Huge Fire In Block Of Flats
Discussion
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I think the message from this video is:
"I want something spacious because my son has ADHD"
plus
"We must be treated as if we are beyond criticism because something horrible happened to us"
I will confess that I am struggling with this line of thinking.
I think the message from this video is:
"I want something spacious because my son has ADHD"
plus
"We must be treated as if we are beyond criticism because something horrible happened to us"
I will confess that I am struggling with this line of thinking.
Actually I thought that she was quite reasonable and made her points in a quite considered manner.
Assuming that as she has "worked all my life" and was therefore paying rent on the apartment, then I tend to agree with her.
Apparently these apartments were quite spacious had obviously just been refurbished and so fitted her needs well.
I can see why she doesn't want to settle for less than she previously had.
I wouldn't want to live in that block but can appreciate the sense of community that exists there.
There clearly are others that are trying to exploit the situation however but I didn't get the feeling on viewing the clip that she was one of them.
Assuming that as she has "worked all my life" and was therefore paying rent on the apartment, then I tend to agree with her.
Apparently these apartments were quite spacious had obviously just been refurbished and so fitted her needs well.
I can see why she doesn't want to settle for less than she previously had.
I wouldn't want to live in that block but can appreciate the sense of community that exists there.
There clearly are others that are trying to exploit the situation however but I didn't get the feeling on viewing the clip that she was one of them.
langtounlad said:
Actually I thought that she was quite reasonable and made her points in a quite considered manner.
Assuming that as she has "worked all my life" and was therefore paying rent on the apartment, then I tend to agree with her.
Apparently these apartments were quite spacious had obviously just been refurbished and so fitted her needs well.
I can see why she doesn't want to settle for less than she previously had.
I wouldn't want to live in that block but can appreciate the sense of community that exists there.
There clearly are others that are trying to exploit the situation however but I didn't get the feeling on viewing the clip that she was one of them.
and it couldn't possibly be untrue. Second, a state house or state assistance is not a house for life.Assuming that as she has "worked all my life" and was therefore paying rent on the apartment, then I tend to agree with her.
Apparently these apartments were quite spacious had obviously just been refurbished and so fitted her needs well.
I can see why she doesn't want to settle for less than she previously had.
I wouldn't want to live in that block but can appreciate the sense of community that exists there.
There clearly are others that are trying to exploit the situation however but I didn't get the feeling on viewing the clip that she was one of them.
langtounlad said:
Actually I thought that she was quite reasonable and made her points in a quite considered manner.
Assuming that as she has "worked all my life" and was therefore paying rent on the apartment, then I tend to agree with her.
Apparently these apartments were quite spacious had obviously just been refurbished and so fitted her needs well.
I can see why she doesn't want to settle for less than she previously had.
I wouldn't want to live in that block but can appreciate the sense of community that exists there.
There clearly are others that are trying to exploit the situation however but I didn't get the feeling on viewing the clip that she was one of them.
Ok, she came up with a good reason, to do with the kid she's looking after and his special needs requiring he be near the same doctor and playground etc. But that's just one, what reasons have the rest of them got to be so picky, or have they all got an ADHD kid hanging out with them?Assuming that as she has "worked all my life" and was therefore paying rent on the apartment, then I tend to agree with her.
Apparently these apartments were quite spacious had obviously just been refurbished and so fitted her needs well.
I can see why she doesn't want to settle for less than she previously had.
I wouldn't want to live in that block but can appreciate the sense of community that exists there.
There clearly are others that are trying to exploit the situation however but I didn't get the feeling on viewing the clip that she was one of them.
we don't know the facts. It's a tragic fire. She survived and is having every material possession replaced FOC and some by the sounds of it. Why is she entitled to so much more than anyone else who owns or rents, who's house/flat burnt to the ground.
Older buildings have larger flats. Hey, even in early 2000's a 3 bed flat in Canary Wharf meant 1500Sq ft. Now it would be 1,100.
Social tenants do not get to tell the state the size of their dwelling. If it's deemed acceptable as a 2 bed then thats it. If she has special needs, there will be a process. Bleating to the media is everyones right of course and is the new way of complaining.
Older buildings have larger flats. Hey, even in early 2000's a 3 bed flat in Canary Wharf meant 1500Sq ft. Now it would be 1,100.
Social tenants do not get to tell the state the size of their dwelling. If it's deemed acceptable as a 2 bed then thats it. If she has special needs, there will be a process. Bleating to the media is everyones right of course and is the new way of complaining.
Edited by Burwood on Wednesday 19th July 18:12
kev1974 said:
langtounlad said:
Actually I thought that she was quite reasonable and made her points in a quite considered manner.
Assuming that as she has "worked all my life" and was therefore paying rent on the apartment, then I tend to agree with her.
Apparently these apartments were quite spacious had obviously just been refurbished and so fitted her needs well.
I can see why she doesn't want to settle for less than she previously had.
I wouldn't want to live in that block but can appreciate the sense of community that exists there.
There clearly are others that are trying to exploit the situation however but I didn't get the feeling on viewing the clip that she was one of them.
Ok, she came up with a good reason, to do with the kid she's looking after and his special needs requiring he be near the same doctor and playground etc. But that's just one, what reasons have the rest of them got to be so picky, or have they all got an ADHD kid hanging out with them?Assuming that as she has "worked all my life" and was therefore paying rent on the apartment, then I tend to agree with her.
Apparently these apartments were quite spacious had obviously just been refurbished and so fitted her needs well.
I can see why she doesn't want to settle for less than she previously had.
I wouldn't want to live in that block but can appreciate the sense of community that exists there.
There clearly are others that are trying to exploit the situation however but I didn't get the feeling on viewing the clip that she was one of them.
Burwood said:
we don't know the facts. It's a tragic fire. She survived and is having every material possession replaced FOC and some by the sounds of it. Why is she entitled to so much more than anyone else who owns or rents, who's house/flat burnt to the ground.
Older buildings have larger flats. Hey, even in early 2000's a 3 bed flat in Canary Wharf meant 1500Sq ft. Now it would be 1,100.
Social tenants do not get to tell the state the size of their dwelling. If it's deemed acceptable as a 2 bed then thats it. If she has special needs, there will be a process. Bleating to the media is everyones right of course and is the new way of complaining.
I'm still waiting for any news outlet to show details of the rejected housing offered to any of the residents. Don't really understand why none have done so..Older buildings have larger flats. Hey, even in early 2000's a 3 bed flat in Canary Wharf meant 1500Sq ft. Now it would be 1,100.
Social tenants do not get to tell the state the size of their dwelling. If it's deemed acceptable as a 2 bed then thats it. If she has special needs, there will be a process. Bleating to the media is everyones right of course and is the new way of complaining.
Edited by Burwood on Wednesday 19th July 18:12
I'm sure the Express/Sun/Mail would love to feature a spacious flat rejected by someone or the Guardian/Mirror showing a tiny box room in the back of beyond.
If you know the area (as I do having worked for a local charitable trust) what's panning out now is not a surprise.
Contrary to what's portrayed by some (Corbinistas) the people that live in this area are not down trodden serfs being pushed around by the upper class toffs in the south of the borough.
Nor are the residents living in squalor. Far , far from it.
One of the most notable things about the estates of North Kensington is that it is a true community, the people actually want to be there. If you offered them a penthouse 3 miles south on Chelsea Harbour they would not be interested.
They ( and I know I can't speak for all) want to be in that exact area, on that land. It's almost like a closed society, in the Summer people would hang out on the streets talking, there is a neighbourhood spirit, people will walk to work ( if they work) the flats are spacious, in good condition. It has great transport links if they want to go further afield.
There is very little crime there (contrary to popular belief) the area IS NOT A POOR AREA.
It's an area they want to be in and will want to return to.
North Kensington has always had some very, very reactionary political types living there, in many ways they actually hold sway over what goes on, the carnival will be interesting as that's an event which has not sat comfortably with many in RBKC for years.
There's a bit of a media blackout on it at the moment but it's a bit of an elephant in the room I think.
As for the lady on the link above. Hmmm ADHD? I used to have that, was cured by my teacher giving me a thick ear.
Contrary to what's portrayed by some (Corbinistas) the people that live in this area are not down trodden serfs being pushed around by the upper class toffs in the south of the borough.
Nor are the residents living in squalor. Far , far from it.
One of the most notable things about the estates of North Kensington is that it is a true community, the people actually want to be there. If you offered them a penthouse 3 miles south on Chelsea Harbour they would not be interested.
They ( and I know I can't speak for all) want to be in that exact area, on that land. It's almost like a closed society, in the Summer people would hang out on the streets talking, there is a neighbourhood spirit, people will walk to work ( if they work) the flats are spacious, in good condition. It has great transport links if they want to go further afield.
There is very little crime there (contrary to popular belief) the area IS NOT A POOR AREA.
It's an area they want to be in and will want to return to.
North Kensington has always had some very, very reactionary political types living there, in many ways they actually hold sway over what goes on, the carnival will be interesting as that's an event which has not sat comfortably with many in RBKC for years.
There's a bit of a media blackout on it at the moment but it's a bit of an elephant in the room I think.
As for the lady on the link above. Hmmm ADHD? I used to have that, was cured by my teacher giving me a thick ear.
rscott said:
Burwood said:
we don't know the facts. It's a tragic fire. She survived and is having every material possession replaced FOC and some by the sounds of it. Why is she entitled to so much more than anyone else who owns or rents, who's house/flat burnt to the ground.
Older buildings have larger flats. Hey, even in early 2000's a 3 bed flat in Canary Wharf meant 1500Sq ft. Now it would be 1,100.
Social tenants do not get to tell the state the size of their dwelling. If it's deemed acceptable as a 2 bed then thats it. If she has special needs, there will be a process. Bleating to the media is everyones right of course and is the new way of complaining.
I'm still waiting for any news outlet to show details of the rejected housing offered to any of the residents. Don't really understand why none have done so..Older buildings have larger flats. Hey, even in early 2000's a 3 bed flat in Canary Wharf meant 1500Sq ft. Now it would be 1,100.
Social tenants do not get to tell the state the size of their dwelling. If it's deemed acceptable as a 2 bed then thats it. If she has special needs, there will be a process. Bleating to the media is everyones right of course and is the new way of complaining.
Edited by Burwood on Wednesday 19th July 18:12
I'm sure the Express/Sun/Mail would love to feature a spacious flat rejected by someone or the Guardian/Mirror showing a tiny box room in the back of beyond.
Thankyou4calling said:
The area was physically divided in ( I think ) 1970 as the A40 Westway was built.
This heralded the start of the real politicisation of the borough, the North v South situation which continues to this day.
Sorry, and I mean this politely, but that's nonsense.This heralded the start of the real politicisation of the borough, the North v South situation which continues to this day.
My grandparents settled there after they did their bit in WWII. My Dad was born, lived and went to school there. I lived, went to school, there. Doesn't/didn't matter from what end of Ladbroke Grove you lived on, as a kid we mixed across classes.
Westway is just a brutalist reality hit, and speaking to my old man about this the other day (as he was alive then and I wasn't), he certainly doesn't think it laid any significant marker on the how the politics demarcated in the region.
Don't forget to the direct east of Latimer is a railway line. That performs a greater separation of property types, neighbourhoods etc.
No, the deeper changes occurred in the mid-90s onwards, as gentrification really took hold. Partly as the investment banking boom flourished post de-regulation and the investment banks in the city became far more global, you had the likes of French M&A guys looking for nice big family homes in a leafy part of west london where they could jump in a taxi or hit the tube and they'd be in the City (or the burgeoning Canary Wharf as Credit Suisse and others started the move east) and at their desk nice and early.
The area had horrible race riots in 1958. Awful. And it took decades for many in the area to forget and move on from. But it did. And no wonder Richard Curtis made a crap film riding the wave,
Quick anecdote on house prices. My schoolmate and his family lived on Blenheim Crescent. One day my dad told me to go over there and help the family out; they were selling up, moving out and had skimped on getting Pickfords in. So me and a couple of other mates were lifting boxes all day. Anyway, I got to ask my mates Dad if he knew who was buying it. He said yes. A chap by the name of Brian Eno.
And at the time for 440k, Eno had ended up with a three-storey townhouse with five bedrooms. Same house was back on the market last year for £5.8m....
Gentrification played a bigger part in redefining the Borough than anything else. Soon you had the council house pockets - where we lived for our sins - surrounded by multimillion pound townhouses stuffed full of French M&A guys.
saaby93 said:
If the shell is still strong and it was allegedly fireproof, if someone got their act together, how long to clean the place up and make it habitable again, if thats what the residents want?
What you say is common sense, fact etc. But can you imagine the politics. It would be easier and cheaper in the long run to level itBurwood said:
Social tenants do not get to tell the state the size of their dwelling. If it's deemed acceptable as a 2 bed then thats it. If she has special needs, there will be a process. Bleating to the media is everyones right of course and is the new way of complaining.
lEdited by Burwood on Wednesday 19th July 18:12
Strange then that the tenants allegedly decided the decision as to whether a Sprinkler
system should be installed or not
As to bleating, you've demonstrated your mastery of that" new way of complaining" more than adequately.
Burwood said:
I see the new council head has already been called a murderer by a Grenfell resident. That's the one who started this week.
Lol yes notice that. One point they were true about is "we didn't vote you in". Well yes that's right we've sacked the old council for the claims you've made.
Burwood said:
saaby93 said:
If the shell is still strong and it was allegedly fireproof, if someone got their act together, how long to clean the place up and make it habitable again, if thats what the residents want?
What you say is common sense, fact etc. But can you imagine the politics. It would be easier and cheaper in the long run to level itThey could occupy the first ten floors with people that really dont want to go anywhere else, then refurb te rest of it
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