Explosions reported in Manchester?

[Tryke3]

Nah, no political affiliation

[GPSHead]

chow pan toon said:

Does anyone else get sick of the SJW snowflakes throwing around the racism card?

Why, I don't think I've ever seen that happen. Are you suggesting that SJWs tediously try to derail pretty much every discussion by falsely accusing their opponents of hating anyone who's not white? I've never heard of such a practice! Why would anyone feel the need to do that if they had proper arguments to make? And wouldn't they have to be pretty desperate to keep doing it even after it had become so overused that no-one with a brain took it remotely seriously anymore?

Have you noticed that SJWs have started saying "snowflake" back now? It's like an adult telling a small child "You've upset Josie by pinching her", and then the small child, unable to think of a proper retort, simply accusing the adult of the exact same thing in a silly voice, even though it makes no sense because it's not true when said to the adult. It's even sillier when they say "triggered" and "safe space" back, bearing in mind that they came up with those terms in relation to themselves! They're getting crazier and crazier as reality gatecrashes their fantasy world more and more, and I think many of them have genuinely had mental breakdowns since the 2016 votes (there is no shortage of examples of this on Youtube).

Mind you, SJW accusations are so soporifically predictable that reading them is good for getting back to sleep after having been woken up by a storm. (Incidentally, I gather storms are likely to be banned soon, for being too powerful and masculine, and of course the lightning is white, and is more likely to strike mosques than surrounding buildings...)

[PurpleAki]

Tryke3 said:

Nah, no political affiliation

[ferrisbueller]

So we're all advocating tax increases across the piece to better fund policing and security.

Now there's a policy I could vote for.

[rscott]

anonymous said:

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Christians are also taught to submit themselves to God - it's an instruction in several parts of the Old Testament.

[turbobloke]

ferrisbueller said:

So we're all advocating tax increases across the piece to better fund policing and security.

Now there's a policy I could vote for.

Scrap the pointless unilateral straitjacket of the astronomically expensive Climate Change Act and you'll have over £400bn to play with going forward. Given that this was a Labour costing designed to minimise perceived economic impact, we could double it and with a dash of inflation it's not far off £1tn. That's something I'd vote for.

[gooner1]

turbobloke said:

ferrisbueller said:

So we're all advocating tax increases across the piece to better fund policing and security.

Now there's a policy I could vote for.

Scrap the pointless unilateral straitjacket of the astronomically expensive Climate Change Act and you'll have over £400bn to play with going forward. Given that this was a Labour costing designed to minimise perceived economic impact, we could double it and with a dash of inflation it's not far off £1tn. That's something I'd vote for.

We can pour however many Billions of £'s we like into policing and security but if the information we already have, allegedley, isn't acted on it's wasted money.
Part of me is begining to wonder if the leaking of information by the NY Times, was because we hadn't acted on American Intel.

[del mar]

anonymous said:

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I am never sure of the value of quoting the Old Testament, yes the earth was a violent place with a vengeful God, but this was followed by the .... New Testament which was about peace and love, curing the sick raising people from the dead and suggesting we should be nice to each other.

The Koran is the other way round, he started being all nice but the second half of the book is more violent as people were forced to hear the message.

[del mar]

ferrisbueller said:

So we're all advocating tax increases across the piece to better fund policing and security.

Now there's a policy I could vote for.

I pay a fortune in tax - I am not offering to pay anymore to deal with an essentially imported problem.

Increased surveillance will only be targeted at the poor persecuted muslim community, which will cause further distrust by them.

[del mar]

Saudi funded mosques.

The lady on tv last week was blaming these for all of islams problems.

If most UK muslims don't like the Saudi style, why do they go to their mosques ?

Surely all Saudi funded mosques would be empty / only visited by the "very small minority" who follow their approach. It should be very easy for the police to visit these mosques and arrest both people who are in them ?

[BlackLabel]

del mar said:

Saudi funded mosques.

The lady on tv last week was blaming these for all of islams problems.

If most UK muslims don't like the Saudi style, why do they go to their mosques ?

Surely all Saudi funded mosques would be empty / only visited by the "very small minority" who follow their approach. It should be very easy for the police to visit these mosques and arrest both people who are in them ?

The police do visit these mosques - in fact they send their most senior officers, generally to drink tea and eat biscuits.

article said:

In 2007, Dr Denis MacEoin, an Islamic studies expert at Newcastle who previously taught at the University of Fez, led a team of researchers over a two-year project, uncovering a hoard of malignant literature inside as many as a quarter of Britain’s mosques. All of it had been published and distributed by agencies linked to the government of Saudi Arabia.

among some of the content found in the material were recommendations to burn, stone, and throw homosexuals from mountains or tall buildings, and inflict the same on those who commit adultery or dare to leave or change their religion.

Almost half of the literature, which was openly available in many mosques including the East London Mosque in Whitechapel which had been visited by Prince Charles, was written in English, suggesting that its target audience was that of young British Muslims who would have no formal training in Arabic or Urdu.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/16825640

[Deptford Draylons]

ferrisbueller said:

So we're all advocating tax increases across the piece to better fund policing and security.

Now there's a policy I could vote for.

I doubt it would make any difference. The common theme in all these cases being the perp was known about and had come to the attention of the authorities.
The question is more a civil liberties one of what you can do for people who you suspect are radicalised and just waiting to to get into a car or take their kitchen knife out with them and kill. The main problem being if they weren't nearly all British, you'd probably kick them out the country, but even doing that has been made near impossible.

I think someone said it takes around 60 Police officers to keep 24/7 surveillance on one suspect. Given we are talking 20k or so people who come to the attention of the authorities and 3k who seem to be immediately of long term interest, that's a massive operation and cost.

[Pothole]

Countdown said:

BigLion said:

Countdown said:

BigLion said:

I fundamentally see no positive in Islam (or the close cultural customs) in any way, shape or form - so why would I want to retain it?

Could you not argue the same about sikihism (or indeed any religion)?

When Sikhs start to blow kids up in a systematic way then I'd ban that too.

No, my question was about what positives you saw in Sikhism that you thought society really needed.

From sikhs.org

There is only One God. He is the same God for all people of all religions.

The soul goes through cycles of births and deaths before it reaches the human form. The goal of our life is to lead an exemplary existence so that one may merge with God. Sikhs should remember God at all times and practice living a virtuous and truthful life while maintaining a balance between their spiritual obligations and temporal obligations.

The true path to achieving salvation and merging with God does not require renunciation of the world or celibacy, but living the life of a householder, earning a honest living and avoiding worldly temptations and sins.

Sikhism condemns blind rituals such as fasting, visiting places of pilgrimage, superstitions, worship of the dead, idol worship etc.

Sikhism preaches that people of different races, religions, or sex are all equal in the eyes of God. It teaches the full equality of men and women. Women can participate in any religious function or perform any Sikh ceremony or lead the congregation in prayer.

Seems pretty good to me.

[Tryke3]

There is no way to stop terrorism, you can throw trillions at it and it will still achieve 0, sad fact of life is that by conquering the world we have to pay a price now, still small change to the 35million we have killed in the last 100 years
In a way we well deserve it and a lot more, from India to Africa we have chosen self interest and pound coins over life

[turbobloke]

Tryke3 said:

There is no way to stop terrorism, you can throw trillions at it and it will still achieve 0, sad fact of life is that by conquering the world we have to pay a price now, still small change to the 35million we have killed in the last 100 years
In a way we well deserve it and a lot more, from India to Africa we have chosen self interest and pound coins over life

No, we don't deserve it, even from that superficial and misleading analysis.

[PurpleAki]

Tryke3 said:

There is no way to stop terrorism, you can throw trillions at it and it will still achieve 0, sad fact of life is that by conquering the world we have to pay a price now, still small change to the 35million we have killed in the last 100 years
In a way we well deserve it and a lot more, from India to Africa we have chosen self interest and pound coins over life

And you'll still preach that if someone you love gets blown to pieces will you?

[franki68]

Tryke3 said:

There is no way to stop terrorism, you can throw trillions at it and it will still achieve 0, sad fact of life is that by conquering the world we have to pay a price now, still small change to the 35million we have killed in the last 100 years
In a way we well deserve it and a lot more, from India to Africa we have chosen self interest and pound coins over life

yes all those kids were responsible for britains historical foreign policy.

[Alpinestars]

PurpleAki said:

Tryke3 said:

There is no way to stop terrorism, you can throw trillions at it and it will still achieve 0, sad fact of life is that by conquering the world we have to pay a price now, still small change to the 35million we have killed in the last 100 years
In a way we well deserve it and a lot more, from India to Africa we have chosen self interest and pound coins over life

And you'll still preach that if someone you love gets blown to pieces will you?

Isn't that point? Everyone innocent person who gets killed has someone left to mourn them and despise the killers. So you're right.

Innocent victims on both sides.

Edited by Alpinestars on Monday 29th May 11:38

[Jonmx]

Tryke3 said:

There is no way to stop terrorism, you can throw trillions at it and it will still achieve 0, sad fact of life is that by conquering the world we have to pay a price now, still small change to the 35million we have killed in the last 100 years
In a way we well deserve it and a lot more, from India to Africa we have chosen self interest and pound coins over life

Exactly. I'm off to Italy to plant a couple of bombs in retaliation for the Roman empire, then maybe off to Scandinavia to murder some children in revenge for the actions of the Vikings. Seriously, what are you smoking. Could you in all seriousness go up to the parents of the 8 year old girl who was killed at the concert and say that she deserved it because of our historical actions? I'm normally polite on PH and don't resort to the oft seen NP&E aggressive insults, but you need to pull your head out of your arse and stop talking st. Perhaps go to the former British colonies to see how they're doing, and then visit some of the former French colonies to compare.
I do however agree with you that there is no way to stop terrorism. Much like colonisation, it is something that has gone on as long as man has been around though it has evolved in it's nature.

[Alpinestars]

Jonmx said:

Tryke3 said:

There is no way to stop terrorism, you can throw trillions at it and it will still achieve 0, sad fact of life is that by conquering the world we have to pay a price now, still small change to the 35million we have killed in the last 100 years
In a way we well deserve it and a lot more, from India to Africa we have chosen self interest and pound coins over life

Exactly. I'm off to Italy to plant a couple of bombs in retaliation for the Roman empire, then maybe off to Scandinavia to murder some children in revenge for the actions of the Vikings. Seriously, what are you smoking. Could you in all seriousness go up to the parents of the 8 year old girl who was killed at the concert and say that she deserved it because of our historical actions? I'm normally polite on PH and don't resort to the oft seen NP&E aggressive insults, but you need to pull your head out of your arse and stop talking st. Perhaps go to the former British colonies to see how they're doing, and then visit some of the former French colonies to compare.
I do however agree with you that there is no way to stop terrorism. Much like colonisation, it is something that has gone on as long as man has been around though it has evolved in it's nature.

I can't see anyone saying they deserved it. That's barbaric and ridiculous. People are trying to give reasons for why some barbaric might want to do this. It's a reason, not an excuse.

An innocent girl killed in Manchester is no different to an innocent girl killed in XYZ foreign land. It leaves the same bitter feelings and the same emotion.