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Burwood said:
Tycho said:
Can someone point me to a country which has had a successful Marxist government because that is what we will end up with if Corbyn gets in..
Ther isn't one. But cmorbyn will say they aren't Marxist, just for the many not the few. And Trabi, I can be assed posting twice but wanted to say .hahahahaahahturbobloke said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
Still positively in favour of them to twin of course, but it's a shame so many old people believe the hysteria around the economy rather than realising borrowing money to investing it wisely can make you money. It's what businesses do everyday.
Sure but they don't borrow to buy votes from the electorate - and they understand what borrowing is and what the costs are down the line (unlike Corbyn, McDonnell and Labour in general).Corbyn and Labour would be a real downhill slide for the UK, here's hoping enough people see sense on the 8th.
Sorry, I know you don't like it when it's just your opinion unless it's your own so is this the ultimate tb paradox
fblm said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
Why do people always want to go to Germany? It's more left than here, with better schools, better roads, better public transport, better health services, longer and better benefits for maternity/paternity, larger public sector spending...
It sounds like the worst place on earth to 99.9% of PistonFaces.
It's notable that Germany's left don't have the same rabid hatred of personal and corporate success as the British left.It sounds like the worst place on earth to 99.9% of PistonFaces.
Too easy
Trabi601 said:
Maybe because Germany don't have the same tribalism in politics where anyone left leaning is shouted down as a 'looney' or continually told there isn't a 'magic money tree'.
There's a reason for that; they dont destroy their economy every time they get in power unlike Labour.Tycho said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
I have seen the damage caused to Liverpool when militant had a strangle hold on the labour Party and almost bankrupted the City and the same people now called momentum are waiting in the wings like a dark evil shadow. How could you vote for that.
Yet they still vote for them in droves. Derek Hatton and his cronies are still held up as heroes. Utterly baffling.
Trabi601 said:
Maybe because Germany don't have the same tribalism in politics where anyone left leaning is shouted down as a 'looney' or continually told there isn't a 'magic money tree'.
The 'left' (or the unions) have real power and representation in industry, this has stopped the earnings gap from growing too wide and ensured workers get a fair deal, rather than being screwed for the benefit of shareholders.
It's a much fairer and more balanced society out there.
But then they also have proper family and friends time. The whole ethos is very different. They still have collective social responsibility.
THat's the nail on the head I think, they don't have the rampant greed of the UK, at least traditionally.The 'left' (or the unions) have real power and representation in industry, this has stopped the earnings gap from growing too wide and ensured workers get a fair deal, rather than being screwed for the benefit of shareholders.
It's a much fairer and more balanced society out there.
But then they also have proper family and friends time. The whole ethos is very different. They still have collective social responsibility.
Trabi601 said:
The global financial crisis had a disproportionate effect on Brown's legacy. Doesn't matter which side of the fence you are on, wider scale issues had a massive impact on the country at that time.
Don't forget, he ran a surplus for 4 (5?) years.
Every post you make on this topic demonstrates how little you understand! There was a small surplus when they followed the Tory spending plans (3 years in total).Don't forget, he ran a surplus for 4 (5?) years.
Trabi601 said:
Both sides of the fence have mismanaged the economy for short term gain - and this will not change until we change our voting system and everyone starts to look at their own personal and wider ranging social responsibilities. I'd suggest we are the most self centred population in Europe - nobody gives a toss about anyone else anymore.
According to PH, the poor are poor because they lack motivation or should have worked harder in school. Nurses shouldn't complain about pay - they should leave and get a better job, as an example.
I don't recall anyone saying any such thing - can you provide any facts or is this just more of your straw man nonsense?According to PH, the poor are poor because they lack motivation or should have worked harder in school. Nurses shouldn't complain about pay - they should leave and get a better job, as an example.
Trabi601 said:
Our issues are much bigger than voting red or blue - I never voted for Labour under Blair. But I'd be incredibly reluctant to vote Tory, too.
I'm tipping towards Corbyn, but may vote with the nationalists if I decide they'll deliver more to help the local community.
So you're old enough to vote? Scary...I'm tipping towards Corbyn, but may vote with the nationalists if I decide they'll deliver more to help the local community.
Edited by sidicks on Saturday 3rd June 23:34
sidicks said:
Trabi601 said:
According to PH, the poor are poor because they lack motivation or should have worked harder in school. Nurses shouldn't complain about pay - they should leave and get a better job, as an example.
I don't recall anyone saying any such thing - can you provide any facts or is this just more of your straw man nonsense?Edited by sidicks on Saturday 3rd June 23:34
IIRC the one about 'the poor' was something along the lines of everyone has the opportunity to better themselves or something similar without taking into account whether or not you'd grown up on a sink estate or had a privileged upbringing.
SpeedMattersNot said:
fblm said:
SpeedMattersNot said:
..and you know the answer why, don't you?
Too easy
Indeed. They arn't as thick as your lot.Too easy
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 4th June 04:05
Trabi601 said:
Maybe because Germany don't have the same tribalism in politics where anyone left leaning is shouted down as a 'looney' or continually told there isn't a 'magic money tree'.
The 'left' (or the unions) have real power and representation in industry, this has stopped the earnings gap from growing too wide and ensured workers get a fair deal, rather than being screwed for the benefit of shareholders.
It's a much fairer and more balanced society out there.
But then they also have proper family and friends time. The whole ethos is very different. They still have collective social responsibility.
The reason why the German economy is now such a successful export machine is that real wages have been held down for well over a decade.The 'left' (or the unions) have real power and representation in industry, this has stopped the earnings gap from growing too wide and ensured workers get a fair deal, rather than being screwed for the benefit of shareholders.
It's a much fairer and more balanced society out there.
But then they also have proper family and friends time. The whole ethos is very different. They still have collective social responsibility.
https://www.ft.com/content/a7758d5e-8566-11e6-8897...
As to comparisons with ourselves we have a very large professional services sector and the people within them are usually paid a fair amount. Not sure comparing German "virtue" with British "greed" is that relevant.
JagLover said:
The reason why the German economy is now such a successful export machine is that real wages have been held down for well over a decade.
https://www.ft.com/content/a7758d5e-8566-11e6-8897...
As to comparisons with ourselves we have a very large professional services sector and the people within them are usually paid a fair amount. Not sure comparing German "virtue" with British "greed" is that relevant.
Like in the UK?https://www.ft.com/content/a7758d5e-8566-11e6-8897...
As to comparisons with ourselves we have a very large professional services sector and the people within them are usually paid a fair amount. Not sure comparing German "virtue" with British "greed" is that relevant.
https://www.ft.com/content/83e7e87e-fe64-11e6-96f8...
You can access the link by googling "how wages fell in the UK whilst the economy grew" if you don't pay for the FT (I don't).
FN2TypeR said:
Like in the UK?
https://www.ft.com/content/83e7e87e-fe64-11e6-96f8...
You can access the link by googling "how wages fell in the UK whilst the economy grew" if you don't pay for the FT (I don't).
The UK has had very poor productivity growth since we took the wrong turn as an economy back in the early 2000s.https://www.ft.com/content/83e7e87e-fe64-11e6-96f8...
You can access the link by googling "how wages fell in the UK whilst the economy grew" if you don't pay for the FT (I don't).
The German situation is different because wage rises have been far lower than productivity growth.
BigMon said:
sidicks said:
Trabi601 said:
According to PH, the poor are poor because they lack motivation or should have worked harder in school. Nurses shouldn't complain about pay - they should leave and get a better job, as an example.
I don't recall anyone saying any such thing - can you provide any facts or is this just more of your straw man nonsense?Edited by sidicks on Saturday 3rd June 23:34
IIRC the one about 'the poor' was something along the lines of everyone has the opportunity to better themselves or something similar without taking into account whether or not you'd grown up on a sink estate or had a privileged upbringing.
Likes Fast Cars said:
BigMon said:
sidicks said:
Trabi601 said:
According to PH, the poor are poor because they lack motivation or should have worked harder in school. Nurses shouldn't complain about pay - they should leave and get a better job, as an example.
I don't recall anyone saying any such thing - can you provide any facts or is this just more of your straw man nonsense?Edited by sidicks on Saturday 3rd June 23:34
IIRC the one about 'the poor' was something along the lines of everyone has the opportunity to better themselves or something similar without taking into account whether or not you'd grown up on a sink estate or had a privileged upbringing.
The question is; are the right people paying the price for the financial crash, and our economic woes in general? I don't think the right people are.
LDN said:
To be fair; I've seen many a post that is along the lines of what Trabi has written... it's a shame as it demonstrates just how many PH posters live in a bubble. I've said before; there are those in our society that work a damn lot harder than I do; and yet struggle to pay bills each month or put food in the table. The current system is simply not fair or right. I see myself as someone who could easily look down on those less fortunate, but I choose to see the reality of life for so many in the UK right now.
The question is; are the right people paying the price for the financial crash, and our economic woes in general? I don't think the right people are.
I agree!The question is; are the right people paying the price for the financial crash, and our economic woes in general? I don't think the right people are.
LDN said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
BigMon said:
sidicks said:
Trabi601 said:
According to PH, the poor are poor because they lack motivation or should have worked harder in school. Nurses shouldn't complain about pay - they should leave and get a better job, as an example.
I don't recall anyone saying any such thing - can you provide any facts or is this just more of your straw man nonsense?Edited by sidicks on Saturday 3rd June 23:34
IIRC the one about 'the poor' was something along the lines of everyone has the opportunity to better themselves or something similar without taking into account whether or not you'd grown up on a sink estate or had a privileged upbringing.
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