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bga said:
You will struggle to find any large organisation without permanent equality/diversity managers and associated plans. If they are doing their job then it is likely a pretty good piece of risk management.
If you want to look at non-jobs then focus on Arms Length Bodies where the amount of waste is appalling.
Well, yes - that's the point. If NHS procurement processes cause that waste to be replicated then the exercise is a bit pointless.If you want to look at non-jobs then focus on Arms Length Bodies where the amount of waste is appalling.
TooMany2cvs said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Yep. I was correct in my last post. You are a patronising t
t.
You may very well think I'm a tt. t. I'll try to cope with the disappointment.But, yes, well spotted. I am patronising you. Because you're f
king clueless. That's not a great issue in itself - but you actually appear to have zero desire to gain a clue, and you're quite happy to be Thoroughly Outraged at your utter misunderstanding of reality...king clueless' or any of the other many insults you band about? Of course not, because it would probably kick off scraps with many people! You're presumably an adult, so it's apt to act like one. It's possible to disagree without resorting to insults. FWIW, the t
t element of my term was meant in a tt for patronising way, before you suggest I was calling you one, not heeding my own advice.Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
I have attempted to, it's there on yougov, but it's 46 pages long and incredibly boring TBH.
So what you're essentially saying is that they'll give them something as long as they can rob them first?
No, the point I was getting at is that some of the trusts are poorly run, so I wouldn't expect them to realise the actual cost and liability of having old buildings and surplus land. If they were on the ball, I would think they would already by looking at how to raise income or save costs maintaining uneconomical buildings.So what you're essentially saying is that they'll give them something as long as they can rob them first?
So I'm not surprised if the government have to intervene to make that happen.
Quite simple, really, I don't know why you are trying to be so dramatic.
Sheepshanks said:
That's an odd thing to hope for. Are you also hoping your house burns down and you crash your car?
My private medical and dental insurance is £2500/yr now and that's getting irritating.
According to my 2016 tax break-down 19.9% of my tax income was spent on "Health". £2500pa would represent a saving... My private medical and dental insurance is £2500/yr now and that's getting irritating.
EDIT: I'm originally from SA, so have lived in a country where life expectancy and quality of life is determined by your ability to pay. I think the NHS is better, but not perfect. What I find irksome when speaking to people who've not grown up here is that they consider / describe the service as "free". The cost is not insignificant.
Edited by Chris Type R on Wednesday 31st May 19:31
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
What is the need to be so rude and patronising though? It never ceases to amaze me how brash many are on the internet, who wouldn't be so in real life.
And yet your initial 'contribution' to the thread is a nonsense cartoon misrepresenting the opinions of 'most' Conservatives.sidicks said:
jjlynn27 said:
For a second I forgot where I was posting. Years of research by respected healthcare specialists vs ph-public-sector-inefficient mantra. Tough choice.
You see that row where it says efficiency?
You see that bit where it says 'overall'? Does that mean that all of the component parts are as efficient as they could be?You see that row where it says efficiency?
Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 31st May 19:05
sidicks said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
What is the need to be so rude and patronising though? It never ceases to amaze me how brash many are on the internet, who wouldn't be so in real life.
And yet your initial 'contribution' to the thread is a nonsense cartoon misrepresenting the opinions of 'most' Conservatives.sidicks said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
yeah, because the Conservative party haven't privitised a thing over the years....
And neither have the Labour Party?Which government privatised more of the NHS?
I'm pretty sure which party has the penchant for privitisation (which I'm not fully against, but that's one for another day)
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Would you kick off with a stranger in a pub, call them 'fking clueless' or any of the other many insults you band about?
No, I'd simply leave you ranting your vacuous bking clueless' or any of the other many insults you band about?ks in the corner, roll my eyes at you, and talk to some intelligent adults.But, since this isn't a pub...
TooMany2cvs said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
Would you kick off with a stranger in a pub, call them 'fking clueless' or any of the other many insults you band about?
No, I'd simply leave you ranting your vacuous bking clueless' or any of the other many insults you band about?ks in the corner, roll my eyes at you, and talk to some intelligent adults.But, since this isn't a pub...
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
On the contrary. Me and my closest friends are from varying back grounds, and varying opinions about much. We regularly manage to thrash things out when out, without the need for insults. HTH to use your lovely acronym.
I'm very happy for you. So do I, with my friends.You aren't one of them. You're a random bloke on the internet, who doesn't want to learn anything, just spout plain ignorant b
ks. HTH.TooMany2cvs said:
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
On the contrary. Me and my closest friends are from varying back grounds, and varying opinions about much. We regularly manage to thrash things out when out, without the need for insults. HTH to use your lovely acronym.
I'm very happy for you. So do I, with my friends.You aren't one of them. You're a random bloke on the internet, who doesn't want to learn anything, just spout plain ignorant b
ks. HTH.I'm not really ignorant around the NHS, my younger brother's been a paramedic for 15 odd years, I hear much first hand.
Anyways, you're plainly not interested in debating things out, just shouting people down, so I'm out.
Just a tip, IF someone is wrong, and they've been given reasoned polite facts to counter their view point then MOST, myself included are perfectly capable of saying 'oh OK, I can see that' (for EG)
I can't imagine your alternative usually gets you anywhere!
Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
You really do need to calm down
Perfectly calm, ta.Fermit The Krog and Sexy Sarah said:
I'm not really ignorant around the NHS, my younger brother's been a paramedic for 15 odd years, I hear much first hand.
Umm, you do know that paramedics aren't actually involved in procurement or tendering, right?NHS is 'worse than healthcare in Ireland, Spain and Slovenia' in new global ranking, it says here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-world...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-world...
V8 Fettler said:
NHS is 'worse than healthcare in Ireland, Spain and Slovenia' in new global ranking, it says here:
I have no idea what healthcare in those countries is like. Pretty good, by the look of it. But, of course, it's much lazier to shout "Look! These are crappy countries!", right?So let's dig a bit deeper. It says the UK scores 84.6 out of 100, an improvement from 1990's 74.3. The highest score is 94.6, and the global average is 53.7. The US was at 81.3, and was in 35th position.
In their table, which is only to integers, Germany got 86, France 88. Top ten was 89.
Norway and Sweden, were in the top ten, at 90.5.
So, basically, the UK didn't do too badly if you look at absolute scores rather than rankings. After all, the only thing the UK can control is its own score...
And, if you cba to fight your way through the full report, it's at http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/P...
TooMany2cvs said:
I have no idea what healthcare in those countries is like. Pretty good, by the look of it. But, of course, it's much lazier to shout "Look! These are crappy countries!", right?
So let's dig a bit deeper. It says the UK scores 84.6 out of 100, an improvement from 1990's 74.3. The highest score is 94.6, and the global average is 53.7. The US was at 81.3, and was in 35th position.
In their table, which is only to integers, Germany got 86, France 88. Top ten was 89.
Norway and Sweden, were in the top ten, at 90.5.
So, basically, the UK didn't do too badly if you look at absolute scores rather than rankings. After all, the only thing the UK can control is its own score...
And, if you cba to fight your way through the full report, it's at http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/P...
But the NHS is in 'crisis' 'cos of the Tory cuts, innit...?!So let's dig a bit deeper. It says the UK scores 84.6 out of 100, an improvement from 1990's 74.3. The highest score is 94.6, and the global average is 53.7. The US was at 81.3, and was in 35th position.
In their table, which is only to integers, Germany got 86, France 88. Top ten was 89.
Norway and Sweden, were in the top ten, at 90.5.
So, basically, the UK didn't do too badly if you look at absolute scores rather than rankings. After all, the only thing the UK can control is its own score...
And, if you cba to fight your way through the full report, it's at http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/P...
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