Huge Fire In Block Of Flats

[anonymous-user]

Its not sensible to compare war time and peace time events. In war the enemy is actively trying to kill you, many more people will die and that in itself in not an unexpected situation.

[kev1974]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/four-tower-...

Tower blocks that have been fine for 47 years now need to have their gas supply turned off?

[Ayahuasca]

What happened to the bloke whose dodgy fridge caused the fire in the first place? Last I heard he was seen with a packed suitcase on the landing, having knocked on the door of a neighbour telling them they had better leave.

Any more since then?

[BlackLabel]

Ayahuasca said:

What happened to the bloke whose dodgy fridge caused the fire in the first place? Last I heard he was seen with a packed suitcase on the landing, having knocked on the door of a neighbour telling them they had better leave.

Any more since then?

His name was Behailu Kebede - no news of him since June 15th.

[Europa1]

It was rather depressing hearing the Today programme this morning reporting that "campaigners" have stated that the various charities are not paying out the £18,000,000 raised quickly enough, as though receipt of charity is a right.

[Dazed and Confused]

I'd have thought the people who donated the money would want it go to those who need it as quickly as possible.

Why the delay?

[TroubledSoul]

Dazed and Confused said:

I'd have thought the people who donated the money would want it go to those who need it as quickly as possible.

Why the delay?

Verifying those with their hands out are actually entitled to a pay out? People still not coming forward regarding subletting yet moaning about not getting anything? Logistical issues?

[Trevatanus]

Hot of the press from someone who works at LFB.
Posted last night:

Posted 9 hours ago
In light of more high rise building failures, LFB have this evening upped the PDA to Multiple calls for high rise to 8 pumps and an aerial and if cladding is involved 10 pumps and an aerial

[Engineer792]

kev1974 said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/four-tower-...

Tower blocks that have been fine for 47 years now need to have their gas supply turned off?

Did you actually read the article beyond the first few sentences?

[Jonesy23]

It's taken them a while to notice a post-Ronan Point structural update never happened. It's not like it would have been a small job you could just overlook?

That's assuming it really didn't happen. It could just have been done incorrectly.

[Europa1]

TroubledSoul said:

Dazed and Confused said:

I'd have thought the people who donated the money would want it go to those who need it as quickly as possible.

Why the delay?

Verifying those with their hands out are actually entitled to a pay out? People still not coming forward regarding subletting yet moaning about not getting anything? Logistical issues?

Some of it is logistical, and is a function of social media: the multiplicity of funds - anyone can see a tragedy on their news feed, set up a page on a charity donation site, and bombard their social media contacts to donate. This has led to the unusual step of the Charity Commission stepping in to try and coordinate distribution of the funds.

[pc.iow]

Europa1 said:

TroubledSoul said:

Dazed and Confused said:

I'd have thought the people who donated the money would want it go to those who need it as quickly as possible.

Why the delay?

Verifying those with their hands out are actually entitled to a pay out? People still not coming forward regarding subletting yet moaning about not getting anything? Logistical issues?

Some of it is logistical, and is a function of social media: the multiplicity of funds - anyone can see a tragedy on their news feed, set up a page on a charity donation site, and bombard their social media contacts to donate. This has led to the unusual step of the Charity Commission stepping in to try and coordinate distribution of the funds.

That, and taking their 'running costs' out first before sharing out the profit?

[Europa1]

pc.iow said:

That, and taking their 'running costs' out first before sharing out the profit?

Why have you put running costs in inverted commas?

[johnfm]

Dazed and Confused said:

I'd have thought the people who donated the money would want it go to those who need it as quickly as possible.

Why the delay?

15% of it has been paid out. That's roughly £2.8m.

How many surviving residents are there?

There were 129 households. Around 103 households made it out. So they've had £28k each on average. Sounds about right.

Do people expect the £19m to just be divided between the surviving households?

[OzzyR1]

johnfm said:

15% of it has been paid out. That's roughly £2.8m.

How many surviving residents are there?

There were 129 households. Around 103 households made it out. So they've had £28k each on average. Sounds about right.

Do people expect the £19m to just be divided between the surviving households?

Does anyone who know who is holding and distributing all this money that has been donated? Are there records of public donations and where it is going?

Perhaps I am being cynical but I can see a large proportion of this disappearing into the ether.

[Europa1]

OzzyR1 said:

Does anyone who know who is holding and distributing all this money that has been donated? Are there records of public donations and where it is going?

Perhaps I am being cynical but I can see a large proportion of this disappearing into the ether.

3 main funds, and the Charity Commission is involved to oversee coordination and distribution.

[Blue Oval84]

kev1974 said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/four-tower-...

Tower blocks that have been fine for 47 years now need to have their gas supply turned off?

People drive about on bald tyres every day, and can make many journeys without incident. Despite that, I would still stop using my car immediately if I discovered my tyres were bald.

I certainly wouldn't be happy living in a block that wasn't stong enough to survive a gas blast. Only this morning a house that has stood without incident for C. 60 years in my hometown has been blown sky high...

http://news.sky.com/story/sunderland-house-destroy...

[spaximus]

Blue Oval84 said:

People drive about on bald tyres every day, and can make many journeys without incident. Despite that, I would still stop using my car immediately if I discovered my tyres were bald.

I certainly wouldn't be happy living in a block that wasn't stong enough to survive a gas blast. Only this morning a house that has stood without incident for C. 60 years in my hometown has been blown sky high...

http://news.sky.com/story/sunderland-house-destroy...

Any building will take a big hit with a gas explosion but my feelings are that every council and councillor is now so afraid of any sort of incident that they are knee jerk reacting all over the place.

What will the end be, no more high rise for social housing, if so where will they all go? There is already a massive shortage so adding to it for an incident so unlikely now.

As for the residents and the money, listening to radio 2 the guy who owns Reed recruitment launched an appeal and raised £2million. Already they have given £20k for every family who has lost a member. They have ear marked £10k per family to buy furniture etc. when they get a suitable home on top of the £5k government has paid out. And the money is still coming in from all the donations of toys and clothes being sold through the charity shops.

On top of that there has been offers of free holidays in Cornwall and Devon some for firefighters as well. Someone asked do the residents think they that they are going to get the £18million shared out to them, in short yes they do and I cannot see how they would dare do anything else with it. Can you imagine if any of the money was used for any other project?

The residents went through a lot on that night, life changing for many, but if all the money is given to them, there will be a lot who end up richer than they could ever have dreamt of ever having. Also if there is negligence proved or criminality, then who knows what the awards will be.

They will need help to use this money wisely otherwise some will lose it overnight.

[Collectingbrass]

spaximus said:

Blue Oval84 said:

People drive about on bald tyres every day, and can make many journeys without incident. Despite that, I would still stop using my car immediately if I discovered my tyres were bald.

I certainly wouldn't be happy living in a block that wasn't stong enough to survive a gas blast. Only this morning a house that has stood without incident for C. 60 years in my hometown has been blown sky high...

http://news.sky.com/story/sunderland-house-destroy...

Any building will take a big hit with a gas explosion but my feelings are that every council and councillor is now so afraid of any sort of incident that they are knee jerk reacting all over the place.

What will the end be, no more high rise for social housing, if so where will they all go? There is already a massive shortage so adding to it for an incident so unlikely now.

The trouble with gas in high rise blocks comes from Ronan Point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_Point Blocks built at the time were supposed to be strengthened to prevent the progressive collapse seen at Ronan Point but Southwark council can't evidence that it was done on the towers at Peckham.

We can make any multiple occupancy building "safe" from fire, people just don't want to live in a steel box, look at one or pay for the extra cost.

[V8 Fettler]

Collectingbrass said:

spaximus said:

Blue Oval84 said:

People drive about on bald tyres every day, and can make many journeys without incident. Despite that, I would still stop using my car immediately if I discovered my tyres were bald.

I certainly wouldn't be happy living in a block that wasn't stong enough to survive a gas blast. Only this morning a house that has stood without incident for C. 60 years in my hometown has been blown sky high...

http://news.sky.com/story/sunderland-house-destroy...

Any building will take a big hit with a gas explosion but my feelings are that every council and councillor is now so afraid of any sort of incident that they are knee jerk reacting all over the place.

What will the end be, no more high rise for social housing, if so where will they all go? There is already a massive shortage so adding to it for an incident so unlikely now.

The trouble with gas in high rise blocks comes from Ronan Point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_Point Blocks built at the time were supposed to be strengthened to prevent the progressive collapse seen at Ronan Point but Southwark council can't evidence that it was done on the towers at Peckham.

We can make any multiple occupancy building "safe" from fire, people just don't want to live in a steel box, look at one or pay for the extra cost.

Concrete, Barbican being a fine example