Huge Fire In Block Of Flats
Discussion
Vipers said:
If they said 3 months, and after 3 months they still havnt identified the bodies, there will be more riots me thinks, play safe and say the end of the year, cant be an easy task anyway, you have to compare DNA with samples from relations etc I think. No doubt some of the dead had no relations, amlost impossible task.
+1The confirmed deaths from the Great fire of London in 1666 was just 6.
Dr Jekyll said:
Vipers said:
If they said 3 months, and after 3 months they still havnt identified the bodies, there will be more riots me thinks, play safe and say the end of the year, cant be an easy task anyway, you have to compare DNA with samples from relations etc I think. No doubt some of the dead had no relations, amlost impossible task.
+1The confirmed deaths from the Great fire of London in 1666 was just 6.
Kermit power said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Vipers said:
If they said 3 months, and after 3 months they still havnt identified the bodies, there will be more riots me thinks, play safe and say the end of the year, cant be an easy task anyway, you have to compare DNA with samples from relations etc I think. No doubt some of the dead had no relations, amlost impossible task.
+1The confirmed deaths from the Great fire of London in 1666 was just 6.
plfrench said:
Might be worth reading up before making unfounded statements, although facts are a bit boring I suppose... 
Approved Document B section 12.5 states that a means of compliance is meeting performance requirement of BR135 using full scale test data from BS 8414-1:2002 or BS 8414-2:2005.
Also, a manufacturer making claims to have carried out a test to a standard without having done so via a UKAS accredited facility would find themselves on a sticky wicket. Specifiers or consultant engineers would often request to see evidence of independent testing, i.e. a test report from a suitable 3rd party.
Quite direct extract from BS 8414-1:2002.Approved Document B section 12.5 states that a means of compliance is meeting performance requirement of BR135 using full scale test data from BS 8414-1:2002 or BS 8414-2:2005.
Also, a manufacturer making claims to have carried out a test to a standard without having done so via a UKAS accredited facility would find themselves on a sticky wicket. Specifiers or consultant engineers would often request to see evidence of independent testing, i.e. a test report from a suitable 3rd party.
BS8414-1:2002 Foreword said:
This British Standard has been prepared by a joint working group from Technical Committees FSH/21/7 and FSH/22/7 under the direction of FSH/22. This British Standard was developed from an existing industry standard, BRE Fire Note 9 [published by the Building Research Establish (BRE)] [1], following a recommendation by the then House of Commons Environment, Transport and Regional Affairs Committee. This recommendation was contained within the committee’s first report on the potential risk of fire spread in buildings via external cladding systems, which was published on 14 December 1999 (HC109) [2]. This part of BS 8414 has been produced to provide a test method for assessing the fire performance of non-loadbearing external cladding systems, rainscreen overcladding systems and external wall insulation systems at full-scale when applied to the face of a building and exposed to an external fire under controlled conditions. The fire exposure conditions have been developed to be representative of an external fire source or a fully-developed (post-flashover) fire in a room, venting through an opening such as a window aperture that exposes the cladding to the effects of external flames. Further parts of this standard will be developed to cover the fire testing of curtain walling systems and systems that include glass panels. This publication does not purport to include all the necessary provisions of a contract. Users are responsible for its correct application. Compliance with a British Standard does not of itself confer immunity from legal obligations.
and https://www.bsigroup.com/en-GB/standards/Information-about-standards/standards-and-regulation/ said:
Standards and regulation
If you comply with a British Standard then it’s pretty clear that you take your responsibilities seriously as an organization, and indeed compliance is often taken as evidence of due diligence. It certainly speaks volumes about your attitudes to doing things properly.
However, standards aren’t the same as regulations and following a standard doesn’t guarantee that you’re within the relevant laws. In fact standards rarely cite the law as legislation could change within the lifetime of the standard.
Facts are if you have followed the relevant BS, BS EN then you generally speaking will be within the law. Having read some of the information about the new test vs the old test it appears its down to (as always) to interpretation of the BS. I cannot believe the whole industry has choose to follow the least onerous interpretation. If you comply with a British Standard then it’s pretty clear that you take your responsibilities seriously as an organization, and indeed compliance is often taken as evidence of due diligence. It certainly speaks volumes about your attitudes to doing things properly.
However, standards aren’t the same as regulations and following a standard doesn’t guarantee that you’re within the relevant laws. In fact standards rarely cite the law as legislation could change within the lifetime of the standard.
Not all industries are frequented by complete cowboys, I agree some parts of the construction industry do take the piss. I am currently working on a station where we have done mock up blast test of glazing, involving specialist who all they do is blast testing of glass and professional consultancy on the subject matter.
You would have thought that the test centres themselves where the mock ups are constructed and tested would know the BS well enough to advise if the test meets the design intent, i.e. insulation or cladding or whatever the change in interpretation now is.
You would have thought that the test centres themselves where the mock ups are constructed and tested would know the BS well enough to advise if the test meets the design intent, i.e. insulation or cladding or whatever the change in interpretation now is.
Europa1 said:
I see certain sections of the media are already agitating over the appointment of Sir Martin Moore-Bick to lead the public inquiry. One wonders if we will see the sort of revolving door that the historic child abuse inquiry has had.
Add to that the "Activists" who are "working for" the residents.Remind me....who is responsible for politicising this tragedy ?
So RBKC had a council meeting tonight - they closed it to all public and press (which AFAIK is not legal) - Guardian et al obtained an injunction at the High Court to ensure journalists would allowed in
After arguments on the door with security staff some press were admitted - only for the meeting to be immediately cancelled by RBKC council leader Paget-Brown because it wasn't private !
What a shambles
After arguments on the door with security staff some press were admitted - only for the meeting to be immediately cancelled by RBKC council leader Paget-Brown because it wasn't private !
What a shambles
Edited by essayer on Thursday 29th June 19:06
t show.Stickyfinger said:
Europa1 said:
I see certain sections of the media are already agitating over the appointment of Sir Martin Moore-Bick to lead the public inquiry. One wonders if we will see the sort of revolving door that the historic child abuse inquiry has had.
Add to that the "Activists" who are "working for" the residents.Remind me....who is responsible for politicising this tragedy ?
Stickyfinger said:
gooner1 said:
and >.............re Paget Brown., for some reason it's coming up as Access restricted.
Grenfell Tower fire: Man arrested for falsely claiming his relatives had died in fatal blaze to get housing and money
article said:
“He was assigned family liaison officers after he claimed that he lost his wife and son in the fire,” a spokesperson for the Metropolitan Police said.
“He attempted to claim financial support stating he had lost all his property.
“He attempted to claim financial support stating he had lost all his property.
article said:
Investigators said the suspect lived in Bromley, 17 miles away from the site of the disaster, and does not have a wife or child.
BlackLabel said:
Grenfell Tower fire: Man arrested for falsely claiming his relatives had died in fatal blaze to get housing and money
Bound to be some chancers, it's London, a city where people run to get on a bus after it has crashed.article said:
“He was assigned family liaison officers after he claimed that he lost his wife and son in the fire,” a spokesperson for the Metropolitan Police said.
“He attempted to claim financial support stating he had lost all his property.
“He attempted to claim financial support stating he had lost all his property.
article said:
Investigators said the suspect lived in Bromley, 17 miles away from the site of the disaster, and does not have a wife or child.
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