Finsbury Park

[SidJames]

schmunk said:

iphonedyou said:

SystemParanoia said:

haven't seen or heard anything this morning that suggests the driver was white??

[Jazzy Jag]

SidJames said:

schmunk said:

iphonedyou said:

SystemParanoia said:

haven't seen or heard anything this morning that suggests the driver was white??

Or the ethnicity of the police officer.

Edited by Jazzy Jag on Monday 19th June 08:18

[Ian Geary]

SidJames said:

schmunk said:

iphonedyou said:

SystemParanoia said:

haven't seen or heard anything this morning that suggests the driver was white??

Indeed. Or that the police were white?

However, I should know by now to ignore the drivel that is posted on here, purely for the sake of an argument it seems.

Not the right place at all.

[Trevatanus]

Pothole said:

ukaskew said:

unrepentant said:

Sounds like a terrorist attack. Just because it's a white lunatic and the victims are Muslim doesn't make it less of a terrorist incident.

The Borough Market terrorist attack was a 'serious incident' for many hours at first so I'm not sure why people on social media are jumping on the wording of this incident in particular. The reporting is no different at this stage.

The whole attitude confuses me. Some vociferous young sounding male on the news coverage just now was shouting about it, the angle seeming to be (and this is not a quote) when non-white and/or Muslim people are involved it's a "terrorist" attack and now the offender(s) are white it's not. It's almost like the people complaining are identifying with the ethnicity and/or religion of the terrorists responsible for Manchester and London Bridge which is probably not really how they want to sound, is it? I think I understand where they're coming from but I think Grenfell Tower and the surrounding hysteria has somehow legitimised the demanding of instant updates and PR/media updates from the emergency services. Were this to happen I reckon it would ultimately be self defeating anyway. There's clearly no point in releasing information until said services are pretty sure it's reasonably accurate. I tend to agree with the designation being irrelevant, too. "Serious Incident" is a police designation used to indicate that an incident should be dealt with in a particular fashion, following a specific process with a specific chain of command needing to be established and a specific plan to be followed.

You're right about Borough Market/London Bridge. Manchester was also initially declared a "serious incident" as this Reuters link apparently confirms: Link

This is the problem with the "information society", there is such a rush to get the information out there, before it's fully analysed or considered. Sky News interviewing a man, not sure if he's an "expert" or Police, although I suspect the former. He's talking about terrorist attacks and the fact the security services also monitor far rights groups

[The Mad Monk]

OpulentBob said:

The Mad Monk said:

If anybody is at the scene, would you please ask the people videoing it on their phones to hold the phone in landscape mode - not portrait.

I am absolutely fed up with trying to watch an ongoing event in portrait when my telly is set to landscape.

Thank you.

Quoted for bellendery.

Yes, I suppose you would have trouble with irony.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Greg66 said:

BBC now reporting:

"An eyewitness called Abdul told the BBC he saw a man come out the van "and then he was shouting 'where are all the Muslims? I wanna kill all Muslims.' Literally he said that"."

There was a guy screaming at the BBC reporter earlier "white terrorist white terrorist white terrorist".

Seems more like a hate crime to me.

[fido]

SydneyBridge said:

Am I the only one who woke up and thought "another attack" but wasn't shocked or surprised any more.
Not good.

Nope - well only a tad surprised if it's a counter-attack to the recent attacks - though it was inevitable I suppose. I'm already waiting for the Facebook adornments from the sheeple.

[bitchstewie]

Some stupid woman on LBC now going down the route of "Oh but there's been stuff going on there for years".

[Halb]

The Mad Monk said:

Yes, I suppose you would have trouble with irony.

It's a joke, but it's not irony.

SidJames said:

haven't seen or heard anything this morning that suggests the driver was white??

Flicked the Beeb on first thing, and the first thing the reporter said, was a white man in a white van has done x-y-z. Which I thought was a lil weird to comment on the colour of the attacker.

[saaby93]

The Mad Monk said:

If anybody is at the scene, would you please ask the people videoing it on their phones to hold the phone in landscape mode - not portrait.

I am absolutely fed up with trying to watch an ongoing event in portrait when my telly is set to landscape.

Thank you.

Or you could turn your tv on its side

Typical brit humour in adversity

[Driver101]

SystemParanoia said:

gooner1 said:

SystemParanoia said:

Why was he not shot ?

why has he be taken to a plush hospital instead of a cell ?

nice to see how they treat the privileged

Could it be that the attende's of the Mosque had already made a citizens arrest.
Or are you asking why the worship ers did'nt shot him?

the police had an opportunity and did not take it, guess they're not used to targets that look like them

In one thread you're lambasting the police for showing a little aggression and using a swear word in a situation, now you're doing the same for not shooting a guy.

Very contradicting.

Hopefully the moderators will ban you from this thread like the Grenfell tower thread. You really are a grade A clown.

[anonymous-user]

The Mad Monk said:

OpulentBob said:

The Mad Monk said:

If anybody is at the scene, would you please ask the people videoing it on their phones to hold the phone in landscape mode - not portrait.

I am absolutely fed up with trying to watch an ongoing event in portrait when my telly is set to landscape.

Thank you.

Quoted for bellendery.

Yes, I suppose you would have trouble with irony.

Please point out the irony in your post to an obvious thicko like me.

[berlintaxi]

PurpleMoonlight said:

There was a guy screaming at the BBC reporter earlier "white terrorist white terrorist white terrorist".

Seems more like a hate crime to me.

So when does a hate crime become a terrorist attack?

[p1stonhead]

berlintaxi said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

There was a guy screaming at the BBC reporter earlier "white terrorist white terrorist white terrorist".

Seems more like a hate crime to me.

So when does a hate crime become a terrorist attack?

Im guessing targetting a certain group specifically rather than at random like this was? Would be interesting to know if there was an official definition.

[bitchstewie]

p1stonhead said:

Im guessing targetting a certain group specifically rather than at random like this was? Would be interesting to know if there was an official definition.

Driving into a bunch of people leaving a mosque is random?

Must admit when I heard Police were treating it as a terror incident I did find myself trying to define the line at which it goes from being an angry/deranged nutter to a "terrorist" attack and I'm genuinely unsure.

[OzzyR1]

Cobnapint said:

Whatever the prick in the van is, he's only going to increase the likelihood of more Jihadi attacks in Britain.

And is the 22nd on Thursday.

What has the 22nd got to do with anything? Genuine question, I can't think of a link.

[p1stonhead]

bhstewie said:

p1stonhead said:

Im guessing targetting a certain group specifically like this was rather than at random? Would be interesting to know if there was an official definition.

Driving into a bunch of people leaving a mosque is random?

Must admit when I heard Police were treating it as a terror incident I did find myself trying to define the line at which it goes from being an angry/deranged nutter to a "terrorist" attack and I'm genuinely unsure.

Badly worded by me.

I meant;
"Im guessing targetting a certain group specifically like this was rather than at random?"

English is annoying

[NEEP]

swerni said:

SystemParanoia said:

Why was he not shot ?

why has he be taken to a plush hospital instead of a cell ?

nice to see how they treat the privileged

You truely are a fking idiot.

You credit him with too much intelligence, you need an IQ of 17 to breath repeatably, SP is 2 points above a fence post

[Oceanic]

berlintaxi said:

So when does a hate crime become a terrorist attack?

It is a terrorist attack, by the very nature of what has happened.

[craigjm]

berlintaxi said:

So when does a hate crime become a terrorist attack?

When it meets the definition set out in the terrorism act....

[quote] (1) In this Act "terrorism" means the use or threat of action where-
(a) the action falls within subsection (2),
(b) the use or threat is designed to influence the government [or an international governmental organisation][2] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and
(c) the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious[, racial][3] or ideological cause.
(2) Action falls within this subsection if it-
(a) involves serious violence against a person,
(b) involves serious damage to property,
(c) endangers a person's life, other than that of the person committing the action,
(d) creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or
(e) is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.
(3) The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied.