May Vs Corbyn live on the telly,
Discussion
MaxSo said:
DT398 said:
ATG said:
Savaged on Woman's Hour. Ripped a new one.
That exchange pretty much sums up the current crop of Labour shadow cabinet members and the party in general right now. What a shambles.How can anyone think our economy would improve with that lot at the helm?
The last couple of weeks have been FULL of the media trying to nail politicians from all parties on the figures underpinning their policy announcements and all sides (but labour especially) have been badly caught out. If Corbyn doesn't know this then he's not paying attention which is a problem. If he does know this but could not be bothered to be prepared for the SAME question dozens of politicians have faced over the last few weeks, then this is a problem. He's either supremely arrogant or supremely incompetent (I'm not totally sure but I think I might know which one it is). When it comes to running a country I'm pretty sure either or both of these traits would be a problem.
If he was in any way prepared, he would have said something like: "we are going to spend this many millions on the following policy which will be funded from this place and it's great for these parts of society for the following reasons". Of course if you have no idea what's going on and don't really know sh*t from paint you maybe wouldn't think of that.
He is clueless, I could not imagine him having to make an important decision quickly using logic and reason.
As for not remembering the figures, how he handles these situations is just 'cringey' he would be better off saying 'in the region of x amount'. He has such a bad head for figures I wouldn't want him negotiating the brexit talks, does he have the right people for the Job close to him?
As for not remembering the figures, how he handles these situations is just 'cringey' he would be better off saying 'in the region of x amount'. He has such a bad head for figures I wouldn't want him negotiating the brexit talks, does he have the right people for the Job close to him?
jjlynn27 said:
Jockman said:
Setting policies aside, Corbyn is a decent orator. He doesn't struggle to fill venues, especially around these parts.
Trouble is, the country doesn't need a decent orator. It needs somebody who can solve complex issues in a financially-literate manner.
I didn't give him credit for being a decent orator, there is some aura of incompetence about him. It could be his appearance.Trouble is, the country doesn't need a decent orator. It needs somebody who can solve complex issues in a financially-literate manner.
I agree that country needs someone to solve issues (isn't that always the case?), but May is not that. She can read a pre-approved script well, but last night she was laughable. It's a sad state of affairs that she doesn't have a credible opposition, especially if you next to Corbyn you look pathetic.
I have a theory for her approach and I'm happy to be corrected.
She has two styles. Both carefully cultivated.
One is soft but firm, appealing to wavering voters in an election campaign. TBH, this is her weaker style.
The second is her full frontal pit bull attack mode - reference PM Questions - and she is a lot better at this. At no stage is it advisable to use this style during an election campaign. Trump aside, unhinged politicians rarely win elections outside of single party states.
joshcowin said:
He is clueless, I could not imagine him having to make an important decision quickly using logic and reason.
As for not remembering the figures, how he handles these situations is just 'cringey' he would be better off saying 'in the region of x amount'. He has such a bad head for figures I wouldn't want him negotiating the brexit talks, does he have the right people for the Job close to him?
Does May? David Davies? I'm hoping that unnamed Whitehall bureaucrats are significantly better than what's on offer from main parties.As for not remembering the figures, how he handles these situations is just 'cringey' he would be better off saying 'in the region of x amount'. He has such a bad head for figures I wouldn't want him negotiating the brexit talks, does he have the right people for the Job close to him?
MaxSo said:
DT398 said:
ATG said:
Savaged on Woman's Hour. Ripped a new one.
That exchange pretty much sums up the current crop of Labour shadow cabinet members and the party in general right now. What a shambles.How can anyone think our economy would improve with that lot at the helm?
ATG said:
The figures for the major policy he was there to talk about? Yeah, I would say that was genuinely concerning. Having a wish-list of nice things to do is facile. Government is about delivery, and figuring out how much something is going to cost and where that money is coming from is fundamental, not just some minor incidental detail.
Agreed.It has just knocked the SNP off headline news at BBC online.
MaxSo said:
Do you *honestly* think it is highly important that he couldn't recall the exact figure off the top of his head?
Imagine you're trying to persuade Mrs MaxSo that you should get yourself a Ferrari. When you sit down to discuss it with her, does it not seem plausible that she might want to know the cost of it & be a bit miffed if you vaguely waffle about how you don't know exactly but it'll be worth the money?I don't actually think it's helpful for either side's politicians to be attacked because they can't remember a figure off the top of their head. That said as a Corbyn supporter it does seem an oversight to go on the radio to announce a policy and not take the key facts on paper with you.
Still if we assume people other than the party leaders have written the manifesto and worked out costs really the interviewer should just give them the figure and the debate should be whether that's a worthwhile way to spend the money, what are the merits of the policy, can it actually be delivered for that amount of money etc, not whether or not Corbyn and May can remember figures.
In the interest of balance I do think Labour take more stick on this than the Tories but I'm not actually convinced either side is better, Philip Hammond was £20bn out on HS2 the other week but it wasn't nearly as big news as Corbyn/Abbott messing up.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/phil...
Still if we assume people other than the party leaders have written the manifesto and worked out costs really the interviewer should just give them the figure and the debate should be whether that's a worthwhile way to spend the money, what are the merits of the policy, can it actually be delivered for that amount of money etc, not whether or not Corbyn and May can remember figures.
In the interest of balance I do think Labour take more stick on this than the Tories but I'm not actually convinced either side is better, Philip Hammond was £20bn out on HS2 the other week but it wasn't nearly as big news as Corbyn/Abbott messing up.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/phil...
jjlynn27 said:
joshcowin said:
Trust me I don't think any of them are fit to lead!
May can make decisions and seems to have a plan going into the negotiations.
I hope that you are right, somehow after that performance, I doubt it. May can make decisions and seems to have a plan going into the negotiations.
Even if she wanted to share it (which she wouldn't) Paxo wouldn't have alllowed more than a couple of sentences before interrupting.
Her replies on other topics are irrelevant,
Your preconception is showing.
Shuvi McTupya said:
I just saw Theresa May making comments about Corbyn being alone and naked or something and how that is not an image that bares thinking about!!
Imagine the s
t storm if a male politician said that about a aging female politician!
I expect more from our 'leaders' .
May warned that Jeremy Corbyn's position on Brexit would leave him “alone and naked” in negotiations with Brussels. Standard imagery for the context with no connotations of the type being wrongly alluded to. Not even a storm in a teacup.Imagine the s
t storm if a male politician said that about a aging female politician!I expect more from our 'leaders' .
garyhun said:
JagLover said:
I believe "Zionist" simply means Jewish
No. Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.I meant in this context the use of "Zionist" as a term of derision simply means Jewish.
MaxSo said:
REALIST123 said:
PurpleAki said:
MaxSo said:
ATG said:
Savaged on Woman's Hour. Ripped a new one.
Can't recall figure off top of his head. Wow.And now Labour supporters are attacking the (wholly innocent) interviewer as being a Zionist. So no anti semetism there then...
Lovely day at office and its not even 2 o'clock yet...
JagLover said:
garyhun said:
JagLover said:
I believe "Zionist" simply means Jewish
No. Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.I meant in this context the use of "Zionist" as a term of derision simply means Jewish.
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