New Chimaera 500

New Chimaera 500

Author
Discussion

shaunmorris

Original Poster:

66 posts

228 months

Wednesday 24th May 2017
quotequote all
I have just bought a Chimaera 500, a few years ago the engine had been rebuilt using forged Pistons. Should I be worried as the engine is noisy when hot, a tapping noise, but a lot worse when the engine is cold. The engine is running an oil pressure of 55psi which seems high ? And I have noticed that the dip stick does not stay pushed all the way down. I have not had the car long enough to tell if it's using oil. Have I bought a pup !!

phazed 11.83

21,844 posts

204 months

Wednesday 24th May 2017
quotequote all
Mine has forged pistons and is quiet.

Yours should be as well. It may well be something like an exhaust manifold gasket.

Don't panic yet.

ChilliWhizz

11,992 posts

161 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
quotequote all
phazed 11.83 said:
Mine has forged pistons and is quiet.

Yours should be as well. It may well be something like an exhaust manifold gasket.

Don't panic yet.
That's interesting, mine's really noisy on start up, less so when warm but still not quiet... I'm sure RR did tell me the forged pistons are a bit noisier (although I have no idea why), and the CF plenum lets alot more sound through than the standard RR one...

She's also smoked a bit under WOT screaming up through the gears, but that's getting worse of late frown

Might be time for a bit of internal inspection....

OP - hopefully the noise is nothing sinister......

shaunmorris

Original Poster:

66 posts

228 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
quotequote all
Not noticed any smoke from mine. What really concerns me is the high oil pressure, worried I have blow past on the pistons which is pressurising the sump

andy43

9,722 posts

254 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
quotequote all
Be worth using a proper mechanical oil press gauge on it - TVR ones are usually way off - it may have the wrong sender on it although the dip stick being forced out sounds odd?
Forged pistons can flap about a bit compared to cast, usually until hot due to larger clearances/different expansion rates.

ChilliWhizz

11,992 posts

161 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
quotequote all
shaunmorris said:
Not noticed any smoke from mine. What really concerns me is the high oil pressure, worried I have blow past on the pistons which is pressurising the sump
Shaun, mine runs at 60 from cold in the winter, around 50-55 from cold in the summer... drops to around 30 at idle when hot back up to around 50 over 3k rpm when hot...

I have got a fair bit of crankcase pressure, more than I believe it should have, also, not long after this became apparent (after an engine rebuild) we whipped the plenum off and the trumpet base was a bit swamped with oil which had been pushed up from the rocker cover breather... Mine's a 500 with a V8D lump in it running forged pistons, H beam rods, 10.6-1 comp plus lots of other go faster goodies....

Have you thought of getting a leak down test?

Chilli

ray von

2,915 posts

252 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
quotequote all
It's not sunset pearl yellow is it? My old one ended up down your way and had forged pistons it was noisy, in my opinion, from being rebuilt and had the oil pressure you mention.

shaunmorris

Original Poster:

66 posts

228 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
quotequote all
A leak down test may be the way forward, I am asking myself if the crank breather is blocked, would this potentially cause pressure to build in the engine forcing it to push the dip stick out slightly?
I do not object to the engine being a little noisy, provided that is all it is and it's not a simpton of something more serious.

Sardonicus

18,962 posts

221 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
quotequote all
Nothing wrong with that OP , and no amount of piston blow by will up oil pressure ......but over a period excess piston blow- by will dilute the engine oil and reduce pressure as the oil thins due to fuel dilution in the same was as over-fuelling will

shaunmorris

Original Poster:

66 posts

228 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
quotequote all
No the car is not yellow, but thanks for the comment, it seems that a little bit of noise is not uncommon

phazed 11.83

21,844 posts

204 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
quotequote all
ChilliWhizz said:
Shaun, mine runs at 60 from cold in the winter, around 50-55 from cold in the summer... drops to around 30 at idle when hot back up to around 50 over 3k rpm when hot...

I have got a fair bit of crankcase pressure, more than I believe it should have, also, not long after this became apparent (after an engine rebuild) we whipped the plenum off and the trumpet base was a bit swamped with oil which had been pushed up from the rocker cover breather... Mine's a 500 with a V8D lump in it running forged pistons, H beam rods, 10.6-1 comp plus lots of other go faster goodies....

Have you thought of getting a leak down test?

Chilli
You had oil on the trumpet base no doubt due to an unbalanced breather.
You had too much vacuum on the induction for the size of a breather pipe fitted.
I don't know where they picked up the breather from on your intake side but they probably corrected that.

As for forged pistons, on my totally rebuilt engine using a new block but with the old pistons and the piston rings carefully sized to fit, the engine is silent.

Regarding the noisy carbon fibre triple plenum. Try placing both hands on the top of it at idle and you'll be surprised how much noise goes away. This confirms how the carbon fibre plenum is just like a thin plastic box exaggerating the valvetrain noise!

Boosted LS1

21,187 posts

260 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
quotequote all
Op, if the dipsticks being pushed out then you have crankcase pressure and blowby. Some blowby is inevitable. First off I'd check any flame traps or pcv circuits for blockage. Crankcase fumes should be vented into the plenum but you may have a restriction. Also, inspect the little mushroom that stands on top of the rear of one of the rocker covers. It allows clean air into the engine casing. You should be able to prise off it's filter and blow into the rocker cover if it's not gummed up.

How much air is being pumped out of the oil filler cap at idle and is it smokey?

shaunmorris

Original Poster:

66 posts

228 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
quotequote all
Checking for air being blown out of the oil filler is good idea, I will do that tomorrow.

shaunmorris

Original Poster:

66 posts

228 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
quotequote all
I have noticed that the oil level is to high on the dip stick by about 15mm would this cause the dip stick to lift. I am not talking about a large amount, it lifts by around 5 mm

Boosted LS1

21,187 posts

260 months

Friday 26th May 2017
quotequote all
Yes, the pistons could be hitting oil on the down stroke. Setting the oil level correctly is a start.

Brithunter

599 posts

88 months

Friday 26th May 2017
quotequote all
It sounds like you need to get this 500 checked over by someone who knows these cars and the Rover V8 engine. Overfilling the sump with oil is a school boys error. I then wonder what other silly errors they have made.

macdeb

8,511 posts

255 months

Friday 26th May 2017
quotequote all
Typically there are two common types of forged piston, one has higher silicone content than the other so differing expansion rates. Same as Chilli here bit of slap when cold but goes when warm, nowt wrong with that. This type are probably overkill for the road TBH but,,,,,. Also, there's nothing wrong with your oil pressure, it's good, mine hardly drops below 50 when hot (capillary gauge) and over 55 cold. I think as has been said you have a problem with crankcase ventilation.
Let someone have a listen who 'knows' that type of engine, and then a second opinion.

Edited by macdeb on Friday 26th May 09:30

shaunmorris

Original Poster:

66 posts

228 months

Friday 26th May 2017
quotequote all
Looks like I have a few things to do this weekend, drain off the excess engine oil, check for airflow through the oil filler cap and drive it.

Classic Chim

12,424 posts

149 months

Friday 26th May 2017
quotequote all
The best thing to do would be drive it to somewhere where other experienced owners are kicking tyre's and suppin an ice cold beer somewhere. Let them have a listen etc.
Hear a few others for yourself too, saves a fortune sometimes. hehe

After removing the excess oil !

Dip sticks popping up has been heard of before and doesn't automatically mean pressure problems so as others have said don't panic yet. It's important to find a trusted Tvr mechanic but it's just as important to listen to owners who have been through all this before.
Find your local meet or monthly gathering of Tvr folk and take your car along.
Ask your questions and you'll hopefully get some honest answers and good advice.
Take it from there.
I find just looking at and hearing other Tvr help me decide if mines a pup too,, wink
Non of them are with a bit of TLC and a few updates to the systems wink
If you've just got the car this is really a good place to start, other owners will go straight to the problem areas and describe / offer solutions or warnings for your immediate attention.
Take a pen and pad, your head might be spinning but this will introduce you to the car in a far more personal way and you'll make friends at the same time. Tvr chaps are top notch at this mechanics lark. Valuable info straight off the bat.
Goodluck and enjoy the driving smile

shaunmorris

Original Poster:

66 posts

228 months

Friday 26th May 2017
quotequote all
All good advice, thanks