Teenage Audi mechanic committed suicide after bullying
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xjay1337 said:
The Above Article said:
He told the coroner that when George's parents had approached him to talk about the abuse, George had been sitting in a corner of the room with his head down and had later told him he did not wish to make a formal complaint.
Based on this, Mr Kindeleit said he had concluded George was making it up and said he would not have been surprised if the story was completely fabricated by the "troubled individual".
However, Mr Kindeleit did not deny he witnessed George being locked in a cage and set on fire and had reacted by laughing and walking away, but he could not recall telling George's parents about this at the meeting.
Terry - you're a complete fBased on this, Mr Kindeleit said he had concluded George was making it up and said he would not have been surprised if the story was completely fabricated by the "troubled individual".
However, Mr Kindeleit did not deny he witnessed George being locked in a cage and set on fire and had reacted by laughing and walking away, but he could not recall telling George's parents about this at the meeting.
king wker. Article with more details said:
Mr Wright admitted setting fire to George's trousers but said their work uniforms were made of non-flammable material, which was why he needed to douse them in flammable liquid.
Referring to the months of alleged abuse, George's line manager, Simon Wright, said his actions - which included setting fire to his trousers, giving him the "dead leg" and taking him for a test drive to force him to walk back - said it had all been "horseplay" and "banter".
He added that when George returned from the test drive, where he had been dropped off half a mile away, he had smile on his face and he did not know it had affected his colleague in any way.
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/reading-berkshire-news/mechanic-george-cheese-locked-cage-13086388Referring to the months of alleged abuse, George's line manager, Simon Wright, said his actions - which included setting fire to his trousers, giving him the "dead leg" and taking him for a test drive to force him to walk back - said it had all been "horseplay" and "banter".
He added that when George returned from the test drive, where he had been dropped off half a mile away, he had smile on his face and he did not know it had affected his colleague in any way.
Jazzy Jag said:
I started my apprenticeship in1981aged 16.
I was already wise to the "long weight" stripes paint, left handed screw driver pranks as I had a father who had worked in the industry.
While bending over to fit some points in a Cortina I suddenly felt a bulging in my trousers, accompanied by the distant sound of the air grease gun hammering away.
Sadly the bulge was caused by the end of the grease gun being held in my pocket by a colleague.
I avoided the hanging from the engine crane but did have to climb into a boot to look for a water leak. Having identified the leak my mate decided that a roadtest was called for. ??
I had my open tin of coke replaced with EP90.
A favorite was screwing a plastic vending machine cup to the foremans desk then pouring his tea in the cup.
Retire to a safe distance and wait for him to try to lift the cup.
No-one was ever physically hurt or set fire to though and the mentality back then was more one of piss taking whereas today it would be called bullying.
They were different times I guess.
People who have never dirtied their nails won't get it...I was already wise to the "long weight" stripes paint, left handed screw driver pranks as I had a father who had worked in the industry.
While bending over to fit some points in a Cortina I suddenly felt a bulging in my trousers, accompanied by the distant sound of the air grease gun hammering away.
Sadly the bulge was caused by the end of the grease gun being held in my pocket by a colleague.
I avoided the hanging from the engine crane but did have to climb into a boot to look for a water leak. Having identified the leak my mate decided that a roadtest was called for. ??
I had my open tin of coke replaced with EP90.
A favorite was screwing a plastic vending machine cup to the foremans desk then pouring his tea in the cup.
Retire to a safe distance and wait for him to try to lift the cup.
No-one was ever physically hurt or set fire to though and the mentality back then was more one of piss taking whereas today it would be called bullying.
They were different times I guess.
WinstonWolf said:
Jazzy Jag said:
I started my apprenticeship in1981aged 16.
I was already wise to the "long weight" stripes paint, left handed screw driver pranks as I had a father who had worked in the industry.
While bending over to fit some points in a Cortina I suddenly felt a bulging in my trousers, accompanied by the distant sound of the air grease gun hammering away.
Sadly the bulge was caused by the end of the grease gun being held in my pocket by a colleague.
I avoided the hanging from the engine crane but did have to climb into a boot to look for a water leak. Having identified the leak my mate decided that a roadtest was called for. ??
I had my open tin of coke replaced with EP90.
A favorite was screwing a plastic vending machine cup to the foremans desk then pouring his tea in the cup.
Retire to a safe distance and wait for him to try to lift the cup.
No-one was ever physically hurt or set fire to though and the mentality back then was more one of piss taking whereas today it would be called bullying.
They were different times I guess.
People who have never dirtied their nails won't get it...I was already wise to the "long weight" stripes paint, left handed screw driver pranks as I had a father who had worked in the industry.
While bending over to fit some points in a Cortina I suddenly felt a bulging in my trousers, accompanied by the distant sound of the air grease gun hammering away.
Sadly the bulge was caused by the end of the grease gun being held in my pocket by a colleague.
I avoided the hanging from the engine crane but did have to climb into a boot to look for a water leak. Having identified the leak my mate decided that a roadtest was called for. ??
I had my open tin of coke replaced with EP90.
A favorite was screwing a plastic vending machine cup to the foremans desk then pouring his tea in the cup.
Retire to a safe distance and wait for him to try to lift the cup.
No-one was ever physically hurt or set fire to though and the mentality back then was more one of piss taking whereas today it would be called bullying.
They were different times I guess.
Most people don't cross the line and all is fine.
When it comes to a vulnerable person most people have the sense to not approach anywhere near the line.
People with nails of varying levels of cleanliness levels all understand this.
hyphen said:
WinstonWolf said:
Jazzy Jag said:
I started my apprenticeship in1981aged 16.
I was already wise to the "long weight" stripes paint, left handed screw driver pranks as I had a father who had worked in the industry.
While bending over to fit some points in a Cortina I suddenly felt a bulging in my trousers, accompanied by the distant sound of the air grease gun hammering away.
Sadly the bulge was caused by the end of the grease gun being held in my pocket by a colleague.
I avoided the hanging from the engine crane but did have to climb into a boot to look for a water leak. Having identified the leak my mate decided that a roadtest was called for. ??
I had my open tin of coke replaced with EP90.
A favorite was screwing a plastic vending machine cup to the foremans desk then pouring his tea in the cup.
Retire to a safe distance and wait for him to try to lift the cup.
No-one was ever physically hurt or set fire to though and the mentality back then was more one of piss taking whereas today it would be called bullying.
They were different times I guess.
People who have never dirtied their nails won't get it...I was already wise to the "long weight" stripes paint, left handed screw driver pranks as I had a father who had worked in the industry.
While bending over to fit some points in a Cortina I suddenly felt a bulging in my trousers, accompanied by the distant sound of the air grease gun hammering away.
Sadly the bulge was caused by the end of the grease gun being held in my pocket by a colleague.
I avoided the hanging from the engine crane but did have to climb into a boot to look for a water leak. Having identified the leak my mate decided that a roadtest was called for. ??
I had my open tin of coke replaced with EP90.
A favorite was screwing a plastic vending machine cup to the foremans desk then pouring his tea in the cup.
Retire to a safe distance and wait for him to try to lift the cup.
No-one was ever physically hurt or set fire to though and the mentality back then was more one of piss taking whereas today it would be called bullying.
They were different times I guess.
Most people don't cross the line and all is fine.
When it comes to a vulnerable person most people have the sense to not approach anywhere near the line.
People with nails of varying levels of cleanliness levels all understand this.
Vocal Minority said:
I suppose at the end of it all, this post has at least provided a nice illustration of why 'equality of opportunity' is a myth.
But yeah, them persuading you that being grabbed by the throat and pushed over a car bonnet is OK doesn't make it right - its just means you bought their story....sorry
I didn't "buy their story", I just didn't see the point in taking it further as it did absolutely no harm to me whatsoever. But yeah, them persuading you that being grabbed by the throat and pushed over a car bonnet is OK doesn't make it right - its just means you bought their story....sorry
I think some posters on this thread are using this thread as a reason to display their 'well, I of course am not a snowflake' credentials a bit.
Everyone keeps talking about 'in my day' and what they went through.
There is a blanket assumption by those doing it that people have a problem with 'tartan paint' or 'sky hooks' or whatever. Because you are trying to jump on the traditional PH 'social justice warrior' band wagon.
I honestly haven't seen anyone here saying banter and horseplay is unacceptable. I don't think anyone gives a st about being sent for spirit level bubbles. And honestly if you think anyone on here has a massive problem with glueing a cup of tea to the foremans desk - you have daft prejudices against 'people who have never got dirt under their nails'.
People are just saying pouring an accelerant on someone and setting light to it IS too far. Its pretty bloody obvious that is too far.
I think delivery is a big problem - I have been on the receiving end of many practical jokes. That they were done with a smile and as a bit of a piss take was clear enough, it comes across with how you are treated generally. Because ultimately they are friendly as often as they take the piss.
And I can see that those same practical jokes if done vindictively would have made me feel like garbage.
(for the avoidance of doubt, being kept in cage on set on fire with a smile doesn't count as banter!)
It sounds like this particular event was just an extension of the culprits vindictiveness.
Everyone keeps talking about 'in my day' and what they went through.
There is a blanket assumption by those doing it that people have a problem with 'tartan paint' or 'sky hooks' or whatever. Because you are trying to jump on the traditional PH 'social justice warrior' band wagon.
I honestly haven't seen anyone here saying banter and horseplay is unacceptable. I don't think anyone gives a s
t about being sent for spirit level bubbles. And honestly if you think anyone on here has a massive problem with glueing a cup of tea to the foremans desk - you have daft prejudices against 'people who have never got dirt under their nails'. People are just saying pouring an accelerant on someone and setting light to it IS too far. Its pretty bloody obvious that is too far.
I think delivery is a big problem - I have been on the receiving end of many practical jokes. That they were done with a smile and as a bit of a piss take was clear enough, it comes across with how you are treated generally. Because ultimately they are friendly as often as they take the piss.
And I can see that those same practical jokes if done vindictively would have made me feel like garbage.
(for the avoidance of doubt, being kept in cage on set on fire with a smile doesn't count as banter!)
It sounds like this particular event was just an extension of the culprits vindictiveness.
SpeedMattersNot said:
didn't "buy their story", I just didn't see the point in taking it further as it did absolutely no harm to me whatsoever.
Aside from the fact that you've decided its normal.In my work we manage to get plenty of s
t done. We have never felt the need to throttle people to do it. 
loose cannon said:
Bullying is rife in main dealership workshops
Every one I have worked in is the same
My last and final main dealer was a Renault dealer, there latest workshop manager is a total arse, he is regularly shouting his head off at the staff as my previous colleagues have told me and I have witnessed it myself whilst visiting the parts department, if your the unlucky one that gets targeted it isn't pleasant,
Hopefully they will all be made an example of
And at the very least sacked,
It's high time the garage trade moved into the 21 century
Staggering, I would have thought this sEvery one I have worked in is the same
My last and final main dealer was a Renault dealer, there latest workshop manager is a total arse, he is regularly shouting his head off at the staff as my previous colleagues have told me and I have witnessed it myself whilst visiting the parts department, if your the unlucky one that gets targeted it isn't pleasant,
Hopefully they will all be made an example of
And at the very least sacked,
It's high time the garage trade moved into the 21 century
t wouldn't happen in this day and age. These muppets should be given the arse, given a st reference, and not employed again - ever! Bullying is an insidious crime.Zetec-S said:
It comes down to the culture of the company and the type of people who work there, regardless of size.
I used to work for a fairly large organisation. Generally a very good attitude from the top down, so when it came to out and out bullying, anything more than light hearted banter would not be tolerated. Saying that, despite all the HR resource, policies, etc, if anyone did have a grievance and took it to HR a lot of the time they'd look to quietly make the issue go away, rather than address the issue head on.
That is the key, lead by example.I used to work for a fairly large organisation. Generally a very good attitude from the top down, so when it came to out and out bullying, anything more than light hearted banter would not be tolerated. Saying that, despite all the HR resource, policies, etc, if anyone did have a grievance and took it to HR a lot of the time they'd look to quietly make the issue go away, rather than address the issue head on.
The trade is full of bullies....Audi manager needs sacking because he would be in charge of his staff. Most don't give a f.... been there seen it, been involved in the trade 8 years, seriously I suggest everyone drops a line to the dealer principle.
I bet you no one gets a warning, what about the health and safety at work?
Gosh I've met some managers and this takes the prize for not caring...looking to understand your staff. 😠😠😠😠😳😳😳😩😩😩😩
I bet you no one gets a warning, what about the health and safety at work?
Gosh I've met some managers and this takes the prize for not caring...looking to understand your staff. 😠😠😠😠😳😳😳😩😩😩😩
vonuber said:
WinstonWolf said:
People who have never dirtied their nails won't get it...
Oh fk off. That's got nothing to do with it; it's just plain bullying by a bunch of s who want to exert power over others.There is no excuse for it in any workforce.
Nanook said:
WinstonWolf said:
I've been slung from cranes, it's how people were toughened up in my day. All par for the course. Apprenticeships always involved nudity, barrier cream and grease.
Whilst I wouldn't stand that sort of st, I can see how idiots may find it amusing, but it's a long way away from locking a person in a cage and setting him on fire.You got toughened up, then you toughened up the new intake. People weren't sensitive after a while on the tools.
okgo said:
WinstonWolf said:
I take it you've never worked 'on the tools'?
How is he wrong?Just because it happens with the sorts of mouthbreathers that often work 'on the tools' it doesn't make it acceptable.
d welds it shut 
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