Teenage Audi mechanic committed suicide after bullying
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SpeedMattersNot said:
few years ago, the parts department were throwing out lots of useful stuff into a skip. A lot of nuts and bolts, washers and fasteners were invaluable to a technicians toolkit to get themselves or others out of the s
t (door trim clips anyone?).
Some of the techs tried to rummage around in there and got shouted at by the parts manager. At break time, the parts manager came walking through the workshop and I said "quick, hide those nuts and bolts!". As everyone chuckled he walked over, grabbed me by the throat and pushed me over a car bonnet. It wasn't anything out of the ordinary to be honest, he'd done that type of thing before and all I got was a letter of apology from him at the managers request. I stuck it above my toolbox and we all laughed about it later.
I think a lot of non-trade types here think that Susan taking the last biscuit is bad day at work
Sorry mate, but what happened to you is not part of the banter you should expect working in that type of trade. t (door trim clips anyone?). Some of the techs tried to rummage around in there and got shouted at by the parts manager. At break time, the parts manager came walking through the workshop and I said "quick, hide those nuts and bolts!". As everyone chuckled he walked over, grabbed me by the throat and pushed me over a car bonnet. It wasn't anything out of the ordinary to be honest, he'd done that type of thing before and all I got was a letter of apology from him at the managers request. I stuck it above my toolbox and we all laughed about it later.
I think a lot of non-trade types here think that Susan taking the last biscuit is bad day at work
Countdown said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
I think a lot of non-trade types here think that Susan taking the last biscuit is bad day at work
You get the treatment that you're prepared to tolerate.
It was evident from Day 1 for me as an apprentice, that I had to sharpen up quick if I was to survive. Even at the training centre this type of behaviour from the staff and other students was very common (the lad who I picked on, was also picked on by the college staff, as were others and myself at times too). I didn't like it and is one of the reasons I got out of it.
Being a teaching assistant was a very good job (poor pay, though!) and it was nice being surrounded by so many well educated people, but it wasn't a surprise that most couldn't manage the naughty boys. I found it quite easy to get them on-board and was assigned different naughty lads at different stages.
I guess the ones who typically end up working in a finance office, came from good households on a nice part of the estate, went to a good school, did well and went to Uni then got a good job. Most people I worked with in workshops were from council estates, little to no education and were very rough.
Bullying is rife in main dealership workshops
Every one I have worked in is the same
My last and final main dealer was a Renault dealer, there latest workshop manager is a total arse, he is regularly shouting his head off at the staff as my previous colleagues have told me and I have witnessed it myself whilst visiting the parts department, if your the unlucky one that gets targeted it isn't pleasant,
Hopefully they will all be made an example of
And at the very least sacked,
It's high time the garage trade moved into the 21 century
Every one I have worked in is the same
My last and final main dealer was a Renault dealer, there latest workshop manager is a total arse, he is regularly shouting his head off at the staff as my previous colleagues have told me and I have witnessed it myself whilst visiting the parts department, if your the unlucky one that gets targeted it isn't pleasant,
Hopefully they will all be made an example of
And at the very least sacked,
It's high time the garage trade moved into the 21 century
Vaud said:
Personally I'm appalled that in a "professional" business like Sytner that has the scale to have HR, policies and a level of professional management training that this has come to pass.
Big corporates are the worst in my experience. Plenty of hiding to be done in large structures. Common decency has nothing to do with size or sophistication, not sure why anyone would assume it does.loose cannon said:
It's high time the garage trade moved into the 21 century
I worked at a college teaching motor vehicle and the students' expectations about the job are nowhere near as high as what the job requires. All of them were bottom 5% achievers in GCSEs.
Eddie Strohacker said:
Vaud said:
Personally I'm appalled that in a "professional" business like Sytner that has the scale to have HR, policies and a level of professional management training that this has come to pass.
Big corporates are the worst in my experience. Plenty of hiding to be done in large structures. Common decency has nothing to do with size or sophistication, not sure why anyone would assume it does.I used to work for a fairly large organisation. Generally a very good attitude from the top down, so when it came to out and out bullying, anything more than light hearted banter would not be tolerated. Saying that, despite all the HR resource, policies, etc, if anyone did have a grievance and took it to HR a lot of the time they'd look to quietly make the issue go away, rather than address the issue head on.
I started my apprenticeship in1981aged 16.
I was already wise to the "long weight" stripes paint, left handed screw driver pranks as I had a father who had worked in the industry.
While bending over to fit some points in a Cortina I suddenly felt a bulging in my trousers, accompanied by the distant sound of the air grease gun hammering away.
Sadly the bulge was caused by the end of the grease gun being held in my pocket by a colleague.
I avoided the hanging from the engine crane but did have to climb into a boot to look for a water leak. Having identified the leak my mate decided that a roadtest was called for. 😠
I had my open tin of coke replaced with EP90.
A favorite was screwing a plastic vending machine cup to the foremans desk then pouring his tea in the cup.
Retire to a safe distance and wait for him to try to lift the cup.
No-one was ever physically hurt or set fire to though and the mentality back then was more one of piss taking whereas today it would be called bullying.
I was already wise to the "long weight" stripes paint, left handed screw driver pranks as I had a father who had worked in the industry.
While bending over to fit some points in a Cortina I suddenly felt a bulging in my trousers, accompanied by the distant sound of the air grease gun hammering away.
Sadly the bulge was caused by the end of the grease gun being held in my pocket by a colleague.
I avoided the hanging from the engine crane but did have to climb into a boot to look for a water leak. Having identified the leak my mate decided that a roadtest was called for. 😠
I had my open tin of coke replaced with EP90.
A favorite was screwing a plastic vending machine cup to the foremans desk then pouring his tea in the cup.
Retire to a safe distance and wait for him to try to lift the cup.
No-one was ever physically hurt or set fire to though and the mentality back then was more one of piss taking whereas today it would be called bullying.
I started my apprenticeship in1981aged 16.
I was already wise to the "long weight" stripes paint, left handed screw driver pranks as I had a father who had worked in the industry.
While bending over to fit some points in a Cortina I suddenly felt a bulging in my trousers, accompanied by the distant sound of the air grease gun hammering away.
Sadly the bulge was caused by the end of the grease gun being held in my pocket by a colleague.
I avoided the hanging from the engine crane but did have to climb into a boot to look for a water leak. Having identified the leak my mate decided that a roadtest was called for. 😠
I had my open tin of coke replaced with EP90.
A favorite was screwing a plastic vending machine cup to the foremans desk then pouring his tea in the cup.
Retire to a safe distance and wait for him to try to lift the cup.
No-one was ever physically hurt or set fire to though and the mentality back then was more one of piss taking whereas today it would be called bullying.
They were different times I guess.
I was already wise to the "long weight" stripes paint, left handed screw driver pranks as I had a father who had worked in the industry.
While bending over to fit some points in a Cortina I suddenly felt a bulging in my trousers, accompanied by the distant sound of the air grease gun hammering away.
Sadly the bulge was caused by the end of the grease gun being held in my pocket by a colleague.
I avoided the hanging from the engine crane but did have to climb into a boot to look for a water leak. Having identified the leak my mate decided that a roadtest was called for. 😠
I had my open tin of coke replaced with EP90.
A favorite was screwing a plastic vending machine cup to the foremans desk then pouring his tea in the cup.
Retire to a safe distance and wait for him to try to lift the cup.
No-one was ever physically hurt or set fire to though and the mentality back then was more one of piss taking whereas today it would be called bullying.
They were different times I guess.
Vaud said:
Quite. Like the sexist or lewd comments to "the office bird", it's now 2017, not 1975.
The verbal stuff can be as bad as the physical. Bullying is bullying.
Personally I'm appalled that in a "professional" business like Sytner that has the scale to have HR, policies and a level of professional management training that this has come to pass.
This most likely sums why they are a bunch of pricks, it comes down to company culture and leading by example.The verbal stuff can be as bad as the physical. Bullying is bullying.
Personally I'm appalled that in a "professional" business like Sytner that has the scale to have HR, policies and a level of professional management training that this has come to pass.
Mr2Mike said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
I think a lot of non-trade types here think that Susan taking the last biscuit is bad day at work
h is making my life hell. 
Heyho.
SpeedMattersNot said:
Countdown said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
I think a lot of non-trade types here think that Susan taking the last biscuit is bad day at work
You get the treatment that you're prepared to tolerate.
It was evident from Day 1 for me as an apprentice, that I had to sharpen up quick if I was to survive. Even at the training centre this type of behaviour from the staff and other students was very common (the lad who I picked on, was also picked on by the college staff, as were others and myself at times too). I didn't like it and is one of the reasons I got out of it.
Being a teaching assistant was a very good job (poor pay, though!) and it was nice being surrounded by so many well educated people, but it wasn't a surprise that most couldn't manage the naughty boys. I found it quite easy to get them on-board and was assigned different naughty lads at different stages.
I guess the ones who typically end up working in a finance office, came from good households on a nice part of the estate, went to a good school, did well and went to Uni then got a good job. Most people I worked with in workshops were from council estates, little to no education and were very rough.
But yeah, them persuading you that being grabbed by the throat and pushed over a car bonnet is OK doesn't make it right - its just means you bought their story....sorry
There's banter and then there's this....
"The coroner heard one of George's bosses at Audi Reading had previously told him to "hurry up and kill himself" and described him as "useless", according to notes found on his iPad after his death.
When confronted about this by Thames Valley Police, the dealership's manager, Terry Kindeleit, said it might have been one of his superiors who had "gone berserk" after George refused to clean the floor in the garage but would not reveal his full name, according to a transcript presented at the inquest."
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/reading-berkshire...
"The coroner heard one of George's bosses at Audi Reading had previously told him to "hurry up and kill himself" and described him as "useless", according to notes found on his iPad after his death.
When confronted about this by Thames Valley Police, the dealership's manager, Terry Kindeleit, said it might have been one of his superiors who had "gone berserk" after George refused to clean the floor in the garage but would not reveal his full name, according to a transcript presented at the inquest."
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/reading-berkshire...
The Above Article said:
He told the coroner that when George's parents had approached him to talk about the abuse, George had been sitting in a corner of the room with his head down and had later told him he did not wish to make a formal complaint.
Based on this, Mr Kindeleit said he had concluded George was making it up and said he would not have been surprised if the story was completely fabricated by the "troubled individual".
However, Mr Kindeleit did not deny he witnessed George being locked in a cage and set on fire and had reacted by laughing and walking away, but he could not recall telling George's parents about this at the meeting.
Terry - you're a complete fBased on this, Mr Kindeleit said he had concluded George was making it up and said he would not have been surprised if the story was completely fabricated by the "troubled individual".
However, Mr Kindeleit did not deny he witnessed George being locked in a cage and set on fire and had reacted by laughing and walking away, but he could not recall telling George's parents about this at the meeting.
king wker. Maybe a bit of stuff like this is part of the education, toughening them up a bit but really, it should just be good matured and not cruel, the basic idea that the older colleagues generally have the younger ones best interests at heart, rather than just a way to torture them.
I nearly got battered at the garage I worked at, used the wrong cleaner (truck cleaner) on a Sierra and the paint went dull, the boss's son had a right go at me, I said I would sort it and I think he heard me wrong and thought I said something else and lunged for me, missed but chased me, he chased me round the car three times then down the whole pitch, but he was a fat lump and I was 11 stone so he got out of breath, I thought he had done but he recovered and had another go but tripped over a hosepipe, fell over and cut his hands and grazed his nose, honestly would have battered me if he had got hold of me.
I nearly got battered at the garage I worked at, used the wrong cleaner (truck cleaner) on a Sierra and the paint went dull, the boss's son had a right go at me, I said I would sort it and I think he heard me wrong and thought I said something else and lunged for me, missed but chased me, he chased me round the car three times then down the whole pitch, but he was a fat lump and I was 11 stone so he got out of breath, I thought he had done but he recovered and had another go but tripped over a hosepipe, fell over and cut his hands and grazed his nose, honestly would have battered me if he had got hold of me.
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