural customs) in any way, shape or form - so why would I want to retain it?

[Countdown]

BigLion said:

I fundamentally see no positive in Islam (or the close cultural customs) in any way, shape or form - so why would I want to retain it?

Could you not argue the same about sikihism (or indeed any religion)?

[Halb]

Countdown said:

Interesting post.

Would you agree that "tribal tendencies" are less apparent once a "tribe"/ group of people/ society becomes more educated/wealthier/more advanced?

Humans are tribal, it's a learned/memtic condition. Children learn it from their family early social years. Whatever they see at the earliest age is the norm
Something should be done about taking religion out of the classroom at least.

[ferrisbueller]

BigLion said:

ferrisbueller said:

BigLion said:

Islam is holding people and society back in the dark ages.

The quicker we can stop this religion spreading / practicing publically the better.

To be clear then, you're saying Islam should be outlawed?

You just want to get into an argument around the legal technicalities of how something like that could work, to then ridicule the idea through ridiculous examples, before telling your mum how you won an argument on the Internet?

But if I could using subjective means I would and I would do so on the things that annoy me - no burkas, no more mosques, no preachers allowed in the city centre, no stupid men dresses with shoes, no sharia law, no discussion of Islam at schools - I would also stop all immigration and marriages from the ME into the UK etc.

Alas we live in a democracy and legal technicalities, coupled with hand wringing liberals would make that an impossibility (for now).

I fundamentally see no positive in Islam (or the close cultural customs) in any way, shape or form - so why would I want to retain it?

What a bizarre response. "Yes" would have covered it.

I have no knowledge of the legal technicalities, I was just wondering whether you had a beef with one particular sect or the whole faith. You're going for a blanket ban.

The practicalities of telling 1.4 bn their faith is no longer allowed would be interesting.

[Einion Yrth]

ferrisbueller said:

The practicalities of telling 1.4 bn their faith is no longer allowed would be interesting.

While I don't agree with him, 'cause I don't think it's as simple as that, I think he was only talking about outlawing Islam in Britain, so rather less than 1.4 billion (unless we have a really serious overpopulation problem that I somehow hadn't noticed.)

[anonymous-user]

Jazzy Jag said:

PurpleAki said:

Why do people say this? Its pathetic.

Seriously?
That's the bit that stood out to you?

I may be completely wrong here but I took it mean this

Why do people feel the need to apologise all the time for linking to a daily mail article
the poster feels it unnecessary and surplus to requirements to apologise for the link and by apologising it immediately reduces the viability of said link

But I may be wrong

[skyrover]

Countdown said:

BigLion said:

I fundamentally see no positive in Islam (or the close cultural customs) in any way, shape or form - so why would I want to retain it?

Could you not argue the same about sikihism (or indeed any religion)?

No... because not all religions are the same.

[anonymous-user]

BlackLabel said:

British intelligence agency MI5 was reportedly warned by its US counterpart that Salman Abedi was planning an attack on UK soil, three months before he blew himself up outside an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester. FBI agents are said to have informed British officials that the 22-year-old was part of a North African Islamic State cell based in the north west of England that was plotting an attack in the UK. Abedi was reportedly placed on a US terrorist watch list in 2016 after he came to the attention of intelligence agencies during an investigation into terrorist groups operating in Libya.

If this is true I believe it will be pretty devastating for the dead and injured families.

[Pcgonemad]

BigLion said:

You just want to get into an argument around the legal technicalities of how something like that could work, to then ridicule the idea through ridiculous examples, before telling your mum how you won an argument on the Internet?

But if I could using subjective means I would and I would do so on the things that annoy me - no burkas, no more mosques, no preachers allowed in the city centre, no stupid men dresses with shoes, no sharia law, no discussion of Islam at schools - I would also stop all immigration and marriages from the ME into the UK etc.

Alas we live in a democracy and legal technicalities, coupled with hand wringing liberals would make that an impossibility (for now).

I fundamentally see no positive in Islam (or the close cultural customs) in any way, shape or form - so why would I want to retain it?

I agree 100% with this, we should also make them wear yellow stars, and take their houses from them to give to hard working BRITISH families.

[BigLion]

Countdown said:

BigLion said:

I fundamentally see no positive in Islam (or the close cultural customs) in any way, shape or form - so why would I want to retain it?

Could you not argue the same about sikihism (or indeed any religion)?

When Sikhs start to blow kids up in a systematic way then I'd ban that too.

[Halb]

skyrover said:

Well there is Israel... oh and Persia was pretty successful until Islam came along.

It was doing well until the CIA and the UK security forces came along as well

[Alpinestars]

BigLion said:

You just want to get into an argument around the legal technicalities of how something like that could work, to then ridicule the idea through ridiculous examples, before telling your mum how you won an argument on the Internet?

But if I could using subjective means I would and I would do so on the things that annoy me - no burkas, no more mosques, no preachers allowed in the city centre, no stupid men dresses with shoes, no sharia law, no discussion of Islam at schools - I would also stop all immigration and marriages from the ME into the UK etc.

Alas we live in a democracy and legal technicalities, coupled with hand wringing liberals would make that an impossibility (for now).

I fundamentally see no positive in Islam (or the close cultural customs) in any way, shape or form - so why would I want to retain it?

I would stop all immigrants coming over to the UK and stop faith marriages. I'd insist on anyone who believes in a God of any kind to only be able to marry someone who doesn't believe in a God so that over time all religion is diluted/eliminated. Would you go with me on that one?

[Halb]

Spent a fair bit of time in town today. People of all creeds there, and it was a great atmosphere, a lot of polite and helpful people. I did feel the air of compatriotship/denizenship, whatever you wanna call it. It was nice to see many different colours just wandering about and having fun.