Huge Fire In Block Of Flats

[anonymous-user]

Oakey said:

techiedave said:

Respectfully and not a go at you but... You have to be fking joking. Some of the total fkups that do stand are a joke as in a total joke. We have them here. My brother lives near to Blackpool and whilst it isn't his council it seems that in Blackpool the main advantage you need to be a councillor is to be related to one. One old gizzard there is so much of a pig in the trough it's unreal. He was on a housing committee and was in charge of clamping down on housing benefit fraud. Thing was his daughter was caught 3 times robbing housing benefit. the last time did for him and he had to step down. as in step down from the housing committee. It also cost him leader of the council. then a new boy came in and because he had been tutored by the old git he rewarded him with a brief on education. he decided it must be beneficial to start hammering parents whose kids had time off school - very noble.
Only thing was his daughter apart from robbing the housing benefit was such a fk up she didn't bother getting her daughter to attend she had at best a 62% attendance record and for one term managed a stonking 4%,
It was thought it would be best if he was off that education brief thingey
so they gave him health

You forgot the end of that story, the bit where his grandson became one too

Oh no Mr Oakey I was going to come back to it
I was going to mention that they gave him the health brief. One of his big things was to pay a lot of money out to get signs erected in all the local parks saying that smoking was banned. Unfortunately it wasn't and the signs were unenforceable because no such bye law had been introduced. I was a lso going to mention his delightful grandaugher who whilst living at his address adopted a strange approach to elderly people. This involved befriending them on the promenade and other places hugging them offering them sex and stealing their wallets. This was after she had befriended a local landlord who is well known and ridiculed for housing women with drug issues and shagging them for the rent (its known all over the Fylde and frequently comes up in conversation. I was going to mention how she had been jailed for various offences and how these were the result of her slide into drugs whilst living at HIS address and presumably being under his care.
You may well be aware of some locals dismay that such a man can be given the health brief
You also are quite right that his grandson did indeed get an easy ride into being made a councillor. To be fair to the grandson he seems to be ok. Ok in that he isn't a criminal or drug abuser. Maybe however not ok in that he is still close to his sister and that some people in the council are concerned about what access she may have to confidential documents.
The whole aura surrounding this ex council leader stinks and is indicative of just how bent and corrupt and in it for themselves some councillors are.

[economicpygmy]

jules_s said:

economicpygmy said:

Elysium said:

Eddieslofart said:

plasticpig said:

Is that the stuff made from basalt fibre?

It's basically the same as this,

http://www.rockwool.co.uk/products/hardrock-multi-...

Check the fire rating, similiar to most, if not all Rockwall products.

I currently have 110 blokes, and most of the Cherry Pickers in England on hire ripping cladding off.

The spineless bds won't listen

Me " It's Rockwall Sir"

Spineless HA/Council tt. " We don't care, get it off!"

Toilet roll sales near council/HA offices must be through the roof !

Why on earth are councils paying to remove non combustible rockwool insulation? That is an absurd waste of public money. Idiots.

This ^

Or is it just multiple samples for test?

The public don't know what is attached to 'their' flats which is why it is being checked. Lets not forget there are long leasehold owners in these blocks too

I think theres some confusion; I was making the point that it seems silly to remove the claddding before removing a few samples and testing them.

[Eddieslofart]

jules_s said:

economicpygmy said:

Elysium said:

Eddieslofart said:

plasticpig said:

Is that the stuff made from basalt fibre?

It's basically the same as this,

http://www.rockwool.co.uk/products/hardrock-multi-...

Check the fire rating, similiar to most, if not all Rockwall products.

I currently have 110 blokes, and most of the Cherry Pickers in England on hire ripping cladding off.

The spineless bds won't listen

Me " It's Rockwall Sir"

Spineless HA/Council tt. " We don't care, get it off!"

Toilet roll sales near council/HA offices must be through the roof !

Why on earth are councils paying to remove non combustible rockwool insulation? That is an absurd waste of public money. Idiots.

This ^

Or is it just multiple samples for test?

The public don't know what is attached to 'their' flats which is why it is being checked. Lets not forget there are long leasehold owners in these blocks too

Once a project is complete, an O&M manual is handed over to the building owner. This lists all the works/materials carried out on any project.

1st port of call is this manual.

We work for many large HA's.

First request we made was for the Manuals for all blocks, they're not interested.

Not sure who's footing the final bill, but it's going to be huge.

Most of these types of project were on a D&B basis, some contractors may be twitching at the moment.

[Smiler.]

Eddieslofart said:

Once a project is complete, an O&M manual is handed over to the building owner. This lists all the works/materials carried out on any project.

1st port of call is this manual.

We work for many large HA's.

First request we made was for the Manuals for all blocks, they're not interested.

Not sure who's footing the final bill, but it's going to be huge.

Most of these types of project were on a D&B basis, some contractors may be twitching at the moment.

Yours maybe (no disrespect).

I've lost count of the total works of fiction or empty envelope that purport to be an O&M Manual (MEP services mainly).

A well-written one is worth its weight in gold.

It ought to be scrutinised by the Contract Administrator (or other person with a good working knowledge of the works carried out under the design & construction phase) before completion is achieved.

But on most of the buildings or sites with which I get involved after the fact, they are squarely in the chocolate fireguard category.

[kev1974]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/02/grenfell-tenants-who...

RBK&C tenants who had sublet their Grenfell Tower flats won't be prosecuted.

Maybe not, I can see that the authorities stand little chance of finding out who was really living there, unless they agree to waive prosecution.

But I hope this disaster means they're at least going to start doing a regular roll call or more frequent checks on who is going in and out of other similar properties.

[Burwood]

kev1974 said:

http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/02/grenfell-tenants-who...

RBK&C tenants who had sublet their Grenfell Tower flats won't be prosecuted.

Maybe not, I can see that the authorities stand little chance of finding out who was really living there, unless they agree to waive prosecution.

But I hope this disaster means they're at least going to start doing a regular roll call or more frequent checks on who is going in and out of other similar properties.

Don't be daft. The poor beggars need to sublet because of the Tory cuts. It's all the governments fault. I think they need to be seen to care who was there. But does it matter if no one comes forward to confirm it, if these people are illegals, how can it be proven. Being completely cynical, I'd imagine their families abroad may well be interested in the compensation though.

[Pesty]

Burwood said:

kev1974 said:

http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/02/grenfell-tenants-who...

RBK&C tenants who had sublet their Grenfell Tower flats won't be prosecuted.

Maybe not, I can see that the authorities stand little chance of finding out who was really living there, unless they agree to waive prosecution.

But I hope this disaster means they're at least going to start doing a regular roll call or more frequent checks on who is going in and out of other similar properties.

Don't be daft. The poor beggars need to sublet because of the Tory cuts. It's all the governments fault. I think they need to be seen to care who was there. But does it matter if no one comes forward to confirm it, if these people are illegals, how can it be proven. Being completely cynical, I'd imagine their families abroad may well be interested in the compensation though.

They have also promised that none of the survivors immigration status will be checked.

Can at least hope that they will take subletting seriously now. All those houses with sheds in their back gardens with families living like back home and paying through the nose for it.

[jmorgan]

One would hope that many councils are doing a ground up examination of their policies the inspection of letting regard.

But how many places are such because there is a legal issue that they cannot check? Not knowing how the law is with this, if a family rents a flat, then sub lets, what powers does a council or landlord have to deal with it?

[Burwood]

None, because proving they pay to live there is virtually impossible.

[BlackLabel]

"A "white, upper-middle class man" should not have been appointed to lead the Grenfell Tower inquiry, a Labour MP has said.

David Lammy suggested Sir Martin Moore-Bick, a retired Court of Appeal judge, had "never" visited a tower block housing estate and urged him to spend a night on the 20th floor of one over the coming days. "


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/n...

[Steve126]

I wonder what David Lammy would say if someone suggested he wasn't the right person to do his job and his skin colour was given as one of the reasons.

Lammy is a stupid racist and we shouldn't tolerate these double standards.

[Laurel Green]

Steve126 said:

I wonder what David Lammy would say if someone suggested he wasn't the right person to do his job and his skin colour was given as one of the reasons.

Lammy is a stupid racist and we shouldn't tolerate these double standards.

Absolutely! I really hope Lammy is brought to book over this.

[andymadmak]

BlackLabel said:

"A "white, upper-middle class man" should not have been appointed to lead the Grenfell Tower inquiry, a Labour MP has said.

David Lammy suggested Sir Martin Moore-Bick, a retired Court of Appeal judge, had "never" visited a tower block housing estate and urged him to spend a night on the 20th floor of one over the coming days. "


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/n...

What Mr Lammy has said here is clearly racist, probably inflammatory, and certainly is intended to undermine confidence in the judge led inquiry before it has even started.

Clearly Mr Lammy thinks that making enough noise on this issue will divert the public attention away from the appalling scandal (as I see it) of his tax payer funded second home in London (apparently 35 minutes by public transport is too far for the poor dear to commute)

[Burwood]

Laurel Green said:

Steve126 said:

I wonder what David Lammy would say if someone suggested he wasn't the right person to do his job and his skin colour was given as one of the reasons.

Lammy is a stupid racist and we shouldn't tolerate these double standards.

Absolutely! I really hope Lammy is brought to book over this.

If you listen to what he said he actually states that everyone involved are the wrong 'types'. The contractors and council officials all look like this judge. It's a shame we couldn't get a woman or ethnic minority to lead the enquiry, Lammy said. I don't often use the race word but he is a blatant racist. And we already know, no matter what the findings, it will be a whitewash as far as Labour are concerned.

[gooner1]

[quote=BlackLabel]"A "white, upper-middle class man" should not have been appointed to lead the Grenfell Tower inquiry, a Labour MP has said.

David Lammy suggested Sir Martin Moore-Bick, a retired Court of Appeal judge, had "never" visited a tower block housing estate and urged him to spend a night on the 20th floor of one over the coming days. "


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/n...

Why does the quote above " a white,upper -middle class man" end there, and the rest of the sentence carries on without the inverted comma's? And where in the audi clip does Lammy say what he is supposedly quoted as saying?

I'm no fan of Lammy's, to me he is Labours version of Boris, both capable of shooting themselves in both feet with one bullet.

[PZR]

Lammy also says the judge needs to be "empathatic" (sic).

Idiot.

[The Surveyor]

gooner1 said:

BlackLabel said:

"A "white, upper-middle class man" should not have been appointed to lead the Grenfell Tower inquiry, a Labour MP has said.

David Lammy suggested Sir Martin Moore-Bick, a retired Court of Appeal judge, had "never" visited a tower block housing estate and urged him to spend a night on the 20th floor of one over the coming days. "


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/n...

Why does the quote above " a white,upper -middle class man" end there, and the rest of the sentence carries on without the inverted comma's? And where in the audi clip does Lammy say what he is supposedly quoted as saying?

I'm no fan of Lammy's, to me he is Labours version of Boris, both capable of shooting themselves in both feet with one bullet.

Just see his comments and sentiment for what it is, a deliberate attempt to undermine the enquiry for his own political gain.

It's too easy for Mr Lammy to dismiss anybody put forward, much harder to actually put his reputation on the line and put forward a qualified person who he would accept. If he had any regard for the process he would have proposed somebody who did fit his criteria for the role.

What is Shami Chakrabarti doing these days....

[gooner1]

The Surveyor said:

Just see his comments and sentiment for what it is, a deliberate attempt to undermine the enquiry for his own political gain.

It's too easy for Mr Lammy to dismiss anybody put forward, much harder to actually put his reputation on the line and put forward a qualified person who he would accept. If he had any regard for the process he would have proposed somebody who did fit his criteria for the role.

What is Shami Chakrabarti doing these days....

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Then the paper concerned should attack Lammy for all of the above, not invent bullst, it's not like there isn't any ammunition available.
As for Shami Chakrabarti, no idea, how about IDS, that well loved man of the people and a chap fully conversant in subsidised rental and surviiving on a limited income..

[The Surveyor]

gooner1 said:

The Surveyor said:

Just see his comments and sentiment for what it is, a deliberate attempt to undermine the enquiry for his own political gain.

It's too easy for Mr Lammy to dismiss anybody put forward, much harder to actually put his reputation on the line and put forward a qualified person who he would accept. If he had any regard for the process he would have proposed somebody who did fit his criteria for the role.

What is Shami Chakrabarti doing these days....

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Then the paper concerned should attack Lammy for all of the above, not invent bullst, it's not like there isn't any ammunition available.
As for Shami Chakrabarti, no idea, how about IDS, that well loved man of the people and a chap fully conversant in subsidised rental and surviiving on a limited income..

What bit did they invent?

The suggestion of Chakrabarti was a joke.

[Murph7355]

gooner1 said:

I'm no fan of Lammy's, to me he is Labours version of Boris, both capable of shooting themselves in both feet with one bullet.

He isn't even close to being in the same league as Boris.

Lammy is a vile individual who pushes these sorts of comments out all the time. The worst kind of racist (learnt from Abbott and takes it to a new level).

He does more to spread division and undermining the law in this country than anyone. He should learn when to STFU. It'd also be nice to think his expenses bullst would be aired and that his constituents would take him to task over it. Complete wker.

The Surveyor said:

What is Shami Chakrabarti doing these days....

I think you and gooner1 may have your quoting mixed up

Shami's basically busy eating pies and realising that the closer to the pointy end you get, actually implementing policy in the real world is quite tough. She wouldn't touch this with a barge pole these days.