Teenage Audi mechanic committed suicide after bullying

[Oakey]

Nanook said:

Why are you making excuses for this sort of behaviour?

Setting someone on fire, after locking them in a cage isn't 'toughening them up'

I don't see that sort of behaviour where I work, but there tends to be a bit more mutual respect than the places you must have worked.

Maybe he works at Audi Reading? Or he's covering his arse for any future court appearances?

Why he thinks it's his job to 'toughen people up' I don't know.

[WinstonWolf]

Nanook said:

WinstonWolf said:

That was fairly minor, there's plenty more where that came from.

You got toughened up, then you toughened up the new intake. People weren't sensitive after a while on the tools.

Why are you making excuses for this sort of behaviour?

Setting someone on fire, after locking them in a cage isn't 'toughening them up'

I don't see that sort of behaviour where I work, but there tends to be a bit more mutual respect than the places you must have worked.

Locking people in cages is pretty minor IMO. I've definitely had worse, it was all done in good fun. I guess it just didn't bother me that much...

[WinstonWolf]

Nanook said:

WinstonWolf said:

Locking people in cages is pretty minor IMO. I've definitely had worse, it was all done in good fun. I guess it just didn't bother me that much...

It's not so much the locking in the cage, it's when they then set him on fire, that really crosses the line.

You've had worse done than being locked up and set on fire? Do share!

Being tied stark bk naked to the fence alongside the East Coast main line covered in barrier cream? Not me but one bloke on a stag do (they used a LOT of barrier cream to protect his modesty)

I was slung on a crane and left there, you get a cracking view. The foreman used to just look at you and carry on.

The point is everyone is too sensitive now, there's a balance to be struck.

'scared' to shop in co-op because he found chicken in a cheese slice.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/brundall-vegetarian-le...

[Cold]

WW "on the tools" yesterday.

[vonuber]

WinstonWolf said:

Locking people in cages is pretty minor IMO. I've definitely had worse, it was all done in good fun. I guess it just didn't bother me that much...

Are you Steven Wright from Synter Audi, Reading?

[WinstonWolf]

Cold said:

WW "on the tools" yesterday.

Ah, I thought I saw you there...

[WinstonWolf]

Nanook said:

WinstonWolf said:

Being tied stark bk naked to the fence alongside the East Coast main line covered in barrier cream? Not me but one bloke on a stag do (they used a LOT of barrier cream to protect his modesty)

I was slung on a crane and left there, you get a cracking view. The foreman used to just look at you and carry on.

The point is everyone is too sensitive now, there's a balance to be struck.

'scared' to shop in co-op because he found chicken in a cheese slice.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/brundall-vegetarian-le...

So when you say something worse than being locked in a cage and set on fire happened to you, what you really mean is something not quite as serious happened to something else, and 'everyone' is too sensitive now, we should all be jovial about workplace torchings?

Starting to see why the foreman thought you weren't worth fetching down...

Chill Doogz, there's degrees of setting on fire. Trust me, being left hanging on a crane is far worse than a measly cage.

[Shakermaker]

Nanook said:

So when you say something worse than being locked in a cage and set on fire happened to you, what you really mean is something not quite as serious happened to something else, and 'everyone' is too sensitive now, we should all be jovial about workplace torchings?

Starting to see why the foreman thought you weren't worth fetching down...

And it happened to them on a stag do - not whilst they were at work.

[WinstonWolf]

Shakermaker said:

Nanook said:

So when you say something worse than being locked in a cage and set on fire happened to you, what you really mean is something not quite as serious happened to something else, and 'everyone' is too sensitive now, we should all be jovial about workplace torchings?

Starting to see why the foreman thought you weren't worth fetching down...

And it happened to them on a stag do - not whilst they were at work.

Nope, that happened at work to the stag... I best not mention the ceremonial ball and chain they knocked up in the foundry, had I?

[a7x88]

I was a "management" apprentice in a builders merchant/tool hire centre when I left school.

There was some very light hearted pranks, glueing things down, marker pen on phones etc but nothing approaching this level. I think you need to accept that there will be practical jokes and at one time or another you will be the butt of one. It's when it's repeated and systemic on one individual. Physical and sexual assault are just bang out of order though and categorically would not have been tolerated by anyone i worked with. I can't believe people

A) even think to do it
B) are happy to watch
C) find it funny

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can quickly read who may not cope with the odd prank; given his history was known about they seem like particularly heartless bds and deserve the book to be thrown at them.

Pissed that I've given that service department money in the past now. Scumbags

[loose cannon]

Smothering people's genitals in stuff today would be classed as sexual abuse, imagine that on your criminal record you'd have to be a complete tard to even contemplate that in this day and age, Audi need to remove there franchise imo and sack all the workshop management, including staff that may have been involved, it wouldn't go well if this happened in an office would it, so why is it still acceptable in a dangerous environment like a workshop should be made a bit of a reality check for the idiots involved oh and
Onko do you really believe all workshop staff are thick peasants you have a lot of room to talk working in the media industry

[WinstonWolf]

Nanook said:

WinstonWolf said:

Chill Doogz, there's degrees of setting on fire. Trust me, being left hanging on a crane is far worse than a measly cage.

Being left hanging from a crane is far worse than being locked in a cage and set on fire?

Do you read these things back to yourself before hitting the submit button? If not, perhaps you could give that a try? It seems all over PH today you've been making yourself look silly

I've been locked in a cage and hung from a crane, give me the cage any day of the week.

The point i'm making is it happened to hundreds of blokes, it was the norm. It would be a high flashpoint solvent, burns off real quick it just looks bad. You don't even get hot.

[WinstonWolf]

This is pretty fking ironic. I'm explaining how things are on the tools and now I'm being bullied for it

[vonuber]

WinstonWolf said:

The point i'm making is it happened to hundreds of blokes, it was the norm.

That doesn't make it right though, does it.

[Shakermaker]

WinstonWolf said:

I've been locked in a cage and hung from a crane, give me the cage any day of the week.

The point i'm making is it happened to hundreds of blokes, it was the norm. It would be a high flashpoint solvent, burns off real quick it just looks bad. You don't even get hot.

Did you bond with these guys? would they have stopped doing it if they thought you were properly uncomfortable with what they did to you? And you know, if you didn't start bonding with them, would they just keep doing it until you did?

As clearly this was not the case with the chap who's now killed himself, because they just didn't stop, for 6 months. There's clearly "a point" which is that perhaps fuzzy line in the sand where you'd think it would be clear to all around that the person at the end of it was not ok

[KAgantua]

[quote]George Cheese, 18, was "over the moon" when he got the position at the car dealership,
[/quote]

LOL

[WinstonWolf]

vonuber said:

WinstonWolf said:

The point i'm making is it happened to hundreds of blokes, it was the norm.

That doesn't make it right though, does it.

People just shrugged it off in the spirit it was intended. If you read up on this case there were many other factors involved.

[WinstonWolf]

Nanook said:

WinstonWolf said:

This is pretty fking ironic. I'm explaining how things are on the tools and now I'm being bullied for it

You sound like you have Stockholm syndrome. You've been bullied so hard you're making excuses for those that do it. It's quite sad

Please stop it, you're hurting my feelings.

You're bullying me simply because I took the time to explain how things are.

[Pickled]

WinstonWolf said:

I've been locked in a cage and hung from a crane, give me the cage any day of the week.

The point i'm making is it happened to hundreds of blokes, it was the norm. It would be a high flashpoint solvent, burns off real quick it just looks bad. You don't even get hot.

I did a print apprenticeship mid-late 80s, all sorts of stupid st was done to the new lads, including 'setting alight' with various chemicals lying around or being shrunk-wrapped like a human cocoon and left in the car park, of course it was idiotic in hindsight but it was also part of the culture, as was spending pretty much every non-working hour down the pub on the piss with the same bunch of people; strangely some of those very same people are still my oldest and best mates.

As some have said part of being an apprentice is as much about learning how to interact in an adult world, as much as it is about learning the trade.

[Lucas CAV]

Pickled said:

WinstonWolf said:

I've been locked in a cage and hung from a crane, give me the cage any day of the week.

The point i'm making is it happened to hundreds of blokes, it was the norm. It would be a high flashpoint solvent, burns off real quick it just looks bad. You don't even get hot.

I did a print apprenticeship mid-late 80s, all sorts of stupid st was done to the new lads, including 'setting alight' with various chemicals lying around or being shrunk-wrapped like a human cocoon and left in the car park, of course it was idiotic in hindsight but it was also part of the culture, as was spending pretty much every non-working hour down the pub on the piss with the same bunch of people; strangely some of those very same people are still my oldest and best mates.

As some have said part of being an apprentice is as much about learning how to interact in an adult world, as much as it is about learning the trade.

Why does this bellendery not happen in more "professional" industries if it's some essential part of "manhood"?